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[DarkJC]

Took my iphone to the app store today, it had been broken for a week or two, found out that somehow, the logic board got fucking water on it, and thats not covered under warranty.

Anyone know any good places to get this shit repaired, I really don't want to pay 180 something dollars to void a warranty on a broken phone, and I'm not trying to buy a new one for 400 dollars either (When I originally got it for 200).

Edit : I can also just upgrade my moms phone, and get the 200 dollar discount again, but she was saving that, and I really think it would be a pain in the ass to have to use two fucking plans for one phone.

Does Apple not offer a repair service for out of warranty phones?

I honestly have no idea, just figured it would be like other companies where if the product is out of warranty, they'll still repair it for you if you pay them, and it's probably cheaper than getting a new phone.

 

[Kitschkraft]

Does Apple not offer a repair service for out of warranty phones?

I honestly have no idea, just figured it would be like other companies where if the product is out of warranty, they'll still repair it for you if you pay them, and it's probably cheaper than getting a new phone.

No my phone isn't out of warranty, I have like 170 days left. WATER damage is not covered by the warranty. Apparently, water got on my logic board.

It's a real shitty situation, as I didn't do anything to the phone, the screen just started fucking up one day. It was raining that day, so maybe I accidentally got water in it, but I certainly didn't mistreat it, and I'm pretty bummed out that Apple has this policy.

The guy at the App store told me there was nothing he could do, that I HAD to get a new phone, or look into some independent places that will fix it.

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

I opened the file with the stanza desktop and keept it on and then I switch on the phone and use the stanza to search nothing comes up..


I did NOT save anything in the stanza desktop program... do I have to do that??

So how about the other way around? Start searching on the phone and then open the desktop app while it's searching.

I'm pretty sure you just have some ridiculous firewall stopping it.

 

[Slurpy]

So guys, looks like the last remaining missing features of 3.0 may, in fact, be coming.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.html

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

This will just make people start crying about how they can't have video wallpapers.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

This will just make people start crying about how they can't have video wallpapers.

:lol Sadly this is probably true.

If they actually add taking video and a 3.0 or high camera and it's not like obnoxiously expensive I will buy it the day it comes out.

 

[Terrell]

At least your predictions are closer to reality this time.

We are getting hardware bumps this summer by the way, it's a lock, it just depends on what your definition of significant is.

Well, a new main board with enhanced chipsets and RAM sounds nice on paper, but that's not a new feature that will be readily visible to a consumer. A performance bump, some component changes that don't add functions, new casing and 32GB option is all I expect for the summer. iPhone 3G (Mid-2009), so to speak, rather than a new model branding.

With that said, if Apple is committed to making "the best cell phone on the market", as suggested in the quote LCfiner dug up much earlier, this would mean that Apple will be required to abandon AT&T when their exclusivity contract is up, because you can't have the best cell phone on the market still operating on 3G when LTE hits the scene. Even preliminary tests of LTE right now make 3G look like a joke.

And since most of the 3.0 software takes care of the major issues people had with iPhone, why not have some fun and ask this question: what do you want for new hardware features in a "significant" hardware upgrade from Apple, looking beyond storage and CPU bumps?

 

[Tobor]

Well, a new main board with enhanced chipsets and RAM sounds nice on paper, but that's not a new feature that will be readily visible to a consumer. A performance bump, some component changes that don't add functions, new casing and 32GB option is all I expect for the summer. iPhone 3G (Mid-2009), so to speak, rather than a new model branding.

With that said, if Apple is committed to making "the best cell phone on the market", as suggested in the quote LCfiner dug up much earlier, this would mean that Apple will be required to abandon AT&T when their exclusivity contract is up, because you can't have the best cell phone on the market still operating on 3G when LTE hits the scene. Even preliminary tests of LTE right now make 3G look like a joke.

And since most of the 3.0 software takes care of the major issues people had with iPhone, why not have some fun and ask this question: what do you want for new hardware features in a "significant" hardware upgrade from Apple, looking beyond storage and CPU bumps?

You missed the part of my post where I said "it depends on what your definition of significant is."

32GB, matte black aluminum, and a better camera is what I would consider that a significant upgrade.

You toss away storage as irrelevant, but what other phone on the market has 32GB memory built in right now?

