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GDP Win 3 is out already and a vastly superior handheld PC option, albeit a bit pricier, but if I want a top of the line handheld PC, it's not being built by Valve.
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GDP Win 3 is out already and a vastly superior handheld PC option, albeit a bit pricier, but if I want a top of the line handheld PC, it's not being built by Valve.
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GDP Win 3 is out already and a vastly superior handheld PC option, albeit a bit pricier, but if I want a top of the line handheld PC, it's not being built by Valve.
I just looked into the GPD Win 3. It has a more powerful CPU than the Steam Deck, and it has double the NVMe storage space versus the Steam Deck (1 TB vs 512 GB). Unfortunately, it also has a less powerful GPU than the Steam Deck, slower RAM than the Steam Deck, and a smaller screen than the Steam Deck. Not to mention the fact that it is a LOT more expensive. The price per performance win goes to the Steam Deck, and the only hardware benefit over the Steam Deck is a more powerful CPU (which is pointless anyway on a screen that is only 5.5 inches).
The Steam Deck is a really great device. I'm happy with my Desktop PC though.
Someone blew their load on a Win 3
What about 1TB of storage and a slide out keyboard? Most of the cost in these devices is from storage and the higher storage Steamdeck devices are comparable in price.I just looked into the GPD Win 3. It has a more powerful CPU than the Steam Deck, and it has double the NVMe storage space versus the Steam Deck (1 TB vs 512 GB). Unfortunately, it also has a less powerful GPU than the Steam Deck, slower RAM than the Steam Deck, and a smaller screen than the Steam Deck. Not to mention the fact that it is a LOT more expensive. The price per performance win goes to the Steam Deck, and the only hardware benefit over the Steam Deck is a more powerful CPU (which is pointless anyway on a screen that is only 5.5 inches).
To me that slide-out screen and keyboard just scream "This is where this thing is gonna break". I'm not interested in any handheld PCs, but if I were to get one it'd be the one with the fewest moving parts.What about 1TB of storage and a slide out keyboard? Most of the cost in these devices is from storage and the higher storage Steamdeck devices are comparable in price.
What about 1TB of storage and a slide out keyboard? Most of the cost in these devices is from storage and the higher storage Steamdeck devices are comparable in price.
GPD Win 3 uses a cheaper (i.e. physically larger) 2280 SSD for storage, so it's not that comparable even then.What about 1TB of storage and a slide out keyboard? Most of the cost in these devices is from storage and the higher storage Steamdeck devices are comparable in price.
The most expensive Steamdeck comes with just over half the memory of the GDP Win. This along with the Win's extra features is the discrepancy in price. I vastly prefer a slide out keyboard for a portable pc because I don't like the idea of touching up the screen, but as you said that's subjective.I mentioned the 1TB of storage already. That only allows more games to be stored, but it isn't affecting game performance for installed games. It is nice to have more storage, but price per performance for overall power goes to the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck has a touchscreen with an on-screen keyboard. I don't see a benefit to going back to the year 2002 and sticking the T-Mobile Sidekick's keyboard on the GPD WIN3 instead of saving the space and using the on-screen keyboard. Also, the keyboard is as cramped as the 5.5" screen, meaning the Steam Deck's larger screen results in a larger keyboard layout. How someone feels about the keyboard (on-screen versus physical) is purely subjective of course. If you prefer it, good on you.
Also, the starting price for the GPD WIN3 is $999. That is $300 more than the Steam Deck. That is NOT comparable in price. Especially considering that $699 is the maximum price for the Steam Deck. The lowest price of $399 still gets you a Steam Deck that only uses EMMC and microSD memory, but it still has the more powerful GPU and RAM, as well as the larger screen. If we're looking at price per performance, the Steam Deck wins no matter the model.
The most expensive Steamdeck comes with just over half the memory of the GDP Win. This along with the Win's extra features is the discrepancy in price. I vastly prefer a slide out keyboard for a portable pc because I don't like the idea of touching up the screen, but as you said that's subjective.
As far as specs are concerned, the different architectures aren't a purely black and white comparison, the Win 3 has been handling PC AAA games relatively well since it launched. We'll see how the Deck pans out once it's out in the wild. My guess is that Valve and other portable PC players will continue to outdo each other with tons of new models popping up.
I have the same opinion about Deck.That looks awful, and uncomfortable. Just my opinion.
I have the same opinion about Deck.
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Well, it said starts shipping in December, which is true. Although anyone who pre-orders because they saw this video will be in for a surprise, so I agree with you - seems silly to put this out now with that messaging.Why would they advertise December when their supply ia tied up through June? I want to believe they must bs bumping up their production, but I won't hold my breath.
They want people to preorder as soon as possible so they can plan for further orders. They don't want everyone to wait 6 months and then all started ordering all at once again.Well, it said starts shipping in December, which is true. Although anyone who pre-orders because they saw this video will be in for a surprise, so I agree with you - seems silly to put this out now with that messaging.
They want people to preorder as soon as possible so they can plan for further orders. They don't want everyone to wait 6 months and then all started ordering all at once again.
Literally everyone who actually tried Steam Deck praised its ergonomics. It will be lot more comfortable than Switch, that's for sure.I have the same opinion about Deck.
It looks big, and it certainly may not be for everybody.
Valve Employee answer from a prior interview :I just completely ignored it so far, but I think I might be interested if
- I can remove Steam from it and install W8.1
- It can be plugged to a monitor and a keyboard/mouse
- It can run Cyberpunk 2077
Would be cheaper than buying a new rig. Does it satisfy all those requisites?
