Yeah, I don't really see the point in an iPhone nano, unless they are pursuing a super-aggressive pricing strategy (i.e. "Free with AT&T contract"). Of course the phrase "super aggressing pricing" and "Apple" don't really belong in the same sentence. Assuming that the iPhone nano would be mega-cheap (or free), how can they slash $200 worth of production costs out of the phone without completely neutering it or splintering the software development community? I guess they can remove the 3G and the GPS, but that sort of ruins what the iPhone experience is meant to be.
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WordAssassin
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These iPhone nano and iPhone Pro concepts are so fucking stupid. Yes, Apple set up an App Store with over 10,000 apps in it specifically designed for the features and screen size of an iPhone/iPod Touch, and they're going to throw all that to the wind an release a new version that has a radically different form factor to completely divide not only the user base but also the development base. Ok. Makes sense to me.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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I agree.WordAssassin said:
I don't follow Apple rumors that well, but there's so much evidence for the existence of a smaller iPhone that it seems pretty hard to ignore. It seems like the signs are pointing to something in that area, and the fact that Jobs is sitting out MacWorld seems to indicate that it won't be a major product announcement but probably a revision (something along the lines of a reduced-size iPhone).
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Zero evidence is actually pretty easy to ignore.border said:
jonnybryce
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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Whoa they guessed PERFECT on the ipod nano redesign....
Well, it certainly feels a lot like the buzz that preceded the announcement of the original iPhone and the iPhone 3G. I don't discount the possibility that much of the detailed speculation is wrong (since many of the pre-iPhone rumors were wrong), but overall how is this situation different? It certainly seems like some kind of iPhone refresh is in the pipes.
WordAssassin said:
I think the Nano is a little silly, but the cases appearing is interesting. Then again, people are pretty much 'on' to fake mock ups, so making fake mock up case designs may be the evolution of that.
My point is, it doesn't HAVE to split the user base. Any potential smaller sized device could simply be either higher resolution (dot pitch), or have hardware to scale display, or be it's own thing - such as not run apps. The latter of which is also kinda stupid, since the App store must be a huge cash cow for Apple. Apple HAVE done crazier things, though. You gotta admit, a small iPhone, that perhaps doesn't use the appstore, but runs proprietary apps such as safari and mail as a lower priced version 'for teh kiddies (or teen girls)' could be quite appealing.
jonnybryce
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All the nano needs is wifi and the apps will work just as the Touch. As long as the screen is the same resolution, apps won't need to be ported, and typing will be similar if the width is similar.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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You make sense, but I still don't buy it. Without the full App Store, they're splitting their base and losing the source of income. Also, users needing nano fingers to type on a nano screen size.mrkgoo said:
I'm wondering why so many on the Internet believe Apple thinks their iPhone is doing poorly enough that they would make a smaller, shittier one.
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I feel so alone in my love for 3G over WiFi.
Yes, WiFi is great. No WiFi is not everywhere I want it to be. Thus! 3G. There's an 80% chance that wherever I am I'll be able to use the 3G network. There's a 5-10% chance that wherever I am there will be a WiFi connection I can pick up.
Losing 3G is infinitely worse than losing WiFi. Just turn off 3G if you don't like the battery sucking it can do.
Yes, WiFi is great. No WiFi is not everywhere I want it to be. Thus! 3G. There's an 80% chance that wherever I am I'll be able to use the 3G network. There's a 5-10% chance that wherever I am there will be a WiFi connection I can pick up.
Losing 3G is infinitely worse than losing WiFi. Just turn off 3G if you don't like the battery sucking it can do.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Because the iPod mini and the nanos have proven to be MORE popular than the classics. Yes, admittedly, the smaller iPods didn't lose much functionality when they shrunk, but history has shown the very same comments on such product releases.
"Who's going to buy a smaller capacity iPod, just because it's thinner?"
"Who is going to watch vidoe on such a small screen?"