 

[Terrell]

You missed the part of my post where I said "it depends on what your definition of significant is."

32GB, matte black aluminum, and a better camera is what I would consider that a significant upgrade.

You toss away storage as irrelevant, but what other phone on the market has 32GB memory built in right now?

I consider changes to existing tech in the phone to not be "significant". It's expected that such a thing will happen and it's just more of the same. A case change is purely aesthetics and doesn't add a functionality increase. A better camera, though, THAT is something that could be considered significant, hence why I didn't list it. I also don't think we're getting that in this summer's release. I'm expecting a bog-standard hardware upgrade with a new case, NO new hardware functions and I don't consider a standard and expected upgrade path for the device to be "significant" changes. I'm sure this is just a difference in opinion, but the word that comes to mind for this summer update is "incremental". Since this phone's introduction, incremental updates to hardware seem to be doing it just fine (3G and GPS tread a fine line as "significant incremental" upgrades) since the bulk of its best and most significant changes have been entirely software-based.

It's my personal belief that "significant" changes to the hardware will not occur until after the AT&T contract is up and they have more options for wider distribution, including fully unlocked devices. There's still the off chance that they'll make bigger changes this summer, but I honestly don't see it happening.

To clarify, I consider "significant" hardware upgrades to be things that add features, such as:

- NFC chips to add "mobile wallet" functions
- camera capable of video functions, with flash
- removable batteries (likely never to happen, but it would still qualify were it to happen)
- SD storage upgrade functionality (there are ways they can do this that won't totally bypass iTunes syncing)

Not to mention further upgrades that fall into the "incremental" category but increase functionality in dramatic ways, such as:

- OLED screens that extend battery life by great leagues and allow for smaller form factors
- LTE
- 802.11n-capable Wi-Fi


.... but yeah, this is just my opinion.

 

[KingJ2002]

AT&T is jumping on the LTE bandwagon in 2010 with a nationwide rollout in 2011.

but i can see apple supporting verizon as well... sprint kid of out of the loop supporting WiMAX... and t-mobile... i have no clue about... they just got on the 3G bandwagon.

as far as the ipone update... i hope they make the homescreen transparent so people can use wallpapers.

and a 32GB option would be nice.

...

if they really want to shock and awe people with the new version and step ahead of the pre... they should a front facing camera w/ video share in the mix.... it's a feature that's been in europe for awhile... but not done well in the states.

add that... and the iphone would be the "jesus phone" once again.

 

[Tobor]

I consider changes to existing tech in the phone to not be "significant". It's expected that such a thing will happen and it's just more of the same. A case change is purely aesthetics and doesn't add a functionality increase. A better camera, though, THAT is something that could be considered significant, hence why I didn't list it. I also don't think we're getting that in this summer's release. I'm expecting a bog-standard hardware upgrade with a new case, NO new hardware functions and I don't consider a standard and expected upgrade path for the device to be "significant" changes. I'm sure this is just a difference in opinion, but the word that comes to mind for this summer update is "incremental". Since this phone's introduction, incremental updates to hardware seem to be doing it just fine (3G and GPS tread a fine line as "significant incremental" upgrades) since the bulk of its best and most significant changes have been entirely software-based.

It's my personal belief that "significant" changes to the hardware will not occur until after the AT&T contract is up and they have more options for wider distribution, including fully unlocked devices. There's still the off chance that they'll make bigger changes this summer, but I honestly don't see it happening.

To clarify, I consider "significant" hardware upgrades to be things that add features, such as:

- NFC chips to add "mobile wallet" functions
- camera capable of video functions, with flash
- removable batteries (likely never to happen, but it would still qualify were it to happen)
- SD storage upgrade functionality (there are ways they can do this that won't totally bypass iTunes syncing)

Not to mention further upgrades that fall into the "incremental" category but increase functionality in dramatic ways, such as:

- OLED screens that extend battery life by great leagues and allow for smaller form factors
- LTE
- 802.11n-capable Wi-Fi


.... but yeah, this is just my opinion.

Removable batteries and SD card storage are never going to happen as long as Jobs draws breath, and he probably has a clause in his will for after that.

