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[Marty Chinn]

Anyone know if there's a way to turn landscaping off? Sometimes I like to lay in bed and browse on the phone but if I'm on my side, it's going to switch to landscape mode when I don't want it to. Part of me is dreading a bit that everything will be landscaping now.

 

[GodfatherX]

still curious why the original iPhone, which is superior to basically every phone out besides the 3g, can't do MMS, but the 3G can...this is frustrating to say the least

 

[Juice]

^ data plans are per line i believe.

3.0 gallery: http://i.gizmodo.com/5172807/iphone-30-beta-os-walkthrough-gallery

Somebody can't read an NDA. I bet Apple implemented a digital watermark system for software screen caps

 

[Deleted member 22576]

I'm sure (well, hopefully) that it will be in the preferences.

Somebody can't read an NDA. I bet Apple implemented a digital watermark system for software screen caps

that might be a bit too paranoid
also, couldnt you just open the pictures you took on your pc and screencap and resave them doing away with whatever watermark there probably isn't.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Damn, spotlight is gonna be niiice.

I have to wonder though... assuming they'll release a new iPhone this summer if it will offer anything the 3G doesn't other than a more attractive body/better screen.

That's what I think. With this 3.0 preview, we can see that the background apps thing is not coming, at least not in the near future, which was the basis for one of the rumors, since it was believed that it would have gotten extra processing power like the Touch did when it went from 1,1 to 2,1 or whatever, but since they nixed background apps, I don't believe the third-gen iPhone will have anything drastically different from this one. Just the matte finish and a 32GB option. And maybe a price adjustment 199/279/329 or something to that nature.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Yeah, I certainly hope they change it to matte aluminum or something.
I dislike the way the 3G looks.

 

[DMeisterJ]

Yeah, I certainly hope they change it to matte aluminum or something.
I dislike the way the 3G looks.

Same here, but I have a case for it, so I don't have to deal with the finger-printy back anymore. I would kill for matte though, that's nice.

 

[Sean]

I have to wonder though... assuming they'll release a new iPhone this summer if it will offer anything the 3G doesn't other than a more attractive body/better screen.

Well it could offer an improved camera with better focus and a flash (perhaps video recording too?). Beyond that though, I'm not sure what else they could add hardware-wise that would have people running out to the stores to upgrade.

 

[giga]

Somebody can't read an NDA. I bet Apple implemented a digital watermark system for software screen caps

just the messenger. i didn't say a word.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Also, you guys may

Spoiler

not

know that I started to use "DOCK" from Cydia recently.
Just a quick update. So far it's very slick. I've had a few opportunities where it really makes things more simple in every day situations.

Today I was on the phone and had to copy down some info. Instead of having to put speakerphone on and exit out of phone to the homescreen and then flip over a few pages to select notes and wait for it to load. All I had to do was push the speakerphone button, slide up from the bottom go to misc. and select notes.

It might not sound like that big of a difference, but it was much much more convenient. Being able to launch an app from another app is amazing.

Well it could offer an improved camera with better focus and a flash (perhaps video recording too?). Beyond that though, I'm not sure what else they could add hardware-wise that would have people running out to the stores to upgrade.

Yeah, that's why I'm still kind of wondering. Maybe there is still something up their sleeve.
They took a HUGE step today in not supporting the original iPhone 100%.
I am open to the idea that they may offer something not even the 3G supports.

 

[border]

Somebody can't read an NDA. I bet Apple implemented a digital watermark system for software screen caps

Or they just don't give a fuck?

Good luck putting a "digital watermark" on the PrintScreen button.

 

[Juice]

Or they just don't give a fuck?

Good luck putting a "digital watermark" on the PrintScreen button.

A digital watermark would be trivial to implement and retrieve as part of the home button + lock button shortcut process. Apple's had over a year of prerelease firmware leaks to deal with, I wouldn't be surprised if they put in some countermeasures to assign liability later.

 

[LCfiner]

A digital watermark would be trivial to implement and retrieve as part of the home button + lock button shortcut process. Apple's had over a year of prerelease firmware leaks to deal with, I wouldn't be surprised if they put in some countermeasures to assign liability later.

Apple insider also has screenshots up. i think the sites just got their hands on the OS and are taking the shots themselves.

if apple asks them to take them down, they'll deal with it then.

 

[mrkgoo]

A digital watermark would be trivial to implement and retrieve as part of the home button + lock button shortcut process. Apple's had over a year of prerelease firmware leaks to deal with, I wouldn't be surprised if they put in some countermeasures to assign liability later.

