WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
1. Cabot - based on everything prior including the x-shot commenter thingy
2. LP - low post count
3. Kalor - low post count
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InFAMOUS [Mafia] [OT] No Good Karma...
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2. LP - low post count
3. Kalor - low post count
You wouldn't even need to extend the definition of "low post count" that much to include OA and yourself in that group. And with some little extention, Sky can join in too. Is there any other reason for LP and Kalor than the number of their posts?
Overall, is low post count enough of a reason to think one is scum or vice versa - does high post count equal towniness? cabot posts a lot but you still think he is scum.
I'd say Zeusy wasnt even really a topic of conversation until brought it up.As with 34 hours left, I am not entirely sure. This day has mostly covered going after Zeusy. Now, suspicion of him has always been there, but I personally don't think that's the right course of action. Of course, I don't have any ideas myself, so...¯_(ツ_/¯...continue with the hunt
I agree with Khan that your list of top 3 scum seems week and over emphasizes post count. I also have no idea how Cabot could be the number 1 scum candidate, surely his push on Swamped netted him something, right? Unless you think he was attacking his own teammate when very few people were interested in her being scum.
A low post count isn't necessarily indicative of anything. Sure it could indicate scum that are trying to blend in but it's unlikely that everyone with a low post count is scum.
What do you think about me vs Zeusy? Or how bout Cabot?
I was scum in Brexit mafia and a hidden partner in one of the Gafia games.
With you and Zeusy, I would probably lean more towards Zeusy. They've felt inconsistent this game which could be a sign of scum trying to adapt and blend in. Cabot I think is probably town.
It's that I think Zeusy is more likely to be scum than Flame.
For people I'd want to lynch today it would probably be between Zeusy and maybe Bronx. I still need to reread some stuff before I vote.
WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
I have ten more posts than they do, that's enough of a distinction for me. And honestly...my reads aren't the best I will admit that. I'm hoping next time I play I will do better. I also thought higher posts would seem more suspicious as well early in the game.
Well does scum-aligned necessarily mean scum or am I not fully understanding?
Zippedpinhead
Member
I have fully Coke around on Waffletaco. I don't think she is scum anymore.
While I disagree on her number 1 scum target, I think she might be onto something there with Kalor and L_P.
Of the two Kalor has jumped back in to post more but L_P is nowhere to be found.
I think flame is playing a dangerous game if he is scum and baiting town on Zuesy, but I think he might be playing an even more dangerous game if he is town. Overall, I'll trust flame today though.
i still town read Blarg, Cabot and *Splinter. Skyodin and Kyanrute are now more neutral.
Did I miss anyone?
While I disagree on her number 1 scum target, I think she might be onto something there with Kalor and L_P.
Of the two Kalor has jumped back in to post more but L_P is nowhere to be found.
I think flame is playing a dangerous game if he is scum and baiting town on Zuesy, but I think he might be playing an even more dangerous game if he is town. Overall, I'll trust flame today though.
i still town read Blarg, Cabot and *Splinter. Skyodin and Kyanrute are now more neutral.
Did I miss anyone?
OceanicAir
Member
My thing with Zeusy is how he defends himself. Unless scum decides to let him float about making dodgy defenses under the guise of newbie town then I just don't feel like this would be how a new scum would play.
It's not entirely impossible that he'd chuck a no-posting member (theG) of his team under the bus, especially if he knew that he could take out an extra person. Carrying it on to Swamped could be seen as being consistent, but I do think that is unlikely as of right now. I just really, really don't like "how can you believe that somebody isn't town!"
And I think there were a couple of people willing to off Swamped, just not before Ri.
OceanicAir
Member
Only waffle being busy and zeusy exclaiming surprise at a scum death is new.
CCS did things to me. What kind of a neutral am I? Where do the additional kills come from?
To summarize my thoughts on Flame_AC, I did list him as possible scum (alongside OceanicAir) on day 1 because I thought both of them were keeping their heads down and drawing attention to themselves. Later we learned that OA runs the gossip chat, which explains that for his part.
Early in the game though, Flame threatened to claim. Now, it is just as likely for a town PR to be trying to avoid undue attention as it is a scum, so I was willing to give Flame_AC some benefit of the doubt that he was a PR. However, on the day after he survived some vote pressure thanks to his threat to claim, I still pressed Flame to answer up to all of the accusations against him.