 

[Terrell]

AT&T is jumping on the LTE bandwagon in 2010 with a nationwide rollout in 2011.
but i can see apple supporting verizon as well... sprint kid of out of the loop supporting WiMAX... and t-mobile... i have no clue about... they just got on the 3G bandwagon.

Funny, their VP of architecture says LTE is 2-3 years off, which if you're Apple and want to keep your device relevant, LTE is essential. They probably won't stop doing business with AT&T, but I think their next major hardware isn't going to launch with them. And as I said, beyond AT&T, Apple's partners around the world are trying to make the LTE jump as soon as possible, so it's a good idea to have something really hot ready to go.

Removable batteries and SD card storage are never going to happen as long as Jobs draws breath, and he probably has a clause in his will for after that.

Batteries, yeah, I can agree, it's so unlikely that it's funny.
SD card storage, though? It COULD happen. I could see limitations, though, like only allowing you to use it for the camera roll/video reel and letting you take it out to upload that data to other devices. The synced iTunes stuff would have to stay internal on the main board storage. It'd make it no less secure than it is now, what with Wi-Fi giving us SSH functions to do whatever the hell we want to the filesystem, so it's not like Apple has much to be concerned about with this feature being exploited, the system is exploited enough via jailbreak as it is.
With the amount of capacity that video recordings and higher-megapixel photos can be, I'd almost be willing to say that we won't see an upgraded camera without some form of removable storage.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Funny, their VP of architecture says LTE is 2-3 years off, which if you're Apple and want to keep your device relevant, LTE is essential. They probably won't stop doing business with AT&T, but I think their next major hardware isn't going to launch with them. And as I said, beyond AT&T, Apple's partners around the world are trying to make the LTE jump as soon as possible, so it's a good idea to have something really hot ready to go.


Batteries, yeah, I can agree, it's so unlikely that it's funny.
SD card storage, though? It COULD happen. I could see limitations, though, like only allowing you to use it for the camera roll/video reel and letting you take it out to upload that data to other devices. The synced iTunes stuff would have to stay internal on the main board storage. It'd make it no less secure than it is now, what with Wi-Fi giving us SSH functions to do whatever the hell we want to the filesystem, so it's not like Apple has much to be concerned about with this feature being exploited, the system is exploited enough via jailbreak as it is.
With the amount of capacity that video recordings and higher-megapixel photos can be, I'd almost be willing to say that we won't see an upgraded camera without some form of removable storage.

I don't agree with needing sd to have an upgraded camera. The amount of capacity is irrelevant since you're not going to be buying 16gb sd cards or using your camera that much anyhow. So they're never going to update the camera but still be the best phone in town? Seems pretty counterproductive, especially with the size of the internal memory they keep uping and with a suspected 32gb on it's way.

 

[Tobor]

Funny, their VP of architecture says LTE is 2-3 years off, which if you're Apple and want to keep your device relevant, LTE is essential. They probably won't stop doing business with AT&T, but I think their next major hardware isn't going to launch with them. And as I said, beyond AT&T, Apple's partners around the world are trying to make the LTE jump as soon as possible, so it's a good idea to have something really hot ready to go.


Batteries, yeah, I can agree, it's so unlikely that it's funny.
SD card storage, though? It COULD happen. I could see limitations, though, like only allowing you to use it for the camera roll/video reel and letting you take it out to upload that data to other devices. The synced iTunes stuff would have to stay internal on the main board storage. It'd make it no less secure than it is now, what with Wi-Fi giving us SSH functions to do whatever the hell we want to the filesystem, so it's not like Apple has much to be concerned about with this feature being exploited, the system is exploited enough via jailbreak as it is.
With the amount of capacity that video recordings and higher-megapixel photos can be, I'd almost be willing to say that we won't see an upgraded camera without some form of removable storage.

Nope. Jobs HATES removeable storage in portable devices. It's never been allowed in any iPod, and it won't be allowed in any iPhone. It's not about security, it's about controlling the user experience and keeping it as uncomplicated as possible.

It's just as laughable as we agree a removable battery is. Fuhgeddaboutit.

 

[Terrell]

I don't agree with needing sd to have an upgraded camera. The amount of capacity is irrelevant since you're not going to be buying 16gb sd cards or using your camera that much anyhow. So they're never going to update the camera but still be the best phone in town? Seems pretty counterproductive, especially with the size of the internal memory they keep uping and with a suspected 32gb on it's way.

