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[hyperbertha]

Free sex saves you money but outside of a relationship paid sex is of a better quality. But you can't swap out your running mate in a relationship.

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Please explain

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

Don't tell me what to do.

 

[H4ze]

Who am I to judge? I would say, fuck as you want, as long as it is consensual.

 

[The Lunch Legend]

Are you offerin', op?

Only after a nice steak dinner.

I ain't no cheap ho

 

[E-Cat]

Divorcing sex and love/a healthy relationship, is tough. When I was younger it seemed like no issue, but as I got older I started to see how maybe it wasn’t so good. If sex is something you share with many people, it loses most of its meaning. And maybe that’s fine. It’s a choice you're making not to share something special with a person you want to spend your life with presumably. There are other things to share obviously, but sex can be a important one of those things. Just not if you’ve cheapened it by giving it away to anyone with a nice ass.

By the same logic, aren't you mentally cheating and/or cheapening your relationship every time you masturbate to porn? And if not, what's the reasoning behind being able to differentiate between masturbation and a healthy relationship, vs not being able to differentiate between casual sex and meaningful sex with someone you love?

IMO, sex w/ a casual person makes it casual. And sex with a meaningful person makes it meaningful. It has nothing to do with inflation from too much sex.

 

[Airola]

By the same logic, aren't you mentally cheating and/or cheapening your relationship every time you masturbate to porn? And if not, what's the reasoning behind being able to differentiate between masturbation and a healthy relationship, vs not being able to differentiate between casual sex and meaningful sex with someone you love?

You don't actually want the real answer to that.
Just because we have gotten used to being masturbating pervs doesn't mean it's a thing without issues and faults.

 

[E-Cat]

You don't actually want the real answer to that.
Just because we have gotten used to being masturbating pervs doesn't mean it's a thing without issues and faults.

>99% of men, and a whole lot of women, masturbate. Do we really want to label something so natural as deviant and/or perverted (and I mean not in a 'good way')?

Hell, my gf and I sometimes watch porn together.

 

[DeepBreath87]

By the same logic, aren't you mentally cheating and/or cheapening your relationship every time you masturbate to porn? And if not, what's the reasoning behind being able to differentiate between masturbation and a healthy relationship, vs not being able to differentiate between casual sex and meaningful sex with someone you love?

IMO, sex w/ a casual person makes it casual. And sex with a meaningful person makes it meaningful. It has nothing to do with inflation from too much sex.

Yes and no. Porn isn’t cheating like fucking somebody else is cheating. It doesn’t really carry the emotion baggage and the betrayal in the same way. But generally it’s not great if you’re watching a lot of porn. Especially if you actually get to spend a lot of time with your girlfriend/wife. I guess if you’re long distance, that changes things, but I’ve never done a long distance relationship.

I think the key is being open and respectful of each other’s feelings.

 

[Airola]

>99% of men, and a whole lot of women, masturbate. Do we really want to label something so natural as deviant and/or perverted (and I mean not in a 'good way')?

Hell, my gf and I sometimes watch porn together.

100% of people lie too. It seems to be natural to us.
Doesn't make lying any less wrong.

 

[E-Cat]

Yes and no. Porn isn’t cheating like fucking somebody else is cheating. It doesn’t really carry the emotion baggage and the betrayal in the same way. But generally it’s not great if you’re watching a lot of porn. Especially if you actually get to spend a lot of time with your girlfriend/wife. I guess if you’re long distance, that changes things, but I’ve never done a long distance relationship.

I think the key is being open and respectful of each other’s feelings.

I am not arguing that there aren't different degrees to it, but it's basically the same principle. You are getting your rocks off to someone other than your gf/spouse.

Now, why do we feel the urge? Because it is rooted deep in our biology. You get used to the same flavor of ice cream; and even though you may still enjoy it, you start craving other flavors. It is a rare man indeed who does not feel this way. And people arrive at different "solutions" to this biological base reality - some cheat; some have open relationships; some merely fantasize about it; some suppress their fantasies due to guilt from a belief in a divine being that will punish them for their natural urges. Who's to say if that is healthy?