I'm not convinced the iPhone nano is coming, but it could simply be the 'average phone users' iPhone
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Apple cares about making a non-store-having budget phone as much as they care about making a mid-range desktop tower.mrkgoo said:
RubxQub said:
It's funny you should mention. When I moved to the US, I had my pick of any carrier for my iPhone 3G (well, not verizon). I just wanted a simple prepaid, so I went with T-mobile, losing my go-everywhere internet. SO I just switched off my 3G. I'm pretty sure the battery life in my iPhone has like tripled. Before, with 3G connection, I would need a charge a day. More often if I used it more. Now, I can go nearly two days with reasonable heavy use. I'm sur eI could do three with light use.
jonnybryce
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mrkgoo said:
There arr plenty who would opt for the bigger screen and more storage, so not true
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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So then why make the smaller phone?jonnybryce said:
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Exactly. They won't make it he same thing but smaller - the iPod nano (and mini) was a new product category - being ultra thin and flash based. What advantage would a smaller iPhone have? It's already flash based, so why would they put smaller memory into it? it makes no sense.
You're all fucking crazy if you think Apple is going to release a new iPhone form factor with either a smaller, but higher dpi screen (to keep app store compatibility) or a reduced function phone with a smaller screen and no app store compatibility. The iphone and the apps are still way too new to start fracturing the market
Jobs has even gone on record in the past saying that he believes Apple will distinguish themselves from the competition by offering software updates to a single phone as opposed to having multiple versions of hardware out there.
These case designs are not real. please note that the only image of a prototype case is from a less reputable chinese manufacturer. there's no pics of anything on the vaja site.
plus, you think Apple would have Schiller intro a new iPhone at Macworld instead of Jobs?
there's gonna be mac mini and imac updates, maybe news about push notifications for the iphone FW and that's about it.
Jobs has even gone on record in the past saying that he believes Apple will distinguish themselves from the competition by offering software updates to a single phone as opposed to having multiple versions of hardware out there.
These case designs are not real. please note that the only image of a prototype case is from a less reputable chinese manufacturer. there's no pics of anything on the vaja site.
plus, you think Apple would have Schiller intro a new iPhone at Macworld instead of Jobs?
there's gonna be mac mini and imac updates, maybe news about push notifications for the iphone FW and that's about it.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Except that most of those nano cases were fakes: http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/24/supposed-4th-gen-ipod-nano-case-designs-slip-out/. What's going on with the connectors at the bottom of that and the shitty curve of the device? They were just guessing off of Kevin Rose's blurry photo leak of it.Burai said:
it's the same resolution on a smaller screen with 100% app store compatibility, it's not too hard to understand. take out 3G/GPS, take out memory leaving only 2GB or so, and you have a $99 iPhone Nano sold everywhere including Walmart and Target.
i'm sorry if you starbuck drinking, volkswagen driving, apple elitist don't like it but it's coming. yes everybody and their grandmother will now have an iPhone, yes the iPhone's "cool" factor will go down a notch, yes some of you will have to shell out more cash to upgrade to the "latest and greatest" apple devise yet again. live with it and move on. this is a good thing, more money into the app store means more new apps.
i'm sorry if you starbuck drinking, volkswagen driving, apple elitist don't like it but it's coming. yes everybody and their grandmother will now have an iPhone, yes the iPhone's "cool" factor will go down a notch, yes some of you will have to shell out more cash to upgrade to the "latest and greatest" apple devise yet again. live with it and move on. this is a good thing, more money into the app store means more new apps.
Worm_Buffet
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thirty said:
But all the supposed iPhone nano cases so far have shown that it is the same width (but smaller height) as the current iPhone. The only way to retain compatability with current apps then would be to distort the aspect ratio.
As for the technical feasibility to fit everything inside a smaller case: the 3G and GPS chip is the same and would have to be replaced by a GSM one, saving nominal space on the circuit board. Further more, the iPhone only contains one flash memory chip already, so that wouldn't save any space either.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but almost.
adamsappel
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Why is it necessarily an iPhone nano? Couldn't it be a Touch nano? With camera added?
no one in particular, just generalizing those apple lovers who know deep inside they burn a little when apple releases something new that they'll need to purchase to stay within the good graces of their community.Dirtbag said:
i don't believe the specs yet, but if the resolution is different then developers shouldn't find it too hard to change programs around to fit. heck, they already do this for all the differing resolutions of blackberry/winmo phones.Worm_Buffet said:
FYI, the iPhone 3G has a 3G chip as well as the 2G (GSM/EDGE) chip. you didn't actually think the iPhone was 3G all the time? the coverage is spotty and it's a battery drainer. many iPhone owners turn off the 3G to save battery life. so yes, it can be removed from the Nano to save space and cost.
same with memory, it's not so much a space saver but a cost saver to go from 8/16GB down to 2GB.
