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VanMardigan said:
No, that's not it for me at all. My two year is up next year, and I want Apple to step its game up. Whatever happens, I'll look at all my options, and as of right now no one is even close, plus the fact that I have paid apps. But still, let's see where the phone market is next year, and what Apple offers. I don't see too many scenarios where I WON'T be an iPhone owner next year, but I'm certainly going to keep my options open.

My comments weren't really aimed at the GAF crowd, who generally value technology on a different level than many users. I meant the general cell phone crowd, who were use to buying a phone and then keeping it for five years or until it died and they'd be forced to get a new one. Suddenly the iPhone is on the market, and the feeling amongst that crowd is that they HAVE to update to the new one. Witness the outrage this year when people who bought the 3G last year couldn't get the subsidized price on the 3GS this year.

The iPhone has been a game changer for the industry on a number of different levels.
 
Solideliquid said:
Anyone have a chance to confirm the Twitter rumors of MMS being rolled out today?


Techcrunch and The Consumerist confirmed it with a bunch of users, it's random people in random locations getting turned on. It's really weird, but I understand why AT&T is doing it. AT&T hasn't confirmed or denied anything at this time, AFAIK.
 
YES!!

Two incredibly annoying bugs were finally fixed with the 3.1 OS:

-Podcasts losing their place after a sync
-E-mail reading location gets screwed up after receiving new mail
 
Perhaps this is a better question for the iTunes thread, but I'm curious if anyone has tried the new Home Sharing feature in iTunes to share App Store stuff with another person in the household? How does it work?
 
Chorazin said:
Techcrunch and The Consumerist confirmed it with a bunch of users, it's random people in random locations getting turned on. It's really weird, but I understand why AT&T is doing it. AT&T hasn't confirmed or denied anything at this time, AFAIK.

Yup. Apparently it will just "happen" once AT&T removes the opt-out code from your account. People with all different carrier bundle versions have reported having it show up out of the blue. I'm not sure how often the iPhone syncs carrier settings, but I imagine it's fairly often.
 
devildog820 said:
Yup. Apparently it will just "happen" once AT&T removes the opt-out code from your account. People with all different carrier bundle versions have reported having it show up out of the blue. I'm not sure how often the iPhone syncs carrier settings, but I imagine it's fairly often.


So how are you supposed to know if your account is activated? Do you just "check for updates" while the phone is plugged into iTunes?
 
Solideliquid said:
So how are you supposed to know if your account is activated? Do you just "check for updates" while the phone is plugged into iTunes?

Nope, your MMS will just have the little photo icon to the right of the text entry box in Messages.
 
Has anyone been experiencing problems with album art showing up on songs, when another album art should be there?

Hard to describe :/
 
Chorazin said:
Nope, your MMS will just have the little photo icon to the right of the text entry box in Messages.

Yup, and the update will happen whether or not you are on Wi-Fi, 3G, Edge, whatever. It will just start working.
 
I'm going to be getting an AT&T phone in about 2 months and I'm definitely getting the iPhone. Should I wait and see if something new is coming by December or just go for the 3GS?
 
Deadly Monk said:
I'm going to be getting an AT&T phone in about 2 months and I'm definitely getting the iPhone. Should I wait and see if something new is coming by December or just go for the 3GS?

Nothing new iPhone wise should be incoming by December. The current pattern appears to be new iPhones during June/July.
 
Deadly Monk said:
I'm going to be getting an AT&T phone in about 2 months and I'm definitely getting the iPhone. Should I wait and see if something new is coming by December or just go for the 3GS?

Every iPhone has been announced at WWDC in June. Original announcement, 3G, and 3GS. Aside from, I believe, the original iPhone's price drops nothing's occurred outside that time frame.
 
SnakeXs said:
Every iPhone has been announced at WWDC in June. Original announcement, 3G, and 3GS. Aside from, I believe, the original iPhone's price drops nothing's occurred outside that time frame.


the first 16 GB model showed up around Xmas time.

so there’s a chance (slim) of a 64 GB model showing up by the end of this year.
 