100% of people lie too. It seems to be natural to us.
Doesn't make lying any less wrong.

And why is masturbation wrong?

 

[DeepBreath87]

I am not arguing that there aren't different degrees to it, but it's basically the same principle. You are getting your rocks off to someone other than your gf/spouse.

Now, why do we feel the urge? Because it's rooted deep in our biology. You get used to the same flavor of ice cream; and even though you may still enjoy it, you start craving other flavors. It is a rare man indeed who does not feel this way. And people arrive at different "solutions" to this biological base reality - some cheat, some have open relationships, some merely fantasize, some suppress their fantasies from guilt due to a belief in a divine being that will punish them for their natural urges. Who's to say if that is healthy?

And why is masturbation wrong?

You find a woman whose cool with you fucking other girls, have fun. My experience is they work out very rarely, but if you can make it work, I guess that’s great. I don’t think it’s good for kids if you’re interested in having them.

For me, that’s the point. I have kids, and I love them and my wife. I’m not interested in jeopardizing that to taste some new ice cream.

 

[nush]

Please explain

That's not how a discussion works my dude.

 

[E-Cat]

So many beta-males here. We were biologically designed to spread our seed. Now, it is a tool that controls men, and power for women.

There's nothing quite like nailing a hot chick for the first time.

Here is a man who does not deny reality.

However, taken to its logical conclusion, this would mean not only that you nail multiple girls (making you 'alpha'); but that other males wind up nailing your girl (making you 'a cuck').

Now, how do you propose to solve this dilemma? For there not to be discontent, men would have to want to bang multiple women, but not feel jealousy. I feel like I am one of those people, but am probably in the tiny minority.

 

[E-Cat]

You find a woman whose cool with you fucking other girls, have fun. My experience is they work out very rarely, but if you can make it work, I guess that’s great. I don’t think it’s good for kids if you’re interested in having them.

For me, that’s the point. I have kids, and I love them and my wife. I’m not interested in jeopardizing that to taste some new ice cream.

You are right, family does complicate things in our current society, where such behavior is universally frowned upon. But I see no harm to the kids if a) the affairs were kept discrete, and b) it did not affect the relationship between you and your wife. Easier said than done, I know.

I notice that your rationale for not having sex with other women besides your wife wasn't not wanting to sample new ice cream; but that doing so would amount to not loving your family, therefore jeopardizing your relationship. Is it an either/or proposition? In our current society, that seems to be the widely held belief.

Every polyamorous relationship I’ve ever seen looks profoundly broken from the outside. Completely unbalanced power dynamics, simmering jealousy, emotional callousness, resentments. Granted I’ve seen plenty of monogamous couples have similar problems, but at least history says many of those can work. Most people cannot easily accept that someone would pursue a physical and/or emotional relationship with someone else. Nor should they accept it. And if you love somebody, you don’t ask them to tolerate that shit just because you aren’t satisfied with them. You either make it work or you end the relationship. If you respect them, anyway.

This is not so much an argument against polyamory as it is an argument against unbalanced power dynamics, simmering, jealousy, emotional callousness and resentment.

 

[Brian Fellows]

Should people be allowed? Yes.

Should people do it? No.

I'm all for ignoring what people do in their private life, as long as it doesn't hurt other people., but short term pleasure is not something we should be striving for. We should be looking for meaning and life long fulfillment. Having a family is part of that.

LOL good luck with that. I'm going get mine while I can because there is no meaning to life.

 

[TheMan]

Well I guess it depends on what you mean by free sex. Consenting adults should be able to fuck other consenting adults without facing stigma, regardless of how sexes/genders are paired (or tripled, etc.) That said I've never been a playboy but I think that IRL, having tons of partners and divorcing sex from emotional attachment is not something everyone can do easily. But if you can, and your partners can, then go for it. You only live once, and making yourself chaste for the sake of adhering to societal rules seems like a waste of time if that's not what you want.

 

[DeepBreath87]

You are right, family does complicate things in our current society, where such behavior is universally frowned upon. But I see no harm to the kids if a) the affairs were kept discrete, and b) it did not affect the relationship between you and your wife. I know, easier said than done.