You mean on your computer?

 

[Sean]

A digital watermark would be trivial to implement and retrieve as part of the home button + lock button shortcut process. Apple's had over a year of prerelease firmware leaks to deal with, I wouldn't be surprised if they put in some countermeasures to assign liability later.

I really doubt Apple cares too much about screenshots of the OS being leaked. They made this video of the event public and invited the press to this event after all.

 

[MercuryLS]

Is there a video of this presentation anywhere yet?

 

[KolosLazar16]

Is there a video of this presentation anywhere yet?

http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/0903lajkszg/event/index.html

 

[Terrell]

Hmmm... no MMS for 1st gen because of hardware limitations, huh? Makes you think about what else Apple is outright lying about. Hmmm, oh well.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Can you guys recommend me some inexpensive cases? I need 2 things:

1: some sort of soft or hard case to shield my 3g from scratches, etc.

2: a carrying case with a belt clip that accomodates the 1st form fitting case.

 

[mrkgoo]

Hmmm... no MMS for 1st gen because of hardware limitations, huh? Makes you think about what else Apple is outright lying about. Hmmm, oh well.

from a macrumors post, take from it what you will:

"Originally Posted by MrCubes
I haven't read the whole thread as there are already around 400 comments now, but I did see quite a few people say, "MMS is not part of 3G".

Well, you're both right.
Kind of.

MMS predates 3G, for sure. I was working on MMS implementations for GSM and GPRS devices back in the early naughties. I even worked for a start-up who's business model was built around MMS-based apps - all before 3G was launched.

The trouble was it sucked. One of the things we spent a lot of time working on at the start-up was equalising all the differences between different implementations of MMS.

Also, after working at three different companies where I was involved with MMS implementations, I still struggled to actually send the damn things myself! I think I have successfully sent a total of two MMS outside of lab conditions in my life (I'm sure hard core MMS users will laugh at this, but it's true).

And when you did send them they were quirky, limited, awkward things that you realised you never wanted to use if you could help it. Why can't we use email instead? Oh yeah, phones don't support email (well, some did through tricky to use proxies and such)....

The 3G spec incorporated MMS and extended it a little. My involvement there was limited, so I can't go into too much detail but I believe some of the limitations were removed, and possibly the standard was tightened to remove too many implementation differences.

So my guess is that what Apple mean is that they have a complete 3G stack (which I believe was bought in) which includes 3G's MMS standard. They have just added the UI for this release so we can actually use it. But to support it on the 1st gen phone, which is theoretically possible, would require them to implement a whole parallel version of the MMS protocol (probably in-house), to a looser, and more problematic, spec.

So saying that it's a "different radio" is not strictly accurate, but not entirely out either. After all, it just summarises what I have spent a screenful of text explaining in two words "

 

[Phoenix]

I really doubt Apple cares too much about screenshots of the OS being leaked. They made this video of the event public and invited the press to this event after all.

They may not "care", but they have a legal obligation to go after people who break NDA. If you let the little stuff go, the courts won't uphold your NDA when you REALLY want to go after someone.

 

[Phoenix]

from a macrumors post, take from it what you will:

"Originally Posted by MrCubes
I haven't read the whole thread as there are already around 400 comments now, but I did see quite a few people say, "MMS is not part of 3G".

Well, you're both right.
Kind of.

MMS predates 3G, for sure. I was working on MMS implementations for GSM and GPRS devices back in the early naughties. I even worked for a start-up who's business model was built around MMS-based apps - all before 3G was launched.

The trouble was it sucked. One of the things we spent a lot of time working on at the start-up was equalising all the differences between different implementations of MMS.

Also, after working at three different companies where I was involved with MMS implementations, I still struggled to actually send the damn things myself! I think I have successfully sent a total of two MMS outside of lab conditions in my life (I'm sure hard core MMS users will laugh at this, but it's true).

And when you did send them they were quirky, limited, awkward things that you realised you never wanted to use if you could help it. Why can't we use email instead? Oh yeah, phones don't support email (well, some did through tricky to use proxies and such)....

The 3G spec incorporated MMS and extended it a little. My involvement there was limited, so I can't go into too much detail but I believe some of the limitations were removed, and possibly the standard was tightened to remove too many implementation differences.

So my guess is that what Apple mean is that they have a complete 3G stack (which I believe was bought in) which includes 3G's MMS standard. They have just added the UI for this release so we can actually use it. But to support it on the 1st gen phone, which is theoretically possible, would require them to implement a whole parallel version of the MMS protocol (probably in-house), to a looser, and more problematic, spec.