Malleymal said:
I'm not big with skype can some one tell me the benefits of using it?

The benefits of using over what, and for what?

Most people use it, because it's free to do voice calls with others using voice.

I am in the Us, and to call back a phone line to many other countries is now only 2c per minutes, which is literally a hundred times cheaper than using my cellphone.
 
From OLED to Tegra: 5 Myths of the Zune HD
Myth 1: OLED is a great display technology for mobile devices

First off, Microsoft gave the Zune HD a new OLED display. OLED is an interesting new technology that uses a layer of electroluminescent organic compounds, rather than the inorganic materials used in traditional LCDs, to produce an image. OLED panels don’t require a backlight, so they can render true blacks and provide a higher contrast ratio.

However, today’s OLED panels are much dimmer than standard issue LCDs: a typical maximum output of 200cd/m^2 compared to around 4-500 for mid-range LCDs. OLED also performs considerably worse in bright light because OLED is 100% emissive rather than being partially transflective.

A good quality LCD actually uses ambient light to make its image brighter and more vibrant; OLED does not. This means when you take it outside, the OLED’s screen is completely washed out by sunlight. Unless you only plan to use your mobile device in your dark basement, you don’t want one of today’s OLED screens, particularly on a mobile media player that you might expect to use on the go in various environments.

A shot in the dark

Microsoft knows this, which is why it only demonstrates the Zune HD in dark rooms. Engadget filmed a full demonstration, including the device’s incapacity to pull up a web page, in a suspiciously dark room without even noting this. There are actually candles visibly flickering in the video behind the device.

Microsoft sets up its demos in the dark because the Zune HD looks terrible outside, where its contrast ratio advantage observed in ideal conditions completely falls apart. Engadget’s other pictures of an OLED-using Sony Walkman show that without the candle-lit smoke and mirrors, OLED blacks are not black at all.

There are other problems with OLED. They don’t last long, because the electroluminescence layer degrades far more rapidly than regular LCDs. Component colors within OLED also die at different times, with the blue pixels fading first. This results in a rapid shift of the color balance as the device ages. Additionally, the original color reproduction gamut of brand new OLED displays is already worse than standard LCD, resulting in less natural-looking colors from the start that only get worse.

More power to ya

And despite the power savings attributed to OLED’s backlight-free design, OLEDs still use more power than LCD displays most of the time because the OLED technology consumes power based on how bright the image it is displaying is. Essentially, OLED is the backlight.

Sony and Microsoft try to compensate by giving their OLED devices a dark, mostly black user interface. Unless you will exclusively be using your Zune HD to watch gothic movies in the dark, the screen will be gobbling up more power than an LCD. This is particularly the case if you want to browse the web, which involves a lot of white space. Showing a white background, OLED consumes as much as 300% of the power of an LCD. Any colors that rely upon those those fragile blue pixels are particularly power inefficient.

And again, because OLED doesn’t use any ambient light to brighten its picture, as LCD does, 100% of the image comes from emitted light output, which requires a bigger drain on the battery. For this reason, reviewers of other OLED products have expressed puzzlement about why the supposedly efficient OLED technology didn’t translate into better battery life in actual use, as did the Register when looking at a Samsung s8000 Jet:

“Considering it’s got an energy-saving OLED screen, we were disappointed with the battery life of the Jet. Perhaps the powerful processor puts some extra drain on the juice, but the promised 180 minutes of talk time and 250 hours’ standby translated into a barely a day of moderate use.”

If you’re wondering why Apple, which sells tens of millions of mobile devices per year and has a component appetite that literally sways RAM markets, didn’t beat Microsoft, a company that barely sold a couple million Zunes in two years, to the OLED trough, it’s not because Microsoft is on the cutting edge, but because Microsoft is desperately looking for a marketable feature, whether or not that feature makes any sense for consumers.

