bigboss370
Member
niiice. I think allowing self publishing is a brilliant idea, and would be great for cheap psn titles, and develops who publish on smart phones.
http://gamer.blorge.com/2013/02/23/...publish-how-the-witness-became-ps4-exclusive/
Indie devs flock to PS4 to self-publish, how The Witness became PS4 exclusive
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niiice. I think allowing self publishing is a brilliant idea, and would be great for cheap psn titles, and develops who publish on smart phones.
http://gamer.blorge.com/2013/02/23/...publish-how-the-witness-became-ps4-exclusive/
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
As far as I can tell this is 4 paragraphs of editorializing about self-publishing, a recap of Blow's description of the Witness from last week, a bunch of quotes from Blow's from last week, and then a quote from a 2 year old interview about how a dashboard update 2 years ago momentarily made XBLIG harder to get at before they reverted that decision and made them easier to get at.
Very happy about self publishing on the PS4. Hopefully it gets a lot more indie games on the platform. Wish Nintendo would do something similar with the hope that we'd be able to play those Indie games on the controller screen via Off-Tv Play.
Is this a question or a statement? It'd be awesome of Nintendo allowed self publishing.
Is this a question or a statement? It'd be awesome of Nintendo allowed self publishing.
This is probably Sony's best move, forget about the RAM bullshit.
One of the major reasons the Xbox 360 has kicked so much ass this generation was because (especially early on) they kept on having all these amazing exclusive, smaller games. The XBLA Summer programs have been absolutely fantastic for the past few years, and I can remember at least two years where I bought all the games advertised.
This could really be Microsoft's biggest mistake if they don't change their ways. The indie scene is really exploding right now, and if Microsoft blows this and doesn't make it a friendlier place like it was early on in the 360's life-cycle, then this could be another front where Sony just mops the floor with them.
EDIT: Ooh, only a timed-exclusive for The Witness? Interesting...
One of the major reasons the Xbox 360 has kicked so much ass this generation was because (especially early on) they kept on having all these amazing exclusive, smaller games. The XBLA Summer programs have been absolutely fantastic for the past few years, and I can remember at least two years where I bought all the games advertised.
This could really be Microsoft's biggest mistake if they don't change their ways. The indie scene is really exploding right now, and if Microsoft blows this and doesn't make it a friendlier place like it was early on in the 360's life-cycle, then this could be another front where Sony just mops the floor with them.
EDIT: Ooh, only a timed-exclusive for The Witness? Interesting...
InsaneZero
Member
But Nintendo does allow self-publishing. They also removed the office requirement and even offer Unity licenses.
darkness_s
Member
They do as far as I know.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
Member
Yeah, not sure what the big deal is here.
Mikey Jr.
Member
Keep reading what you quoted.....
Didn't know that. Cool.
What Nintendo did with Wii U eShop that was not possible with WiiWare
Wii U eShop
- Allowing devs to put DLC and Patches for free
- Didn't put a limit on memory
- Devs don't have to have an office
- Self Publishing
- Unity Licenses
- You don't have to reach a certain amount of sales to get paid
It seems both Nintendo and Sony approved a lot this gen.
Yeah; in fact, all of the Wii U eShop titles are currently self-published, and both Frozenbyte and Double Fine self-published on the Wii U while they had to get a publisher for the other consoles. The Unity support also really helped Nintendo get a lot of indies on board, so I'm happy with Nintendo's stance.
Zoramon089
Banned
Also, I think devs had to reach a certain number of sales before getting paid before
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
How many indies form a flock? The "article" only mentions two.
And is it really "flocking to" a platform as if said platform surpasses others if there's an equal or greater number elsewhere?
I mean, you could say they flock wherever without the negative implications for others but considering the choice MS quotes...
And is it really "flocking to" a platform as if said platform surpasses others if there's an equal or greater number elsewhere?
I mean, you could say they flock wherever without the negative implications for others but considering the choice MS quotes...
Yeah that too.
With this news and the recent gets for psn (Hotline Miami and The Room) I wonder if this will bring in a lot of Indie love now that dudes can easily port stuff they push to steam and other online spots.
Alot of people were kind of down on sony post confrence, but they seem to be gunning for title of actual gaming machine instead of some "jack of all trades, oh and we do games" thing microsoft is rumored to be pulling.
Alot of people were kind of down on sony post confrence, but they seem to be gunning for title of actual gaming machine instead of some "jack of all trades, oh and we do games" thing microsoft is rumored to be pulling.
Yup, that's gone too. Nintendo also allowed indies to set sales/make their own demos (and they last indefinitely now). They also have a nice little shelf on the eShop for visibility purposes.
digoutyoursoul
Member
The Phil Harrison effect kicking in at Microsoft I see
Boss Man
Member
Yeah, this will be on the next Xbox as well.
By the way, I fucking hate timed exclusives and I am getting depressed by the murmurings that they will be more prolific next generation. Exclusives I'm ok with, because at least they enjoy the benefit of being developed on a single platform and give each console some character.