Aren't people complaining about 16GB being "not enough" right now? Think that's not going to get exponentially worse when people are taking videos from their phones or the file size for photos grows as the megapixels do?
But whether they decide to include it or not is irrelevant, I can only say it's not a total impossibility.
And Tobor? We can't compare what Apple has done with iPods as a measure of what is and isn't allowed for the iPhone, since an iPhone does so many other things that even the iPod touch can't do. And if it's about making it "uncomplicated", I'd consider it frustrating if I went to take a video and it cut out because I ran out of writable space. Hard to argue that's not a complication.

The point was using it as an EXAMPLE, anyways.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Aren't people complaining about 16GB being "not enough" right now? Think that's not going to get exponentially worse when people are taking videos from their phones or the file size for photos grows as the megapixels do?
But whether they decide to include it or not is irrelevant, I can only say it's not outside of impossibility.

Ya, but you're going to add a 4 or 8gb stick and the room problems will go away? I would think you would just get the 32gb instead and most of the people complaining about space want their iphone to be an ipod classic which it can't be currently.

 

[Tobor]

Aren't people complaining about 16GB being "not enough" right now? Think that's not going to get exponentially worse when people are taking videos from their phones or the file size for photos grows as the megapixels do?
But whether they decide to include it or not is irrelevant, I can only say it's not outside of impossibility.
And Tobor? We can't compare what Apple has done with iPods as a measure of what is and isn't allowed for the iPhone, since an iPhone does so many other things that even the iPod touch can't do. And if it's about making it "uncomplicated", I'd consider it frustrating if I went to take a video and it cut out because I ran out of writable space. Hard to argue that's not a complication.

I'm willing to bet one of the reasons we didn't get video right off the bat was due to storage.
32GB will be enough.

I know you like to discount or ignore the way Apple designs products when you speculate, but it's important if you want to speculate realistically. iPod not a good enough example? 2 previous models of iPhone not good enough examples? OK, let's look at the Mac line, where Apple also refuses to build in memory card slots, despite almost every competitor doing so. Apple would remove the optical drive across the entire line if they thought the market was ready for it.

 

[Terrell]

I'm willing to bet one of the reasons we didn't get video right off the bat was due to storage.
32GB will be enough.

I know you like to discount or ignore the way Apple designs products when you speculate, but it's important if you want to speculate realistically. iPod not a good enough example? 2 previous models of iPhone not good enough examples? OK, let's look at the Mac line, where Apple also refuses to build in memory card slots, despite almost every competitor doing so. Apple would remove the optical drive across the entire line if they thought the market was ready for it.

Once again, I will state it was an example and I don't actually want or need removable storage. So the concept of it alone poses no vested interest for me. This is a devil's advocate moment, and, once again, used it for the purpose of example to demonstrate an earlier point.
But to continue, the previous models of iPhone didn't allow for content creation that is, by its nature, a storage hog. If people want an iPhone that takes videos, storage becomes a major concern, even for people who use the device's currently available storage conservatively. Between larger and more apps, iPod contents, locally stored emails, the inclusion of MMS bringing larger amounts and variations of content into the phone itself... should the creation of videos on the phone itself become a factor, then storage, even at 32GB, could start to become a problem for a lot of people who don't sync their created and stored content in the other direction. And there's a lot more of them than people think. Just saying.

 

[LCfiner]

Terrel, you're a good poster but you have the absolute worst intuition about Apple product design. :lol

They really don't think the way you do at all.

Just look at Apple's history with consumer electronics the past 10 years and it becomes clear.

there will be:

No iPhone with a removable battery.
No iPhone with removable storage
No iPhone with cut down internet connectivity or an inability to access the App Store.


I don't think I'm making a risky statement, either...

 

[Tobor]

Once again, I will state it was an example and I don't actually want or need removable storage. So the concept of it alone poses no vested interest for me. This is a devil's advocate moment, and, once again, used it for the purpose of example to demonstrate an earlier point.
But to continue, the previous models of iPhone didn't allow for content creation that is, by its nature, a storage hog. If people want an iPhone that takes videos, storage becomes a major concern, even for people who use the device's currently available storage conservatively. Between larger and more apps, iPod contents, locally stored emails, the inclusion of MMS bringing larger amounts and variations of content into the phone itself... should the creation of videos on the phone itself become a factor, then storage, even at 32GB, could start to become a problem for a lot of people who don't sync their created and stored content in the other direction. And there's a lot more of them than people think. Just saying.