Myth 2: NVIDIA’s Tegra processor leapfrogs existing mobile processors

Myth 3: Zune HD is mobile HD

Myth 4: Zune HD delivers high definition radio

Myth 5: Zune HD games and software will wow you

So… what's the next most requested feature we can harp on?
 
mrkgoo said:
I did not know any of this. This significantly sucks the wind from any sail that Zune HD had for me. I've been dying to see the Zune HD in person to see what the OLED on it is like. It has been a while since I've seen OLED in person.

I was always wondering why people were so high on the "HD" aspect of the device, despite its having a lower resolution. I mean... who really uses their mobile device as their HD video console anyway? I can't name one out of the 30 or 40 odd iPhone and iPod Touch owners I own who uses their device this way, or anyone else with devices who output video.

However, I was curious about OLED and have been for some time, but I've been wanting to see it in well lit conditions where I can play with it before I commit to anything with the technology. On a desktop monitor, it makes sense. You're probably going to be sitting there in the dark anyway, or a dimly lit room. On anything else, I can't see it serving much of a purpose until it becomes a better technology. If the article is to be believed, I'm now thankful that OLED was never on the tip of Apple's list.

As for the ARM processor... I always wondered why mobile devices have been using ARM for as long as they have. Now I know. Interesting article.
 
Alfarif said:
I was always wondering why people were so high on the "HD" aspect of the device, despite its having a lower resolution. I mean... who really uses their mobile device as their HD video console anyway? I can't name one out of the 30 or 40 odd iPhone and iPod Touch owners I own who uses their device this way, or anyone else with devices who output video.

However, I was curious about OLED and have been for some time, but I've been wanting to see it in well lit conditions where I can play with it before I commit to anything with the technology. On a desktop monitor, it makes sense. You're probably going to be sitting there in the dark anyway, or a dimly lit room. On anything else, I can't see it serving much of a purpose until it becomes a better technology. If the article is to be believed, I'm now thankful that OLED was never on the tip of Apple's list.

As for the ARM processor... I always wondered why mobile devices have been using ARM for as long as they have. Now I know. Interesting article.

I posted the same article in the Apple media thread.

What I found interesting was that HD Radio isn't high definition radio, but used to stand for Hybrid Digital, and there is nothing but the digital aspect left. Radio these days is put through so many compressors there is little point trying to get a 'better' signal out of it. It would be like trying to make a 128kbps MP3 sound better by using great headphones.

So there is little that is actually HD about the device, apart from it's ability to output 1280x720 video to a TV, which to be honest, sounds like a pretty pointless feature.
 
mrkgoo said:
I did not know any of this. This significantly sucks the wind from any sail that Zune HD had for me. I've been dying to see the Zune HD in person to see what the OLED on it is like. It has been a while since I've seen OLED in person.
so see the Zune HD in person. considering the source I'd rather just view the device and make up my own mind on the viability of the tech.

On a side note - just purchased this portable charger for my iphone and it works fantastic, especially for the price.
 
I got my iPhone 3GS 2 days ago. What an amazingly crafted and beautifully functional piece of technology. Now I'm wondering how I managed to live the last 2 years with my crap phones.

PS: Yes, I am willing to eat crow about the Nokia E71.
 
capslock said:
Err, okay, I haven't seen the Zune HD but that article sounds suspiciously like damage control from an Apple Fanboy.

You have to consider the source obviously, and the article has several snarky remarks in it, but overall it sounds well researched and fact based.

I find it more suspicious that both MS and Sony demoed their OLED players in candle lit rooms.
 
Burger said:
I posted the same article in the Apple media thread.

What I found interesting was that HD Radio isn't high definition radio, but used to stand for Hybrid Digital, and there is nothing but the digital aspect left. Radio these days is put through so many compressors there is little point trying to get a 'better' signal out of it. It would be like trying to make a 128kbps MP3 sound better by using great headphones.