Crimson_Gold
Member
Self-publishing could allow for some truly unique experiences to be available on the platform. I hope this idea is nurtured and that some of the PSN programs for indie developers are expanded this generation.
I don't know why, but I just don't see Microsoft being better to indie revs than the other 2 next gen.
Also, the article is pretty hyperbolic.
PantherAttacks
Member
Maybe this means we'll finally see a release of Bob's Game!
Vire
Member
Are you sure? Because Fez and Journey were both console exclusives and just recently Year Walk for iOS.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Indeed this is the case. Sony is going after the indie hard!
https://twitter.com/nsuttner/status/304389252026871808
Actually it's not. The most popular indie platform, Steam, kinda sucks for indies because it requires approval. Essentially if you don't go Steam then you need to self distribute which increases upfront costs and reduces visibility. iOS is really the indie paradise because you can get people to pay for anything and the approval bar is low.
Dreamwriter
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This really has little to do with PS4. So indies can self-publish cell phone games, yippie! Playstation Mobile, in case you didn't know, is Sony's "virtual platform" that is designed for Android Phones, and games written for it will also work on the Vita. These aren't PS4 games, even if the PS4 can run Playstation Mobile games as well.
It's actually pretty open. Certainly as compared to XBLA at least.
From what I heard, indie devs are really loving both Sony and Nintendo these days.
Great news on the self-publishing front, something you won't ever see from Microsoft, this or any other gen. Allowing indie devs the freedom and opportunity to make a profit from their hard work without jumping through unnecessary hoops is an area where Nintendo has greatly improved over their previous stance, and Sony is wise to follow in their footsteps. Either way, this sort of thing should be applauded.
The PS4/Wii U/PC three-course gaming meal is sounding more appetizing with every morsel of info being fed to us.
The PS4/Wii U/PC three-course gaming meal is sounding more appetizing with every morsel of info being fed to us.
shinobi602
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This is awesome news.
he problem with XBLA is Microsoft vets you based on whether your game is marketable. This is the complete opposite of Sony/Nintendo. Sony/Nintendo is more interested in you as a studio than just one specific game.
So even if you're a talented studio, it doesn't mean shit. If MS rejects you for XBLA, your game has to go on XBLIG where most games go to die.
So even if you're a talented studio, it doesn't mean shit. If MS rejects you for XBLA, your game has to go on XBLIG where most games go to die.
Callibretto
Member
Why do you think there's touchpad on dual Shock 4?
I think that the Witness debuting on the PS4 is more of a statement to indie devs than some console war dickwagging. Braid on XBLA was a seminal moment for indie gaming, and it's a pretty big sign of it's current state when that developer switched ships.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
If Hello Games thought XBLA was a "slaughter house" then why did Joe Danger 2 debut on XBLA and not PSN?
digoutyoursoul
Member
Strange as this sounds, if Indie Games had achievements, sales could pick up
The 360 went though such a big change in regards to indie games. For the first 3 years or so, XBLA was incredible. Everything I wanted from a DD platform. A mixture of new IPs, classic arcade games and loving remakes. I would buy a game a month, at least.
But then MS changed, so then did the platform. The writing was on the wall when MS denied Cave from releasing any more shmups on XBLA, as they weren't the sort of games they wanted. XBLIG was there, but each dash update has pushed the games further from view. Not forgetting that MS have now discontinued XNA.
Now XBLA is all about premier DD games. Minecraft, Trials, Fez etc. All games with enough profile and production values that would sell at retail. Now my XBLA purchases are limited to 1 or 2 games a year. Usually wait until Summer of Arcade, and cherry pick the couple of games that interest me.
Luckily, PSN well and truly took over as the best DD console platform. My only criticism would be the dearth of Vita PSN games, but this is something Sony is actively trying to address. Even Nintendo have upped their game, and are far more indie friendly than MS.
But then MS changed, so then did the platform. The writing was on the wall when MS denied Cave from releasing any more shmups on XBLA, as they weren't the sort of games they wanted. XBLIG was there, but each dash update has pushed the games further from view. Not forgetting that MS have now discontinued XNA.
Now XBLA is all about premier DD games. Minecraft, Trials, Fez etc. All games with enough profile and production values that would sell at retail. Now my XBLA purchases are limited to 1 or 2 games a year. Usually wait until Summer of Arcade, and cherry pick the couple of games that interest me.
Luckily, PSN well and truly took over as the best DD console platform. My only criticism would be the dearth of Vita PSN games, but this is something Sony is actively trying to address. Even Nintendo have upped their game, and are far more indie friendly than MS.
outunderthestars
Banned
Everything I have seen about it makes it sound like it is a huge hassle with too few of slots for games...
I'd say Steam Greenlight is shit. Especially since Gunman Clive and Mutant Mudds are still awaiting to get greenlighted, yet they are on 3DS eShop right now.
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They are definitely not happy about it. Mostly high profile games or ones that have a following of some sort will make it through.
BruiserBear
Banned
They got some kind of financial incentive after Microsoft saw the success Joe Danger had on PSN. So Microsoft offered to publish the original on XBLA, and they got timed exclusivity for the sequel.