The cloud appears to be your answer. Look at the Engadget photos showing an "Upload video" screen they stumbled onto in the beta software. The AT&T rumors seem to back this up.

They could lock off video at 2GB max and that would be more than enough for most people. My sister's Flip camera shoots at about 1GB an hour, for example. It only has 2GB total memory, and it's never been a problem for her. 32GB is plenty for the market we're talking about. 16GB is probably fine. They're not shooting feature films with it.

 

[Terrell]

The cloud appears to be your answer. Look at the Engadget photos showing an "Upload video" screen they stumbled onto in the beta software. The AT&T rumors seem to back this up.

They could lock off video at 2GB max and that would be more than enough for most people. My sister's Flip camera shoots at about 1GB an hour, for example. It only has 2GB total memory, and it's never been a problem for her. 32GB is plenty for the market we're talking about. 16GB is probably fine. They're not shooting feature films with it.

The cloud is MobileMe. Do we really need to get into how many people don't use MobileMe and have no intention of paying for it? An SD card that they keep forever seems better to some people than a $99 yearly subscription.
And I also doubt a flip phone is recording video that features the kind of resolution iPhone does, either.

 

[Tobor]

The cloud is MobileMe. Do we really need to get into how many people don't use MobileMe and have no intention of paying for it? An SD card that they keep forever seems better to some people than a $99 yearly subscription.
And I also doubt a flip phone is recording video that features the kind of resolution iPhone does, either.

Not a flip phone, a Flip Camera. You know, a Flip? They're incredibly popular right now. I bought my sister a Flip mino for Christmas. It has 2GB of internal storage with no removable memory card slot(gasp!) and it will shoot 60 minutes of video.

And you're right, it doesn't shoot at the same resolution as the iPhone. It's 640x480. They have an HD model that will shoot 60 min of 1280x720 in 4GB.

http://www.theflip.com/products_flip_ultra_specs.II.shtml

So again, 32GB is more than enough to include video alongside the other functionality in the iPhone.

I don't disagree with you on the Mobile Me thing, but that's what Apple will say solves the problem. They're trying to sell subscriptions after all, not SD cards.

 

[Terrell]

Not a flip phone, a Flip Camera. You know, a Flip? They're incredibly popular right now. I bought my sister a Flip mino for Christmas. It has 2GB of internal storage with no removable memory card slot(gasp!) and it will shoot 60 minutes of video.

And you're right, it doesn't shoot at the same resolution as the iPhone. It's 640x480. They have an HD model that will shoot 60 min of 1280x720 in 4GB.

http://www.theflip.com/products_flip_ultra_specs.II.shtml

So again, 32GB is more than enough to include video alongside the other functionality in the iPhone.

I don't disagree with you on the Mobile Me thing, but that's what Apple will say solves the problem. They're trying to sell subscriptions after all, not SD cards.

Fine, I concede defeat over something I didn't even want.
And it's great that this had to go off on a tangent about what Apple won't do instead of talking about what it will, which was the whole point of this purely theoretical feature being brought up in the first place. Oh well, so much for positive forward-thinking discussion on the future of the product.

 

[Tobor]

Fine, I concede defeat over something I didn't even want.
And it's great that this had to go off on a tangent about what Apple won't do instead of talking about what it will, which was the whole point of this purely theoretical feature being brought up in the first place. Oh well, so much for positive forward-thinking discussion on the future of the product.

:lol Don't get me wrong, I'm super psyched about getting a new iPhone this summer, I'm just trying to be realistic.

On the positive side, we'll most likely get the 32GB bump, video recording, and all the goodies from 3.0. I also think we'll get a return to the aluminum shell and maybe the rumored premium games service.

Super wild card probably not going to happen items: increased resolution and OLED. That's about it.