So there is little that is actually HD about the device, apart from it's ability to output 1280x720 video to a TV, which to be honest, sounds like a pretty pointless feature.
Yeah, I listen to FM radio occasionally and the past few months have been inundated with vacuous ads urging listeners to get with HD Radio. The only feature I've been able to glean is that the station will send the name and info for the song being played. But there's an app for that (tm)

OLED was the one feature I was interested in because to my not-plugged-in, non-techie ears it was supposed to single-handedly solve the iPhone's battery problems. *sigh*

scorcho said:
so see the Zune HD in person. considering the source I'd rather just view the device and make up my own mind on the viability of the tech.

On a side note - just purchased this portable charger for my iphone and it works fantastic, especially for the price.
Good to know more Gaffers are recommending it. I've resolved to pick this up with a Griffin Reveal case instead of the Mophie Juice Air battery case I was hyped about (returned that after a day)

capslock said:
Err, okay, I haven't seen the Zune HD but that article sounds suspiciously like damage control from an Apple Fanboy.
:D You made it to the party. I see you're still loaded with all the baggage though. Don't be that guy:
what recent switchers mean by “Apple fanboy”: someone who bought a Mac before they did.


Accounting rule change in Apple's favor
A change in accounting rules for which Apple (AAPL) — among other high-tech companies — lobbied heavily won tentative approval last Thursday...

The new rules are in draft form and must still win final approval from the FASB — the organization empowered by the SEC to set accounting standards in the United States.

But they have the force of law. And they could put an end to iPhone subscription accounting, a balance-sheet sleight of hand required by the old rules that has confused analysts and investors from the day the iPhone hit the market.

Subscription accounting meant that Apple has been under-reporting earnings on its bestselling smartphone for two years — one of the factors, Apple bulls believe, that kept its share price from fully reflecting the success of one most profitable products Apple has ever made...

At the heart of the problem for Apple is its decision to offer iPhone owners free software updates from time to time — a practice that required its accountants to spread the revenue from iPhone sales over the life of a cellphone contract, typically two years...
Ars Technica say Accounting rules change could end iPod touch update fee
 
scorcho said:
so see the Zune HD in person. considering the source I'd rather just view the device and make up my own mind on the viability of the tech.

On a side note - just purchased this portable charger for my iphone and it works fantastic, especially for the price.
Speaking of portable battery chargers for the iPhone, I just received my FastMac TruePower iV today. I'm using it now, and so far it's everything I expected it would be.

For $100, it's the biggest iPhone battery on the market -3100mAh. I'm pretty sure that means I could charge an empty phone three times on a single charge. I also read to max out your battery charge, you should wait until your phone's battery is at a low battery warning (e.g., 20% battery) before charging with the external battery.

The Fastmac has a few other features that I love. It has a light which you can turn on when trying to take a picture with the iPhone in a low-light situation. Though I haven't used this yet to take a picture yet, the light is very bright. It also let's you charge a second USB device, so you could charge a Blackberry and your iPhone at the same time (and the battery is big enough to charge both). I also like that this battery charges with the standard USB cable, so you don't need a separate cable to charge it.

The downsides to the FastMac are the size. It's huge and bulky, eliminating the slim beauty of the original phone. I knew it would be bulky, but I wasn't expecting it to be this big. It more than doubles the width of the phone when you attach the battery to it. The price is also steep, compared to other batteries. Lastly, if you have a case on your phone, you likely have to remove it to charge with the Fastmac iV.

So the FastMac just charged my phone from 20% to full (I was using the phone while it was charging to talk for an hour, surf the web over wi-fi, and write this post). The FastMac battery is at 3 out of 4 LED's. Pretty impressive battery size. Has anyone else tried this battery? Anything I should know about it? Seems great for travel or if I'm going to record video for a long time.
 
What the hell happened to my SayWhere app?

It used to give me GPS-esqe navigation, now it just gives me a fucking map. I can do that without your app, sirs. No thank you.
 
LCfiner said:
I can’t take any article from roughlydrafted seriously.

