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Stumpokapow
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scorcho said:
I read after-the-fact text recaps rather than watching live, unfortunately, so I don't know
there are parts of apps that can be totally overhauled. But I don't mean just the window dressing (although that may happen one day). There can be major changes to some of the apps in the OS that would change the way people use them.
The big example I can think of is the music app. I think they can integrate the genius features from the music store into the app. so you can listening to an artist tap a button, sample more of their songs (maybe buy some), then see related artists, etc. and still be able to go back to your music in one or two taps.
Basically just rip off the zune HD music/ store interaction on the small screen. do one of the things in desktop itunes that makes the store integration useful.
I don't think they'll abandon the grid of app icons anytime soon. I think that works pretty well because it's simple and discoverable. the fewer layers in the UI, the better (for Apple).
I wonder what would replace the tab bar along the bottom of the screen. that's the big, universal app navigation standard for iOS. would it be better to make it gestural? it's less discoverable but it saves screen real estate. Or would they start using the sides of the screen more? this works great on the ipad due to its size (see Reeder). could it be brought back down to the phone?
The big example I can think of is the music app. I think they can integrate the genius features from the music store into the app. so you can listening to an artist tap a button, sample more of their songs (maybe buy some), then see related artists, etc. and still be able to go back to your music in one or two taps.
Basically just rip off the zune HD music/ store interaction on the small screen. do one of the things in desktop itunes that makes the store integration useful.
I don't think they'll abandon the grid of app icons anytime soon. I think that works pretty well because it's simple and discoverable. the fewer layers in the UI, the better (for Apple).
I wonder what would replace the tab bar along the bottom of the screen. that's the big, universal app navigation standard for iOS. would it be better to make it gestural? it's less discoverable but it saves screen real estate. Or would they start using the sides of the screen more? this works great on the ipad due to its size (see Reeder). could it be brought back down to the phone?
Snkfanatic
Banned
Dragon said:
Did that and just tried to test it, sent myself a email from a personal account and it doesn't show it immediately. I still have to go into the app for it to show up in my inbox. Do I have to set a option up for push or fetch? Push is set to on and fetch is on manually btw
I agree, Apple is usually slow at these things; I don't expect them to abruptly jettison Springboard next WWDC. But the trend is clear and some people (not me, i find the voice recognition wonky) are already suggesting that Siri is revolutionizing their iPhone usage. Siri can already do everything in the Clock appand do it faster and simpler. Siri, and the weather widget in notification center, replicates all one needs from the weather app. Siri has ursuped opening those apps for many people even if Apple keeps the icons on Springboard as a legacy for many years to come.Tobor said:
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
chickdigger802 said:
Its not a question of Apple's speed to change, there are inherent limitations that make it impossible to act as a Springboard replacement. Why would they remove UI elements when Siri cant work without a network connection? There are accessibility issues to consider as well.. People who can't speak, for example.Greyface said:
I was watching a youtube vid of Macworld 2007 (introduction of the iphone) and it's amazing just how much of the UI is the same now. The 4 was my first iphone so it surprised me that the first generation iphone's UI looked pretty much the same. They got a lot of things right the first time.
As for what the design of the iphone 5 may look like? I'm kinda digging the rumored iphone look (similar to ipad)
http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/08/iphone5-3.jpg
But seeing how the iphone 5 is Job's last project I'm not worried at all.
As for what the design of the iphone 5 may look like? I'm kinda digging the rumored iphone look (similar to ipad)
http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/08/iphone5-3.jpg
But seeing how the iphone 5 is Job's last project I'm not worried at all.
Keylime
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I'm telling you guys, the resolution adjustment required to make the phones have a bigger screen and still keep them retina would be awkward.
By the time the 5 comes out, I'm sure roughly 50-70% of the active market will be using either the 4 or the 4S. If the 5 hits and now apps need to be universal in a whole new way that they work on the iPhone 4/4S, iPhone 5 and iPad 2/3...it's going to start becoming a problem for developers.
If I were Apple, I'd try and maintain 2 standard resolutions across my iOS devices. One resolution for iPhone, another for iPad. It makes sense to me to have two separate resolutions instead of one, because interfaces on the iPad won't necessarily scale well to the iPhone. Could lead to a lot of bad apps due to lazy developers.
