Incest between consenting adults...
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Deified Data
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Off-topic, but I'm curious: do you support eugenics?
Not trying to be rude, but if you say "no" you're sort of entering a logical contradiction.
Devolution
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I know you're not but some people seem to be mistaken on why having kids through incest is and has been taboo. And since most societies were sans all the kinds of birth control we have now there was a reason it was taboo.
NO, but i got news for you buddy. Conception between closely related individuals having a heratible disease in a family increases the rate of a child having THAT inheritable disease. I don't see you're point.....
For that reason people having chronic heritable diseases should be encouraged to mate with people outside their family.....
No, not at all, because homosexuals can still donate and accept semen to produce genetically diverse offspring. Society could still grow if everyone were homosexual, as long as we all still reproduced
But it's just a hypothetical, I really don't see many people being inconvenienced by the fact they aren't allowed to fuck their sister.
Also cousin-to-cousin is perfectly acceptable from a biological stand-point, It's only icky for certain cultures and points-of-view. Not even the bible forbids cousin incest really.
No, not at all, because homosexuals can still donate and accept semen to produce genetically diverse offspring. Society could still grow if everyone were homosexual, as long as we all still reproduced
...So can incestuous couples.
Devolution
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No, but I'm all for trying to keep people from being disadvantaged before they're even born, incest raises the stakes significantly. As I mentioned previously other cultures were sans birth control and amniocentesis type tests, hence it being a taboo in the first place. Overlapping genes is not healthy.
Cousincest is legal in most western countries, I can't think of any where it's illegal, in fact.
Deified Data
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I don't see many people being inconvenienced by brothers and sisters fucking in the first place.
Like I said, I have a problem with them having children together. If they're not having them together, then I might look at them weird but I don't have a problem with it.
SirChained
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Conception of people that have inherited a recessive disease are also at an increased rate of bearing children with that disease. Simple genetics.
I suppose we're lucky that we no longer live in times when our rulers were the children of brother-sister couplings.
Sorry, I actually kind of agree with you. Of course if someone flipped a switch and the next generation of offspring was the result of incest, society would already be fucked since you'll only have fucked up genes left.
Pretty much. I don't really care or judge two consenting adults who practice it, but there's simply not enough people out there who really care to un-do it in the name of becoming a more tolerant society, not to mention - you haft to overcome two roadblocks known as science and society, which are both against the act for different reasons.
What about the psychological effects? How does a sexual relationship change the family dynamic? Even if consenting adults are involved, it suggests (IMO) that these individuals are unable to fulfill their sexual needs outside of the family. That, in turn, suggests a host of already existent psychological problems.
Here's a map:
Blue: First-cousin marriage
Light blue: Allowed with requirements or exceptions
Orange: Legality dependent on religion or culture2
Red: Statute bans first-cousin marriage
Pink: Banned with exceptions
Maroon: Criminal offense
Grey: No data
ElectricBlue187
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if they are having incestual relationships they probably don't have a strong family dynamic to begin with.
dacuk
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GAF also has pedo- and rape-defenses forces, so...
So that's why they should not marry within their family...............simple genetics.
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DeathbyVolcano
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This is amazing. It'd be even better if the background was the same color as Gaf's color, like that Coming to America gif
Deified Data
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That's not necessarily the implication, here. Say a brother and sister (or sister and sister, or brother and brother) just so happen to fulfill one another's perception of a perfect mate. They're not compelled to seek a relationship within the family (though some are), so much as they're compelled to be with this one person. I.e. you've met your soulmate, but she happens to be your sister.
SirChained
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You're not getting it. Regardless of whether or not they are related, anybody that has an inherited genetic disease is at a higher risk of passing on that disease.
It is POSSIBLE for anyone to be inconvenienced by large amount of brothers and sisters fucking and having children though.
It's because a lot of the arguments leveled at incest were/are also leveled at homosexuality.
Yes, but their chances increase when they marry within their family. So, why should we encourage that? Besides, the other parent has to have the other recessive gene.
Devolution
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People with the same genetics are prone to the same genetic issues, so when they've got the same recessive genes the odds are raised. Some random stranger is still less likely to have those same recessive genetics. You're not getting it.
darkside31337
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Why do you find this disturbing? They were both major societal taboos that people would look down and judge you upon, hell homosexuality used to be illegal by law not that long ago. One is more accepted in society today, the other not so much.
Sickboy007
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What about people with the same inheritable disease (genetic deafness/dwarfism etc) but not part of the same family? Should it be forbidden for them to breed? I really don't see the difference.
And lots of people with disabilities end up with people with the same disabilities, this is not some aburd case study.
Deified Data
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It is POSSIBLE for anyone to be inconvenienced by large amount of brothers and sisters fucking and having children though.
Same for any other sexual behavior. Right?
The common link between incest and homosexuality in this thread is that both are viewed as perverse by some people because they go against established social norms.
SirChained
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Doesn't matter if they are less likely, they are still at a much higher risk than the norm. So by what you're saying, if two non-related people have the same known heritable disease, they should be prohibited from having sex, correct?
Pretty sure this is about legality, not encouragement.
What are the odds of that? Maybe if their from the same geographical area......eg west africa. And again, the most logical way to discourage passing that gene to future generation is restricting marriage within the family. It's not inhuman and than let's say stating that if you live within the same area you cannot marry.
Sickboy007
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Mhmm, very high? Dwarfism for example.
It's not so strange for people with disabilities to have support groups/classes etc with other people with similar disabilities. Sometimes, love happens.
Deified Data
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Apply his logic to a group of people with a disorder who commonly procreate with one another - dwarves. The parents have dwarfism and will probably pass it on to their children. Dwarfism can come with a whole host of other problems that may or may not place limits on the child's life and development. I believe they should be allowed to try for children, regardless. Don't you?
If you want to take that route, replace homosexuality with interracial relationships.
High in the same geographical area as i have said above.
Right, but then you have the argument of whether homosexuality should be treated any differently if it actually was a "choice."
The problem with incest, as mentioned in the OP, is that there really isn't any good argument against it while at the same time banning it doesn't really inconvenience many people.
Umm how exactly is interracial relationships any way similar to what that guy was talking about? :/
The difference between the two is one is just a societal taboo, there's nothing in science that supports homosexuality being detrimental to society and the gene pool, on the other hand history and science supports that incest is in fact detrimental to societies.>:
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