I understand that he’s not necessarily pulling stuff form his ass but the writer is such a damn crazy fanboy that it’s all too one sided to be credible.
Be that as it may, this article isn't written by the proprietor of the site but by one of his associates. The article is loaded with 'facts'—only the fifth point is mostly framed by opinion. It shouldn't be that hard to evaluate each point, crosscheck if indeed all Microsoft's ZuneHD presentations have been in a low light setting, and decide if the main reason for Apple's lack of OLED adoption is the high component price as we've usually been told or the poor quality of the tech.

The Zune HD is already on sale, no need to lay charges of fanboyism when the device itself can provide more eloquent arguments (not really directed at you LC)
 
Charred Greyface said:
Be that as it may, this article isn't written by the proprietor of the site but by one of his associates. The article is loaded with 'facts'—only the fifth point is mostly framed by opinion. It shouldn't be that hard to evaluate each point, crosscheck if indeed all Microsoft's ZuneHD presentations have been in a low light setting, and decide if the main reason for Apple's lack of OLED adoption is the high component price as we've usually been told or the poor quality of the tech.

The Zune HD is already on sale, no need to lay charges of fanboyism when the device itself can provide more eloquent arguments (not really directed at you LC)

yeah, I understand. like, the stuff about OLED screens can be easily checked by anyone in a brightly lit store.

nevertheless, the timing of this article and the overwhelming negative content within is not something you'd see coming out of Macworld online or, heck, even Gruber.
 
LCfiner said:
yeah, I understand. like, the stuff about OLED screens can be easily checked by anyone in a brightly lit store.

nevertheless, the timing of this article and the overwhelming negative content within is not something you'd see coming out of Macworld online or, heck, even Gruber.

It just sounds so contrary. I still want to see it in person.

Anywya, my iPhone did something really weird today - it shut itself off. I mean, like completely powered down. Had to reboot by holding both home and sleep/wake. Which is worrying, because I have issues with ALOD. It did boot, but a few minutes later it did it again. After booting again, it now seems fine. But weird, nevertheless.
 
I've asked this before but didn't get any replies, I'm this time around someone would help me. Simply put: I have a sticky home button, is there a way to clean it without sending to apple?
 
Jinfash said:
I've asked this before but didn't get any replies, I'm this time around someone would help me. Simply put: I have a sticky home button, is there a way to clean it without sending to apple?
Not sure anyone can help you, to be honest.

You could always pry the whole thing part yourself and see where you get. Not recommended, however.
 
Is there any way to turn off the automatic switch to landscape view when you flip the iPhone (or iPod Touch in my case) around within certain applications? For example, I am listening to music and I put the iPod in my pocket. When I take it out it has switched to the landscape view and won't revert back to "portrait" view even though that is how I am now holding the iPod. Any way to turn that off?
 
dwin45 said:
Is there any way to turn off the automatic switch to landscape view when you flip the iPhone (or iPod Touch in my case) around within certain applications? For example, I am listening to music and I put the iPod in my pocket. When I take it out it has switched to the landscape view and won't revert back to "portrait" view even though that is how I am now holding the iPod. Any way to turn that off?

I used to have a nice Jailbreak app that stopped it, until I updated foolishly and now can't jailbreak. No way to do it without resorting to a jailbreak, I don't think. It drives me mad.
 
TheGreatDave said:
I used to have a nice Jailbreak app that stopped it, until I updated foolishly and now can't jailbreak. No way to do it without resorting to a jailbreak, I don't think. It drives me mad.
What a shame. It's one of my only complaints thus far with my Touch.
 
Apple is actively DRMing your iPhone firmware now, and requiring another level of online activation ? Sheeeaatt.

That is fucked up. I own my iPhone, I should be able to roll the firmware back to what ever version I damn well please. This shit wasn't in the damn release notes.
 
mrkgoo said:
It just sounds so contrary. I still want to see it in person.

Anywya, my iPhone did something really weird today - it shut itself off. I mean, like completely powered down. Had to reboot by holding both home and sleep/wake. Which is worrying, because I have issues with ALOD. It did boot, but a few minutes later it did it again. After booting again, it now seems fine. But weird, nevertheless.


one last thing about this OLED screen in bright conditions BS. There’s an unboxing video linked in the zune thread and they show off some video on the screen in an obviously well lit room.

looks gorgeous. does not look washed out at all.

so, yeah, I feel like that roughlydrafted article is pure FUD and BS (well, maybe only 90% BS).
 