Philosophically, I can almost guarantee that Apple will not release a non-retina iOS device again. The moment they can get the iPad out with a retina display (and they could as soon as the 3), that'll be the minimum standard. It isn't some arbitrary number, it's the number that makes the most difference to the user. Apple stated pretty clearly that they don't want consumers looking at screens and seeing a bunch of pixels jammed together...they want them to see smooth and clear interfaces...greater fonts...cleaner video...
If you assume retina is a requirement (and I assume it is), and you assume that Apple doesn't want 3 resolutions out there that have to be supported (why introduce further complexity for developers if you don't have to)...I don't see these larger screens becoming a reality unless Apple starts pushing a new resolution scheme.
By the time the 5 comes out, I'm sure roughly 50-70% of the active market will be using either the 4 or the 4S. If the 5 hits and now apps need to be universal in a whole new way that they work on the iPhone 4/4S, iPhone 5 and iPad 2/3...it's going to start becoming a problem for developers.
If I were Apple, I'd try and maintain 2 standard resolutions across my iOS devices. One resolution for iPhone, another for iPad. It makes sense to me to have two separate resolutions instead of one, because interfaces on the iPad won't necessarily scale well to the iPhone. Could lead to a lot of bad apps due to lazy developers.
Philosophically, I can almost guarantee that Apple will not release a non-retina iOS device again. The moment they can get the iPad out with a retina display (and they could as soon as the 3), that'll be the minimum standard. It isn't some arbitrary number, it's the number that makes the most difference to the user. Apple stated pretty clearly that they don't want consumers looking at screens and seeing a bunch of pixels jammed together...they want them to see smooth and clear interfaces...greater fonts...cleaner video...
If you assume retina is a requirement (and I assume it is), and you assume that Apple doesn't want 3 resolutions out there that have to be supported (why introduce further complexity for developers if you don't have to)...I don't see these larger screens becoming a reality unless Apple starts pushing a new resolution scheme.
retina is a marketing term, plain and simple. the difference between a ~330dpi device and a ~280dpi one is near impossible to discern, especially when factoring in the distance most people hold the phone away from their eyes.
the only problem with iOS/OSX and resolution is that Apple has bound it to a certain ratio/number. it's not resolution independent insofar as the device could work with any resolution, but only multiples of the original 320x480 screen for the iphone, and 1024x768 for the ipad.
the only problem with iOS/OSX and resolution is that Apple has bound it to a certain ratio/number. it's not resolution independent insofar as the device could work with any resolution, but only multiples of the original 320x480 screen for the iphone, and 1024x768 for the ipad.
Keylime
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Whatever we want to call it, I think it's a standard that Apple is going to set upon themselves and hold to moving forward. What retina means changes depending on the type of device you're using of course (computers we typically interact with further from our faces than our phones making pixel density less intensive to reach "retina" levels)...but I'm pretty sure Apple's going to be sticking to that concept across all product lines eventually, but specifically with iOS since it's a much tighter ecosystem.scorcho said:
As I mentioned earlier, the old Siri app had typing input not just voice... Another option would be to tap the info button and navigate to the actions from there. *shrug* I can easily imagine Siri as a simpler, better launcher for apps compared to Springboard e.g. Ask Siri for racing games and it shows all the ones installed on the device. Or perhaps Ask Siri for something to read and it shows all the new updates in the Newsstand folder...Tobor said:
None of this contradicts my point. Siri is a complimentary UI, not a replacement.Greyface said:
The typing inside of Siri was removed because it was a fall back for when the voice failed, a fall back that is no longer necessary with the improved voice recognition. The typing option killed the original Siri's user experience, IMO. Every time I tried to use it while driving, and it couldn't understand me and asked me to type, it failed. That was a bad UI decision/tech limitation in the original app that Apple corrected.
Gary Whitta
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How long before someone falls in love with Siri like those Japanese dudes (and James Franco) with their anime pillows?