Worm_Buffet
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thirty said:
I'm quite certain the iPhone 3G does not have two separate chips for 2G and 3G. In fact, I don't think there is a 3G chip that doesn't do 2G as well.
As for costs, I don't think that would be a issue as Apple already has a hefty margin on the iPhone.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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lol @ thirty
You're confusing the hypothetical sour grapes of elitist Apple users with what Apple itself wants. Apple has never wanted to be all things to all people, and they certainly aren't going to sabotage their carefully-built reputation and profits on the iPhone with a smaller, shittier device for cheap fucks.thirty said:
2GB leaves 1GB of actual space when you factor in the iPhone OS.thirty said:
thegreyfox
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Worm_Buffet said:
It's one chip with multiple radios(HSDPA,GSM,GSRP).
Wouldn't it be easier for AT&T to just sell the iPhone 3G for $99 with a 3 year contract?
Phoenix
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thirty said:
I honestly think this stereotype is a creation of youth angst at anything that looks to be popular. I have never in life met anyone who falls in that category and I know tons of Apple developers, followers, and fans. They are no more 'trying to stay in the graces of the community' than Netflix users who purchased a Roku and a Netflix enabled BluRay player.
Phoenix
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thegreyfox said:
Yes and no. While it is possible for them to move the iPhone "regular" into the channel at a cheaper price, doing so would mean that the iPhone now lives at that price and I'm not sure Apple wants the iPhone to become a mass market budget item. It makes more marketing sense for them to come up with a 'cheapie', even if it uses most of the same parts - but a lower quality screen or something, just to preserve the channel pricing of the higher end product. This is why they haven't merged the MacBook and MacBook Pro lines even thought there isn't much that really separates them.
People can say bad things about Apple, but they know marketing.
thirty said:
Sorry, but who who thinks like that? The iPhone is so prevalent that it can not really have a 'cool' factor associated outside of it's practicality. It's just a great device, which is why the majority of users have it. It may not have a lot of features, but the user experience is top notch. It has nothing to do with 'cool' factor.
Something that has been bugging me about the iPhone:
Poor podcast memory. When I listened to podcasts on a nano, I could listen on-the-go, come home, plug in the player, open up the same podcast in iTunes and resume it EXACTLY where I left off. But now iTunes doesn't have a fucking clue where my playback position is. I cannot resume podcasts at all. iTunes doesn't even recognize that I've ever listened to them (there is still that blue dot next to it when listed).
Is this a known issue with the phone, or is there just some switch I didn't flip that will resolve things?
Poor podcast memory. When I listened to podcasts on a nano, I could listen on-the-go, come home, plug in the player, open up the same podcast in iTunes and resume it EXACTLY where I left off. But now iTunes doesn't have a fucking clue where my playback position is. I cannot resume podcasts at all. iTunes doesn't even recognize that I've ever listened to them (there is still that blue dot next to it when listed).
Is this a known issue with the phone, or is there just some switch I didn't flip that will resolve things?
border said:
There's a Remember Playback Position under the track/podcast's options, so you can just make sure that's checked before syncing (Select All -> Get Info), but it should be on by default for podcasts, provided you're retrieving them from the iTMS. It's certainly not a problem on my phone or any of my iPods.
BlackGoku03
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Can I reboot the phone by holding the home button and the lock button without losing anything?
My friend told me to do this because my battery dies quickly.
My friend told me to do this because my battery dies quickly.
BlackGoku03
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I install an app, it's working fine. I reboot my iphone and I get this:
Am I fucked? Do I need to jailbreak it again?
(I blacked out the pic of my gf but there were no icons other than the bookmark)
EDIT I Jailbroke it again...
Am I fucked? Do I need to jailbreak it again?
(I blacked out the pic of my gf but there were no icons other than the bookmark)
EDIT I Jailbroke it again...
Update in case anyone else gets this error. AT&T gave me a new pin card which didn't help and sent me to the Apple store. After 30-40 minutes of trying to restore the phone they ended up giving me another phone.bionic77 said:
It looks like it was a refurbished phone but I got a new 1 year warranty and so far the phone feels a lot more responsive than my previous phone so I am not complaining.
GodfatherX
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i recently got a virus, and im going to completely reformat my hdd (its been 3 years so its past due)
what do i need to do to back up iTunes, contacts, music, playlist, ect so it doesnt change on my phone when i go to sync after the format?
what do i need to do to back up iTunes, contacts, music, playlist, ect so it doesnt change on my phone when i go to sync after the format?
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