After that, Flame_AC started to be more active and and I got good vibes from his posts, so he dropped down my list of scum significantly. Until the start of today's day phase when I went back over Swamped's posts. Two main details jumped out at me:
1) That softball question Flame asked Swamped.
2) Their mutual interest in the gossip chat and the fact that they were each targeting one of the newbies involved in it. Swamped was gunning for Waffletaco while Flame_AC has beeen targeting Zeusy.
As for the other people on that old scum list, I scumread Bronxman because of how kept talking about how interesting the votes were and that the acum team had revealed itself during the day 1 vote rush, but he didn't follow that up. It is likely the flip wasn't what he expected, but it seemed to me that a lot of his early posts felt sorta empty of details like that. A show of being town without substance.
I scumread Kalor because he keeps voting without giving an explanation of his reasons. It feels like he is guarding his thought process, and his low post count doesn't help matters.
I was clearly wrong about Ri'Orius.
I generally lean town on Blarg. Since you just searched for my posts that contained his name, you missed a short conversation where I agreed with someone else who was townreading him. He seems different than when he was scum in Pizza mafia. However, his drop in activity lately seems strange.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Neutral read, not neutral role.
Zippedpinhead
Member
Still undecided if there are two town Vig, 1 town 1 neutral vig, or 2 scum teams. I have excluded multiple kill single scum team (because our doctor died night one) and redirecter (because of the same reason where would the multiple kills have gone previous nights)
OceanicAir
Member
Why can't we just have an SK? SK kills AB N1, shoots theSwamped N2, targets cabot N3, targets Swamped again N4. I think even Kyan mentioned this scenario. This just seems needlessly complicated and doesn't even work because Swamped was hit twice unless the other vig had multi shot (might as well be a SK then!) or a strong shot.
You keep mentioning this point about me not giving my reasoning but if you look at my votes I've given reasoning for all of them. Sometimes the vote post itself doesn't have a lot in it but I always mentioned my reasons for suspecting someone at some point prior. The explanation for my first vote on you was weak but it had a reason for it.
I admit that it is an old read of you. I do need to go back over your posts to form a better read.
What has Zeus done to win more trust?
He hasn't, I just don't feel too hot on Flame either.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
I'm still not buying the "cabot suspected Swamped so he's town" argument. He's been under suspicion since D2, so any of his reads will be scrutinized. As an example, look at how Splinter questioned cabot's TheG/Swamped read.
Scum can always bus if they know any random read won't take off. Was there really going to be a Swamped train on D3/4?
This also applies to Zipped, who seems all "I told you so" regarding Swamped.
Scum can always bus if they know any random read won't take off. Was there really going to be a Swamped train on D3/4?
This also applies to Zipped, who seems all "I told you so" regarding Swamped.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Zeusy has avoided every wagon. For someone who voted Zipped last day for his voting pattern, Zeusy has a very deliberate voting pattern himself. Since every lynch except for D2 has been on town (and every wagon has been a confirmed town except for cabot) it's almost like he knows who's town or not.
Kyaaa finds it problematic that you ask this instead of acting independently. We do not have the same information you have in regards to your role - you know what you are and we do not. The onus is on you. By tossing the burden to us, you are tossing away the responsibility that comes with claiming and opening the door for excuses such as "Well I only did what you wanted me to do."
I don't see a problem in seeing what my fellow townies would like me to do. Much like the last time I brought up the possibility of claiming, I'll do so if/when I'm ready, but would like to know what others think (it might sway my opinion one way or the other).
Personally, I'm leaning towards claiming which is why I brought it up, but if someone is strongly against it, I might could be convinced.
See this is what I mean. You take away our chance to analyze why you claimed and when. You are asking us to create the story you are supposed to write.
Is it really though? The first time I threatened to claim was almost as good as a real claim, was it not? People were still able to read into my actions, but scum didn't get to know what I am/am not.
The comparison is off I feel. The original claim came on day one, when just the slightest hint of the weakest power role in the multiverse is enough to save you. Doing the bare minimum is not a full claim nor did I see anything alignment-indicative in your actions back then. It was a correct play in the situation you presented to us, regardless of your alignment.
Blarg seemed to be having problems yesterday meeting it, so hopefully all is well in their world. I wouldn't necessarily expect him back, but I dunno? Play as if he said he was a cop and said Zeusy was scum.