So saying that it's a "different radio" is not strictly accurate, but not entirely out either. After all, it just summarises what I have spent a screenful of text explaining in two words "

In other words, we really didn't want to implement the feature to begin with and we'll be damn if we end up supporting some shitty half-assed implementation for the 1G crowd when we'll likely convince them to upgrade with the summer update... and if they don't - we're not making any additional money on them so....

 

[maxmars]

Just wanted to brag about the application I've been developing for the iPhone, iTab.. It's gone live today.

http://linktoapp.com/iTab

It's tablature software for strings based instruments (such as guitar, bass) so probably is not of much interest around here, but it's a gaffer production nonetheless so I thought I could share.

 

[dallow_bg]

Argh!
I want to install this 3.0FW but want to keep my 3G unlocked as well.
I will have to wait.

 

[tengiants]

Just wanted to brag about the application I've been developing for the iPhone, iTab.. It's gone live today.

http://linktoapp.com/iTab

It's tablature software for strings based instruments (such as guitar, bass) so probably is not of much interest around here, but it's a gaffer production nonetheless so I thought I could share.

Bought!

I'm not a very good guitar player or anything but I can see this being handy as hell. Thanks!

 

[Blackhead]

I'm still not convinced spotlight is better than categories or (jailbreak) dock. I have over 50 apps and, honestly, don't always remember the name of the one I'm looking for. If I search for "game" will it turn up all the game apps?

Does MMS and the new Messages app work right off the bat? Or do you have to sign up for AT&T's special plan? Do audio, file, messages etc fall under the SMS plan or data charges?

 

[dallow_bg]

I'm still not convinced spotlight is better than categories or (jailbreak) dock. I have over 50 apps and, honestly, don't always remember the name of the one I'm looking for. If I search for "game" will it turn up all the game apps?

Does MMS and the new Messages app work right off the bat? Or do you have to sign up for AT&T's special plan? Do audio, file, messages etc fall under the SMS plan or data charges?

Well, it's not for organization, it's just to search.
And doesn't only search your apps.

It's kinda like quickgold on Cydia. (which is awesome)

 

[infiniteloop]

saw this on MR:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/18/usb-tethering-working-on-iphone-3-0/

One developer was "hacking around" with some carrier bundle files and iPhone 3.0 and somehow managed to activate the tethering preferences. Not only that, he was also able to actually tether his iPhone 3G to his laptop over USB. Based on the preference panel, it appears that you will be able to tether via USB or Bluetooth.

Tethering is a feature that allows you to share your iPhone's internet connection with your laptop, but has not been an allowed feature up until iPhone 3.0. Even with iPhone 3.0, mobile carriers generally charge an extra fee in the U.S. to allow tethering access.

Apple admitted that they had built in tethering support into the 3.0 release but had not yet coordinated with mobile carriers.

 

[LCfiner]

saw this on MR:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/18/usb-tethering-working-on-iphone-3-0/

One developer was "hacking around" with some carrier bundle files and iPhone 3.0 and somehow managed to activate the tethering preferences. Not only that, he was also able to actually tether his iPhone 3G to his laptop over USB. Based on the preference panel, it appears that you will be able to tether via USB or Bluetooth.

Tethering is a feature that allows you to share your iPhone's internet connection with your laptop, but has not been an allowed feature up until iPhone 3.0. Even with iPhone 3.0, mobile carriers generally charge an extra fee in the U.S. to allow tethering access.

Apple admitted that they had built in tethering support into the 3.0 release but had not yet coordinated with mobile carriers.

hot stuff. i like the two options. over BT is gonna be sweet for quick connections.

I have to wonder how hard it'll be to enable this if it's blocked by default by the carrier...

 

[dskillzhtown]

In other words, we really didn't want to implement the feature to begin with and we'll be damn if we end up supporting some shitty half-assed implementation for the 1G crowd when we'll likely convince them to upgrade with the summer update... and if they don't - we're not making any additional money on them so....

That doesn't sound that unreasonable to me. Given the choice of a half-assed implementation that people will bitch about and not giving them anything, I would not give them anything. Doesn't hurt that they moght be enticed to pick up a 3G as a result.

 

[Slurpy]

I fail to comprehend why this isn't on the torrents yet. Epic fail.