 

[LCfiner]

based on the internal iphone revision numbers, I think we can assume a faster processor, perhaps faster graphics and hopefully more RAM for running apps without crashing. it may be transparent to the end user but, for apple, this is a major rev type of change. (see ipod touch 1,1 and ipod touch 2,1 (faster proc, speaker, BT, etc)

video recording and uploading seems like a sure bet.

front facing camera is a wild card. Apple could add it to keep the ichat video thing they have going but i bet it would be limited to wifi at first... the 3G network is probably not going to provide a good experience for this.

there were rumors of the iphone adding a digital compass to enhance street view and give more options to apps and core location.

all in all, i doubt we'll ever see revolutionary changes in the iphone design aside from faster processing, faster networking and more options for communication (video instead of voice)

it's all about the software. the OS revs will keep Apple competitive more so than new hardware designs.


slightly off topic. i had an idea as to how apple could create (sort of) the iphone nano you talked about months ago. except it wouldn't be a phone. it would be an ipod nano.

take the ipod nano and replace the clickwheel and screen with the touchscreen. instead of positioning it as a low end ipod touch/ iphone, it would be an uber ipod nano. as such, there wouldn't be expectations of app store compatibility since it's just a new UI on the nano.

probably won't happen, of course, but i figure apple can only milk the clickwheel for so long before they migrate touch controls down the line.

 

[Blackhead]

Dock frustrating me again I've set up the right sunburst to show recently used apps but it doesn't show apps opened from inside a Categories folder - it just shows the folder they were in. It also doesn't show apps opened from SBsettings' dock. Is this something I can fix?

Glad to see someone made a "Rotation Inhibitor" SBsettings toggle I have too many toggles now, I have to start picking

I opened the file with the stanza desktop and keept it on and then I switch on the phone and use the stanza to search nothing comes up..


I did NOT save anything in the stanza desktop program... do I have to do that??

Have you tried creating a computer-to-computer wifi network with your laptop and connecting the iPhone to that? Also what Liu Kang.. said

 

[Terrell]

based on the internal iphone revision numbers, I think we can assume a faster processor, perhaps faster graphics and hopefully more RAM for running apps without crashing. it may be transparent to the end user but, for apple, this is a major rev type of change. (see ipod touch 1,1 and ipod touch 2,1 (faster proc, speaker, BT, etc)

video recording and uploading seems like a sure bet.

front facing camera is a wild card. Apple could add it to keep the ichat video thing they have going but i bet it would be limited to wifi at first... the 3G network is probably not going to provide a good experience for this.

there were rumors of the iphone adding a digital compass to enhance street view and give more options to apps and core location.

all in all, i doubt we'll ever see revolutionary changes in the iphone design aside from faster processing, faster networking and more options for communication (video instead of voice)

it's all about the software. the OS revs will keep Apple competitive more so than new hardware designs.


slightly off topic. i had an idea as to how apple could create (sort of) the iphone nano you talked about months ago. except it wouldn't be a phone. it would be an ipod nano.

take the ipod nano and replace the clickwheel and screen with the touchscreen. instead of positioning it as a low end ipod touch/ iphone, it would be an uber ipod nano. as such, there wouldn't be expectations of app store compatibility since it's just a new UI on the nano.

probably won't happen, of course, but i figure apple can only milk the clickwheel for so long before they migrate touch controls down the line.

See, this is cool hardware ideas, stuff that is plausible but dependent on demand and how much Apple is willing to spend to implement them based on its use. This was the discussion I was hoping for.

You're totally right, touchscreen devices, even in the lower end, are just the way things are moving towards. If it's going to happen, it will only happen when they can implement it in a durable way. Durability over the classic and the touch is one of the reasons people buy a nano, they feel less afraid that they'll break something. With the 4th gen nano having what appears to be a coated tempered glass, though, I think they aren't too far from moving in that direction. Just a matter of the cost analysis being in Apple's favor at this point.


And yeah, what would you guys say to a NFC chip to bring "mobile wallet" to North America? With a hardware manufacturer like Apple pushing the tech into the limelight for many consumers, it might finally give a feature like this a fair shake.

Or hey, wouldn't it be wild if Apple used a silver-zinc battery? Those things have wicked charge retention, could totally put the iPhone in a league of its own against competitors and remove any cries for battery swapping from the back bench (and, to appease you all, falls in line with Apple's design formula).