Mr. Wonderful
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It would beat the fake leather...scorcho said:
iNvid02
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first photo!
thats with the protector still in front of the camera, waiting for a proper one to arrive before i remove em
cant believe how fast it shoots and saves images, and then boom they're in the photostream
thats with the protector still in front of the camera, waiting for a proper one to arrive before i remove em
cant believe how fast it shoots and saves images, and then boom they're in the photostream
I'm really pissed C-Spire has the iphone 4s now, they have a plan of unlimited data, messaging, and 500 minutes (idgaf about minutes) for 50.00/month.
That's half my AT&T bill. Fuuuckkk.
C-Spire is a southern US regional carrier, great service, even around the rest of the nation.
That's half my AT&T bill. Fuuuckkk.
C-Spire is a southern US regional carrier, great service, even around the rest of the nation.
Ken Masters
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Android 4.0 looks really good actually
Gary Whitta
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Sorry but Android looks hideous compared to iOS.
planar1280
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iOS still looks good but man it needs a change of scenery. it is starting to show its age. They need to up the IQ AKA MAC OS 9 to X. I can see in the screens above that Android has come a long way and now nearly on par with iOS.
ICS definitely looks a lot more mature and modern. I still think there's more useful and workable info and accessibility with iOS5, with ICS a lot of the buttons aren't labelled. But that's stuff you'd simply pick up with time and use.
Only thing ICS lacks is some cohesiveness through it's design, and better use of space. Especially in the camera mode, and gallery viewer. But then the web browsing screen is definitely a better use of space than say iOS, which has those annoying tabs top and bottom that just destroy so much screen coverage.
Only thing ICS lacks is some cohesiveness through it's design, and better use of space. Especially in the camera mode, and gallery viewer. But then the web browsing screen is definitely a better use of space than say iOS, which has those annoying tabs top and bottom that just destroy so much screen coverage.
Gary Whitta
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Also I love that you have a reminder set up to drink coffee 
Ken Masters
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Gary Whitta said:
you're sorry about having a different opinion?
oooh, good comparisons. Any screenshots with the Android actionbar compared to the corresponding iOS tab bar, Giga?
What app is that Buster? Can't find it via itunesque nvm chicago only.
... *sigh* agree to disagree then.Tobor said:
... your apology in this case was for insulting Android though.Gary Whitta said:
Gary Whitta
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These days I feel like I have to apologize for liking Apple stuff.Ken Masters said:
Snkfanatic
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Anyone else getting a issue with placing calls on Verizon? I have to call once hang up and then call again to even get it to go through.
Rekwest
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Why people do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKxgsrJFhw
because they sell insurance? http://squaretrade.comRekwest said:
CrunchinJelly
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ICS reminds me of Metro with all those flat colours.
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Ken Masters said:
Really? I think it looks pretty damn horrific. I really think it looks quite a bit worse than even Gingerbread.
cjelly said:
It's like a cross between Metro and iOS5 imo. If they worked on some of the information accessibility or screen space consistency, it could be the best of both worlds. For me iOS5 is ultra assessable, easy to use and brilliant with information availability, but has a horribly archaic design, is overly dull in appearance and sometimes a bit too simple at the expense of functionality or increased screen coverage.
Honestly, sometimes I'm using iOS5 and I almost think Apple is mocking me. You could almost (almost) get the impression the UI was built and designed for a child. Which makes it easy to use sure, but at the expense of beautiful or brave UI design.
Gary Whitta
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Android to me looks like some kind of developer environment that should exist and be seen only under the front-end consumer interface.
Technosteve
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I think the best way to describe ice cream sandwich is that they stop letting the engineers design the interface and actually took UI UX seriously by hiring a design guy from Palm. They might be taking Art and technology seriously.
Patrick Bateman
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giga said:iOS could do with some fresh paint over some places (such as the background pinstripes or linen), but it still looks really damn polished over the years. Whipped up some quick comparisons to ICS.
I need that background.
planar1280
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Patrick Bateman said:
its in the App RetinaHD on the App store
Gary Whitta
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Patrick Bateman said:
Gary Whitta
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No, because it's fugly.nib95 said:
Technosteve
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Gary take the high road he might be confused what mature means, after having to relearn the UI after every android update.Gary Whitta said:
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