 

[giga]

I fail to comprehend why this isn't on the torrents yet. Epic fail.

doesn't matter either way, you'll need to be a dev any how to use the firmware. (iphone must be registered as dev)

 

[Keylime]

So anyone have any experience with earbuds with a microphone?

Looking to get a good set of earbuds to use at the office to seamlessly take calls as I listen to my music.

Good/Great sound quality preferable.

Thanks in advance!

Just an update. After doing some research I ended up going to the Apple store and picking up the V-Moda Vibe II's.

Initial impressions:

- Sound quality as far as music goes is very good. Bassy songs produce a lot of presence without distorting. Trebly songs sound clear and bright. Solid set of in-ears.

- Microphone seems good. Have had a few calls since I got them and no one's mentioned anything out of the normal. Will need more time with them to know for sure. A bit weird to talk with the in-ears in, as you can't tell just how loud you are. Something I'll get used to, but I had to actively think about the volume of my voice during the conversation to make sure I wasn't shouting or whispering.

- Volume during calls is fine. People sound a bit distant, but very clear. Since they are in-ear this didn't feel like an issue as I heard everything they said clearly.

- Cable is likely going to get tangled like crazy the and supplied carrying case will only increase this problem. I don't plan to travel with them, however if I did this would likely be an annoyance.

- Tons...TONS of options for the bud caps. 4 sizes in both white or black, so you even get spares for whatever size you like. Not sure if the materials are different.

Initial impressions are that they are very good. Will report back if anything bad happens down the road.

Fun Apple store anecdote:

When I bought the buds and tried them outside the store, they didn't work. I wasn't able to get the iPhone to recognize that there was a headset plugged into it. I assumed it was my iPhone as I've sensed this issue in the past.

I bring it into the store and a dude asks me if he could help out. I explain my situation and after trying my buds on another iPhone, we realize that it's an issue with my phone. He takes my phone in back and hits the jack with some compressed air and brings it out...problem solved.

Him: Yeah, sometimes there's just gunk that gets in there.
Me: That's got to be great for you...like a confetti of earwax and dust.
Him (suddenly somber): There's been some real horror stories...

The way he said that last line and the look he gave me just seemed so intense that I couldn't even push myself to ask him what he meant :lol

 

[Crazymoogle]

I just use the Shure dongle. That way, any 3.5mm set works, particularly the sony's that use a short cut cable with an extension, and if cable dies around the plug (as many do), I can just replace the dongle and not the entire set of headphones.

 

[Juice]

doesn't matter either way, you'll need to be a dev any how to use the firmware. (iphone must be registered as dev)

Yeah, I didn't check, but I imagine anything that installs it would need a valid provisioning certificate.

 

[Tobor]

*snip* V-Moda Vibe II's *snip*

I didn't like them at all. I ended up returning them and purchasing the Apple in ear buds, which sound better, are cheaper, and don't look like jewelry.

EDIT: I bought the Vibe Duo's. The ones you're talking about are the newer ones.

 

[Terrell]

from a macrumors post, take from it what you will:

"Originally Posted by MrCubes
I haven't read the whole thread as there are already around 400 comments now, but I did see quite a few people say, "MMS is not part of 3G".

Well, you're both right.
Kind of.

MMS predates 3G, for sure. I was working on MMS implementations for GSM and GPRS devices back in the early naughties. I even worked for a start-up who's business model was built around MMS-based apps - all before 3G was launched.

The trouble was it sucked. One of the things we spent a lot of time working on at the start-up was equalising all the differences between different implementations of MMS.

Also, after working at three different companies where I was involved with MMS implementations, I still struggled to actually send the damn things myself! I think I have successfully sent a total of two MMS outside of lab conditions in my life (I'm sure hard core MMS users will laugh at this, but it's true).

And when you did send them they were quirky, limited, awkward things that you realised you never wanted to use if you could help it. Why can't we use email instead? Oh yeah, phones don't support email (well, some did through tricky to use proxies and such)....

The 3G spec incorporated MMS and extended it a little. My involvement there was limited, so I can't go into too much detail but I believe some of the limitations were removed, and possibly the standard was tightened to remove too many implementation differences.

So my guess is that what Apple mean is that they have a complete 3G stack (which I believe was bought in) which includes 3G's MMS standard. They have just added the UI for this release so we can actually use it. But to support it on the 1st gen phone, which is theoretically possible, would require them to implement a whole parallel version of the MMS protocol (probably in-house), to a looser, and more problematic, spec.