Yes, you can do this and install Windows 10, which is better than 8.1. It has great modern hardware specs and its display has a small resolution, so you'll be able to play modern AAA games with pretty good, better quality than any portable console like PSP, Vita or Switch did before. And you won't need to buy again your PC games, all of them will be there for you.I just completely ignored it so far, but I think I might be interested if
- I can remove Steam from it and install W8.1
- It can be plugged to a monitor and a keyboard/mouse
- It can run Cyberpunk 2077
Would be cheaper than buying a new rig. Does it satisfy all those requisites?
In order:I just completely ignored it so far, but I think I might be interested if
- I can remove Steam from it and install W8.1
- It can be plugged to a monitor and a keyboard/mouse
- It can run Cyberpunk 2077
Would be cheaper than buying a new rig. Does it satisfy all those requisites?
Nope.Yes, you can do this and install Windows 10, which is better than 8.1.
In order:
- Yes you can, but you'll likely lose some of the added Deck-specific functions like suspend/resume, and gain extra performance overheads from all the Windows processes running in the background. So far the only advantage to installing Windows, besides familiarity, is expected to be access to Gamepass - which is specifically Win10+ exclusive at the moment.
- Yes it can, through either the official dock that's coming sometime in the future, or any other dock/hub that connects with USB-C. It has a desktop much like any Windows PC does, except it's Linux-based, and it can be used in all the same ways with all the same peripherals.
- Yes it can, at least as so far tested through experiments with approximately equivalent hardware running Linux and Proton. Low settings and FPS solidly above 30 (so lockable to 30 with the built-in SteamOS compositor) at 720p resolution are expected. This is before trying to use the forced FidelityFX SuperResolution scaling implementation that is currently working its way into Proton's main release, which could bump framerate by at least another 50% at the cost of a little bit of clarity.
Thanks everyone.Valve Employee answer from a prior interview :
"It is a PC".
So yes.
Genuinely curious, why Windows 8? I had a lot of issues with that release.Nope.
Thanks everyone.
W8 unmodded is crap, this is true. I tweaked 8.1 enough to be just, basically, an updated XP.Genuinely curious, why Windows 8? I had a lot of issues with that release.
I appreciate the thorough explanationW8 unmodded is crap, this is true. I tweaked 8.1 enough to be just, basically, an updated XP.
And I don't like 10, on a UI design standpoint it's a step back on customizability and simplicity, it's draconian, I can't stand telemetry and spying, and I absolutely cannot tolerate the pushed advertising and bloatware and I don't tolerate automatic updates for anything. I briefly used it on a laptop and I wanted to throw it out of the window.
Yes, games perform better in Windows 10 than in Windows 8. And obviously will offer more compatibility than Win 8 and Steam OS for games and emulators. Regarding the buttons like suspend etc I'm pretty sure Valve and MS will handle it since both are interested on a flawless Win 10 integration. Regarding the Windows Update, you can disable or schedule them, and the UI can be customized.Nope.
GPD Win 3 has a retro "BlackBerry" or classic Nokia look instead of a modern Switch look.Edit: Deleted. I do not want to continue to be quoted.
GPD WIN3 has LPDDR4x 4266. Steam Deck has LPDDR5-5500.As I said, if you enjoy the physical keyboard then great. I'm not trying to put you down for it. I personally don't find it useful, but that's just my opinion.
As far as the specs are concerned, it is a pretty black and white comparison to compare the GPD WIN3's GDDR5 memory to the Steam Deck's GDDR6 memory. The Steam Deck is objectively better on that front. On the GPU side of things, the RDNA 2 APU from AMD is objectively better than the Intel Iris Xe. The Steam Deck's GPU will be running at a variable rate between 1.0 and 1.6 GHz, which surpasses the Intel Iris Xe in the GPD WIN3 which tops out at 1.1 GHz.
Software optimization will be a big factor, sure. But let's stop pretending that the GPD WIN3 is matching the Steam Deck in terms of raw power in any place other than the CPU, because that is false. Again, any Steam Deck model will beat any GPD WIN3 model in terms of price per performance. This is objectively true based on the specs.
Steam Deck is a full-featured gaming PC designed by Valve that lets you bring the games you love wherever you go. Reserve yours now and learn more at http://steamdeck.com Or https://www.steamdeck.com/en/
Steam Deck is gigantic, it's like carrying around a skateboard.GPD Win 3 has a retro "BlackBerry" or classic Nokia look instead of a modern Switch look.
The most expensive Steamdeck comes with just over half the memory of the GDP Win. This along with the Win's extra features is the discrepancy in price. I vastly prefer a slide out keyboard for a portable pc because I don't like the idea of touching up the screen, but as you said that's subjective.
As far as specs are concerned, the different architectures aren't a purely black and white comparison, the Win 3 has been handling PC AAA games relatively well since it launched. We'll see how the Deck pans out once it's out in the wild. My guess is that Valve and other portable PC players will continue to outdo each other and flood the market with tons of new models popping up.
Steam Deck is gigantic, it's like carrying around a skateboard.![]()
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Steam Deck is slightly wider than the original Switch. The mouse touch pad is important for mobile PC gaming.
Again, the mouse touchpad is important for mobile PC gaming. End-user experience is important. I want my future Xbox controller to integerate the mouse touchpad.Slightly?
Switch is huge as it is for a handheld. That is a giant.
Pretty sure in the future will come in a more consumer friendly form factor though.