Blarg seemed to be having problems yesterday meeting it, so hopefully all is well in their world. I wouldn't necessarily expect him back, but I dunno? Play as if he said he was a cop and said Zeusy was scum.
Or play as flame is scum
Or play as flame is scum
If we're going to bicker. Remember, there's only two votes on me now, one of them is your own.
I've presented a case, you've presented very little, and the train which you hopped on with Splinter they've since abandoned. What you might want to be thinking is: "When should I claim since the votes could swing my way?" (You should claim cop with a scum read on me, I'm sure that'd be great.)
Lol I didn't hop on no train.If we're going to bicker. Remember, there's only two votes on me now, one of them is your own.
I've presented a case, you've presented very little, and the train which you hopped on with Splinter they've since abandoned. What you might want to be thinking is: "When should I claim since the votes could swing my way?" (You should claim cop with a scum read on me, I'm sure that'd be great.)
There's no way you believe that. You were the fourth vote on a now dead train. The last one to vote it currently.
To be honest, you haven't really put forward a case for why I'm scum. I did that for you at least. You briefly insinuated that you might take at my actions, you never said anything of note regarding it after that though. If you think I'm scum, make a case why and convince others that you might be right. That's what I'm trying to do.
All of our interactions have been me on the attack and you deflecting left, right, and center, so if nothing else, go on the offensive and try to lynch me. You sitting idly by as one of your 'top' scum candidates slowly loses momentum makes it seem like you never really had any interest in lynching me. Fight for your candidate!
I reread Zeusy's posts, but his posting style makes it hard to make a clear read. He naturally leans towards very short posts, but I can't really call that scum tell in of itself.
Zeusy's entire post history centers around two main sets of interactions: Zeusy scumreading Blarg over a post Blarg made asking for Zeusy's role, and Flame_AC's aggressive hounding of Zeusy over Zeusy's inconsistant reads and votes.
Zeusy's interactions with Blarg gave me "newbie town who really isn't familiar with anyone's posting habits" vibes, which I can relate to.
Now, I can understand why Flame_AC scumread Zeusy over some inconsistant voting. However, I mostly get the vibe that Zeusy is a mix of not really closely following the thread all the time due to being busy in real life, unfamiliarity with forum mafia, not posting every thought that goes through his head, and having trouble reading people. Zeusy is guilty of making OMGUS votes, but those are pretty common.
The main thing that gives me pause on Zeusy is his confidence that Flame_AC will regret trying to lynch him. But that confidence feels like it might come from being a newbie townie who hasn't experienced being lynched before. I experienced that sense of immortality when I first started playing. I thought: "why would town lynch me? I'm town!" Once you have played a few games, you realize that town will lynch you without remorse for the silliest reasons.
Zeusy's entire post history centers around two main sets of interactions: Zeusy scumreading Blarg over a post Blarg made asking for Zeusy's role, and Flame_AC's aggressive hounding of Zeusy over Zeusy's inconsistant reads and votes.
Zeusy's interactions with Blarg gave me "newbie town who really isn't familiar with anyone's posting habits" vibes, which I can relate to.
Now, I can understand why Flame_AC scumread Zeusy over some inconsistant voting. However, I mostly get the vibe that Zeusy is a mix of not really closely following the thread all the time due to being busy in real life, unfamiliarity with forum mafia, not posting every thought that goes through his head, and having trouble reading people. Zeusy is guilty of making OMGUS votes, but those are pretty common.
The main thing that gives me pause on Zeusy is his confidence that Flame_AC will regret trying to lynch him. But that confidence feels like it might come from being a newbie townie who hasn't experienced being lynched before. I experienced that sense of immortality when I first started playing. I thought: "why would town lynch me? I'm town!" Once you have played a few games, you realize that town will lynch you without remorse for the silliest reasons.
Blargonaut
Banned
VOTE: Bronx-Man
I think Bronx seems more nervous than Zeusy...
I think Bronx seems more nervous than Zeusy...
Blargonaut
Banned
Flame is Mafia
but a Thunderdome between Bronx and Zeusy seems more entertaining to me in hindsight
but a Thunderdome between Bronx and Zeusy seems more entertaining to me in hindsight
Blargonaut
Banned
cabot, what do you think
About *Splinter
About *Splinter
Blargonaut
Banned
and Kalor needs to talk at me more, tbh