 

[DarkJC]

Didn't Apple go to plastic shell with the 3G specifically because of reception issues? Is there a reason behind the return to aluminum speculation, like the plastic not having a noticeable affect on reception, or what?

WATER damage is not covered by the warranty.

That's what I meant by out of warranty.

 

[bionic77]

Didn't Apple go to plastic shell with the 3G specifically because of reception issues? Is there a reason behind the return to aluminum speculation, like the plastic not having a noticeable affect on reception, or what?

That is what I thought as well and in my experience plastic phones do get the best reception.

Reception versus durability/appearance is what Apple has to choose between I guess.

 

[DarkJC]

That is what I thought as well and in my experience plastic phones do get the best reception.

Reception versus durability/appearance is what Apple has to choose between I guess.

It's not like the 3G is any more non-durable either, it just has more potential to look bad on the back due to scratches and fingerprints. I mean I could see Apple picking aesthetic over function, I'm just wondering if there was anything behind this speculation other than the traditional guessing.

 

[bionic77]

It's not like the 3G is any more non-durable either, it just has more potential to look bad on the back due to scratches and fingerprints. I mean I could see Apple picking aesthetic over function, I'm just wondering if there was anything behind this speculation other than the traditional guessing.

Plastic is definitely not a durable as any metal.

When you drop a metal phone it has a dent. When you drop a plastic phone the plastic can crack or chip off entirely.

Hopefully they came up with some kind of awesome composite that has the properties of metal and gets the same reception as plastic.

 

[Keylime]

Just an update. After doing some research I ended up going to the Apple store and picking up the V-Moda Vibe II's.

Further update:

Loving these things. Sound quality continues to be very nice and the bass continues to surprise me, which is usually a touchy area with buds.

The multi-function button is great for office use. When someone comes by to talk to me, just press the button once to pause. If I don't like the song I'm listening to I give it a double tap. Someone calls I give it a tap to answer. Conversation ends or I need to drop off a conference bridge, another single tap.

The cable length is just right. As a 6'1" person, I've occasionally run into headphone cables not reaching all the way down to my pocket with enough slack to be comfortable.

Only main gripe is the providing carrying pouch is essentially useless, and would have much preferred an Apple In-Ear style case.

Quite happy, though.

 

[DarkJC]

I have V-Moda Vibes, V-Moda has always been great in the bass department it seems, but personally I'd like some better highs. Maybe they improved this with the Vibe II.

 

[Keylime]

I have V-Moda Vibes, V-Moda has always been great in the bass department it seems, but personally I'd like some better highs. Maybe they improved this with the Vibe II.

Can't quite comment on the older set as this is my introduction to V-Moda, however the highs seem comparable to an older set of Shure's that I had. Even if it doesn't quite match it, it's still a dramatic improvement over the Zune premium buds or the Sony MDX's I used.

I always use "Hadouken! - Declaration of War Remix" as my test (found on their bonus tracks album), as it uses a very sharp sounding acoustic at the start of the song.

Sadly I don't have the Shure's anymore to do a side by side comparison.

 

[gigapower]

Did V-Moda improve the build quality withe Vibe IIs? The originals are notorious for falling apart at the point the cord meets the bud.

 

[Keylime]

Did V-Moda improve the build quality withe Vibe IIs? The originals are notorious for falling apart at the point the cord meets the bud.

Not sure, as I've only had them for about a week now.

They do have that rubber mesh thing covering the last centimeter of cable before it reaches the bud to prevent harsh bending, so perhaps that's an attempt to mitigate that issue. The cable is also wound in a lanyard weave which is said to improve cable durability (the website calls it Kevlar reinforced...sounds intense :lol )

Way too early to say, but it looks like they've put some thought to it.

 

[DarkJC]

Did V-Moda improve the build quality withe Vibe IIs? The originals are notorious for falling apart at the point the cord meets the bud.

Maybe I treat my vibes better than most, or maybe I got a lucky pair, but I use mine regularly and haven't noticed any problems with the connection, and I've had them at least a year and a half now

 

[drknite]

Soo...