So saying that it's a "different radio" is not strictly accurate, but not entirely out either. After all, it just summarises what I have spent a screenful of text explaining in two words "

So wouldn't everyone have to say how horrible SwirlyMMS works for this to be valid? Anyone who actually uses it want to make a comment about how much of a steaming turd it is?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

So wouldn't everyone have to say how horrible SwirlyMMS works for this to be valid? Anyone who actually uses it want to make a comment about how much of a steaming turd it is?

I haven't used it myself, but have read plenty of reports that it's spotty at best. I've seen a few people who have installed it an their first posts were asking for help because it wasn't working. Of course there could be tons of people who aren't posting anything at all because it's working just fine.

 

[Blackhead]

I haven't used it myself, but have read plenty of reports that it's spotty at best. I've seen a few people who have installed it an their first posts were asking for help because it wasn't working. Of course there could be tons of people who aren't posting anything at all because it's working just fine.

Many of those first posts asking for help are because AT&T doesn't enable MMS for those plans and you have to call them to set it up. I've heard it works reasonably well once your carrier recognizes that your line is allowed to receive MMS.

 

[Phoenix]

Yeah, I didn't check, but I imagine anything that installs it would need a valid provisioning certificate.

Dude... did you see the CoreData stuff? ;D

 

[xabre]

When's this 3.0 out?

 

[DarkJC]

Anyone can install the 3.0 beta software, but iTunes won't activate the phone unless your device ID is registered with Apple.

 

[Phoenix]

When's this 3.0 out?

"At some point this summer"

There is a LOT os stuff in 3.0... after going through the docs there is a lot lot lot lot of stuff that they didn't even mention in their announcements. Quite excited. Going to be a fun summer.

 

[mrkgoo]

"At some point this summer"

There is a LOT os stuff in 3.0... after going through the docs there is a lot lot lot lot of stuff that they didn't even mention in their announcements. Quite excited. Going to be a fun summer.

Chances are at the release of the next iPhone. Actually, maybe that's how they will drum up sales, they can release the new iphone first with the 3.0. But really, probably at the same time. The reason they don't want to announce a date is probably because it gives away the date for the next iPhone.

I just watched the media event. Spotlight on the iPhone is so much win.

 

[HoTHiTTeR]

So... is anyone here an iphone/apple developer program? Do you think it's worth the $99 to get early access to the beta fw's and such? Are there any other benefits besides the ability to develop apps? Is there any unlocking the beta firmwares do to/for your phone?

 

[mrkgoo]

So... is anyone here an iphone/apple developer program? Do you think it's worth the $99 to get early access to the beta fw's and such? Are there any other benefits besides the ability to develop apps? Is there any unlocking the beta firmwares do to/for your phone?

No, since I don't think you can restore your phone. It's for developers. Get it if you want to develop. C'mon, the firmware, when it's ready will be free. Don't pay $99 just to get a dodgy version early.

 

[Phoenix]

So... is anyone here an iphone/apple developer program? Do you think it's worth the $99 to get early access to the beta fw's and such? Are there any other benefits besides the ability to develop apps? Is there any unlocking the beta firmwares do to/for your phone?

If you're not planning to develop applications for the phone, stay far far away from the betas. I have had to go days at a time from some crappy firmware update or some mistake in authentication resetting my phone while I'm away and unable to authenticate. You gain nothing but pain and suffering if you pick this up early and you aren't planning to write apps.

 

[border]

3.0 still in testing -- don't pay for it, yikes.

 

[border]

Chances are at the release of the next iPhone.

f they were going to announce a new phone, wouldn't this have been the event to do it at? I took the non-announcement here to be essentially an affirmation that the current hardware is going to be everything you'll need for the forseeable future.....especially since all the features they announced were what everyone wanted for the "next version" of the phone anyway.

I can't imagine what they'd do for any kind of serious hardware upgrade, at this point. Maybe they might offer them in colors or do a "premium" version that has a better camera or something.....but a whole new revision seems unlikely.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

f they were going to announce a new phone, wouldn't this have been the event to do it at? I took the non-announcement here to be essentially an affirmation that the current hardware is going to be everything you'll need for the forseeable future.....especially since all the features they announced were what everyone wanted for the "next version" of the phone anyway.

I can't imagine what they'd do for any kind of serious hardware upgrade, at this point. Maybe they might offer them in colors or do a "premium" version that has a better camera or something.....but a whole new revision seems unlikely.

Not a whole new phone but just the updated revision he means. Like when they added 3G and stuff like that. When they release the probable 32gb phone this year and stuff like the firmware will probably be released.