LCfiner said:
one last thing about this OLED screen in bright conditions BS. There’s an unboxing video linked in the zune thread and they show off some video on the screen in an obviously well lit room.

looks gorgeous. does not look washed out at all.

so, yeah, I feel like that roughlydrafted article is pure FUD and BS (well, maybe only 90% BS).

I can believe it'll be fine in a well lit room, but sunshine is magnitudes brighter than a well lit room.
 
mrkgoo said:
I can believe it'll be fine in a well lit room, but sunshine is magnitudes brighter than a well lit room.

sunshine messes up normal LCD screens too so it’s not like I’m expecting it to be leagues worse.

again, it’s the details of the article that piss me off. the way they said how MS was only demoing the zune HD in dimly lit rooms because it wouldn’t hold up under normal lighting. implying that MS was hiding some dealbreaker performance issue with the display. Pure FUD.

I hate that shit.
 
LCfiner said:
sunshine messes up normal LCD screens too so it’s not like I’m expecting it to be leagues worse.

again, it’s the details of the article that piss me off. the way they said how MS was only demoing the zune HD in dimly lit rooms because it wouldn’t hold up under normal lighting. implying that MS was hiding some dealbreaker performance issue with the display. Pure FUD.

I hate that shit.

Yeah, that sucks.

Sunshine messes up LCDs too, yes, but the higher quality screen use a reflective backing to basically use the sun as a backlight (not great for blacks, lol), that's why you can still atlas see something outdoors. Remember the GBC and original GBA? they had reflective screens so they worked best in bright light.
 
Charred Greyface said:
Good to know more Gaffers are recommending it. I've resolved to pick this up with a Griffin Reveal case instead of the Mophie Juice Air battery case I was hyped about (returned that after a day)


Curious what your issues were with the Juice Air. I was interested in this product a while ago but in the end my iPhone use is such that I can get through the day with no problems on its own internal battery.

If I ever ran into problems, I was going to pick one up. Why'd you return it?
 
mrkgoo said:
Anywya, my iPhone did something really weird today - it shut itself off. I mean, like completely powered down. Had to reboot by holding both home and sleep/wake. Which is worrying, because I have issues with ALOD. It did boot, but a few minutes later it did it again. After booting again, it now seems fine. But weird, nevertheless.

I've had this issue today too, it really freaked me out. I kept trying to power it on and it wasn't working, I thought it died, then I tried the hard reset (home + sleep/wake button) and that did the trick.

I'm glad it wasn't just me. I would assume this is a bug in OS 3.1 update and not something hardware related with our iPhones.
 
Sean said:
I've had this issue today too, it really freaked me out. I kept trying to power it on and it wasn't working, I thought it died, then I tried the hard reset (home + sleep/wake button) and that did the trick.

I'm glad it wasn't just me. I would assume this is a bug in OS 3.1 update and not something hardware related with our iPhones.

Oh, it's not just us....

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=783122

Started happening to more or less a degree since 3.1. There's been so many bugs and crap with iTunes 9 and iPhone 3.1. Yeah, I know many new software upgrades comes with a share of headached, but there really are a lot in the last couple.
 
mrkgoo said:
Oh, it's not just us....

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=783122

Started happening to more or less a degree since 3.1. There's been so many bugs and crap with iTunes 9 and iPhone 3.1. Yeah, I know many new software upgrades comes with a share of headached, but there really are a lot in the last couple.

*Sigh* ... bring on 3.1.1 Apple :lol

First I had a weird quirk with 3.0 where sometimes it wouldn't recognize my finger swipe when unlocking the screen (would have to do it 2-3 times occasionally). That seemed to get fixed with 3.1 but now there's this crap. It's only happened to me once so far and I just hope it won't be a common occurrence.
 
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