Boy Genius Report details a source "pretty high up in AT&T's food chain" who reportedly shared several tidbits of information about the next-generation iPhone. While short on details beyond the addition of an iPhone application to control AT&T's U-verse suite of Internet-based products and services and more hints that the iPhone may see increased Wi-Fi browsing speeds up to 7.2 Mbps, the source's comments provide additional perspective on what may lie ahead.
- New iPhone announcement around mid-June
- New iPhone will be faster and have a more seamless experience unmatched by any device
- U-Verse iPhone application; will allow control of your home DVR (play, pause, rewind, etc.)
- The annual iPhone launch is "becoming a tradition."
- Nothing official is being confirmed, but they said that people should prep for an exciting time this summer.
- AT&T is said to be working with Apple to create a unified product with an unparalleled experience across all their products and services.
- Apple's 3.0 software should tell us where the iPhone platform is going.
- They said customers shouldn’t need to choose from AT&T's high-end devices because of features, they should choose based on preferences. The gap in capability should be filled with the new iPhone.
- Seems like the higher speed HSDPA (7.2Mbps) is being hinted at too which should confirm the earlier rumors of the new Infineon chipset.

The final comment from the source proves to be the most interesting and relates to the possibility of a $99 3G netbook arriving this summer, with the implication being that it may be an Apple product:
- The $99 3G netbook will start selling this summer, and the first one won’t be a Windows OS.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/23/more-details-on-next-generation-iphone-3g-netbook-due-this-summer/

 

[dskillzhtown]

- New iPhone will be faster and have a more seamless experience unmatched by any device
- U-Verse iPhone application; will allow control of your home DVR (play, pause, rewind, etc.)

Motherfucker...
Don't make me buy another iPhone this summer...

 

[Oni Jazar]

Motherfucker...
Don't make me buy another iPhone this summer...

Why do you want to control your DVR with your iPhone? Just use a remote!

 

[dskillzhtown]

Why do you want to control your DVR with your iPhone? Just use a remote!

Reportedly part of the application is to program the DVR from the phone as well. That is the main thing I want it for.

 

[Sean]

The U-Verse iPhone app makes it sound fake to me. Apple's not gonna include that as a default application, if anything it'd be something people would have to download from the AppStore.

 

[giga]

The final comment from the source proves to be the most interesting and relates to the possibility of a $99 3G netbook arriving this summer, with the implication being that it may be an Apple product:
- The $99 3G netbook will start selling this summer, and the first one won’t be a Windows OS.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

Why do you want to control your DVR with your iPhone? Just use a remote!

You can control it while you're not at home. I have DirecTV and can program my DVR from iPhone while I'm away from home. It's a handy feature.

The rumors of a Uverse App have been around for awhile now and the AT&T wireless CEO has even talked about it and how they'd like to integrate the iPhone with Uverse.

 

[Rekwest]

Why do you want to control your DVR with your iPhone? Just use a remote!

You can do that with I.TV app.

 

[border]

$99 Apple 3G netbook would be awesome -- I'm assuming that price could only happen with an AT&T subsidy that's contingent on a 2-3 year contract.

Can't you already get Dell netbooks for $99 or less if you sign on to an ATT&T Mobile Broadband contract?

 

[Kung Fu Jedi]

$99 Apple 3G netbook would be awesome -- I'm assuming that price could only happen with an AT&T subsidy that's contingent on a 2-3 year contract.

Can't you already get Dell netbooks for $99 or less if you sign on to an ATT&T Mobile Broadband contract?

I doubt that Apple would have a device for $99 but I guess you never know, but yeah, I've seen some great deals on netbooks when you sign up for Internet service.

 

[magus]

I can already control my DVR with my iphone. I use the DVR Remote app. Though it only works for Tivo Series 3 and Tivo HD.

It is pretty awesome too because I can use the iphone keyboard instead of using the onscreen tivo keyboard to search for new programs.

 

[perryfarrell]

The final comment from the source proves to be the most interesting and relates to the possibility of a $99 3G netbook arriving this summer, with the implication being that it may be an Apple product:
- The $99 3G netbook will start selling this summer, and the first one won’t be a Windows OS.

This last comment falsifies the whole blurb...:lol Apple will never sell such a product for $99.

 

[Soybean]

Non-Windows clearly means Linux. I don't know why anyone in the universe thinks there's even a one-one trillionth chance of this netbook, if it exists, being Apple. I hate that these fucking blogs make it seem even remotely possible it's an Apple product.