I notice that your rationale for not having sex with other women besides your wife wasn't not wanting to sample new ice cream; but that doing so would amount to not loving your family, therefore jeopardizing your relationship. Is it an either/or proposition? In our current society, that seems to be the widely held belief.

I also want to do drugs and drink a lot. But I don’t because actions have consequences, and not everything I might “want” to do is a good idea. That applies to basically everybody. The idea what you want on a base level is automatically something you should do is pretty short sighted and speaks to a lack of life experience.

 

[DeepBreath87]

LOL good luck with that. I'm going get mine while I can because there is no meaning to life.

You can give it meaning if you want. How fulfilling that meaning is will be the question. But only you can know.

 

[V2Tommy]

Everyone I know that has “all teh sex” are the most depressed, miserable, lonely people I know.

Hedonism is a means to an end. Evolve or die alone.

 

[E-Cat]

I also want to do drugs and drink a lot. But I don’t because actions have consequences, and not everything I might “want” to do is a good idea. That applies to basically everybody. The idea what you want on a base level is automatically something you should do is pretty short sighted and speaks to a lack of life experience.

Drugs and drinking are harmful to your body, whereas sex has many demonstrated benefits to your health (you could say that STDs are harmful; but that is by association, not by the act itself. In fact, it can be argued that our prudish attitudes towards sex have evolved as a cultural adaptation to fend off STDs). So, it is not immediately obvious to me that the latter is harmful in the physical sense. But the crux of it seems to be that having sexual relations is morally wrong when non-exclusive.

Whether or not sex with multiple different partners carries with it other non-physical harmful consequences depends, to my mind at least, solely on the involved parties' attitudes towards it. Therefore, if it causes to harm (physical or otherwise) to anyone, then it is by definition not immoral.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Drugs and drinking are harmful to your body, whereas sex has many demonstrated benefits to your health (you could say that STDs are harmful; but that is by association, not by the act itself. In fact, it can be argued that our prudish attitudes towards sex have evolved as a cultural adaptation to fend off STDs). So, it is not immediately obvious to me that the latter is harmful in the physical sense. But the crux of it seems to be that it's somehow morally wrong when it is non-exclusive.

Whether or not sex with multiple different partners carries with it other non-physical harmful consequences depends, to my mind at least, solely on the involved parties' attitudes towards it.

Hey do what you want. Find yourself a girl who is cool with you sleeping around and have at it. I hope it goes well, but I haven’t seen a lot of evidence it does.

 

[Sakura Doritos]

LOL good luck with that. I'm going get mine while I can because there is no meaning to life.

For your life maybe...

me, I have things to live for and people to haunt

 

[Airola]

I am not arguing that there aren't different degrees to it, but it's basically the same principle. You are getting your rocks off to someone other than your gf/spouse.

Now, why do we feel the urge? Because it is rooted deep in our biology. You get used to the same flavor of ice cream; and even though you may still enjoy it, you start craving other flavors. It is a rare man indeed who does not feel this way. And people arrive at different "solutions" to this biological base reality - some cheat; some have open relationships; some merely fantasize about it; some suppress their fantasies due to guilt from a belief in a divine being that will punish them for their natural urges. Who's to say if that is healthy?

You are very much correct with all of that.
This is our reality.

But very often in discussions about this subject people overestimate the biological urge to get sexual pleasure and underestimate whatever the biological reasons for jealousy are. It's not as if only the sexual urges are deeply rooted in us but of course the feelings of jealousy is too. It's just as natural as craving for pleasure is.

Just as some don't feel sexual urges some don't feel jealousy. It doesn't mean they don't exist or aren't natural though.

And why is masturbation wrong?

First of all, I hope you don't take this as me judging you or any others who masturbate. Trust me, I'm in no position of telling anyone to not do it
If anything, I'd probably love the world to be a hedonist paradise. I've been like that since I was 7.

That said, it doesn't mean I can't see what could be wrong with it.

One thing is the most obvious one, it's terribly addicting.
Another thing is that it keeps your mind from learning to cope with frustration. It's a quick relief for deeper problems.

Here is a man who does not deny reality.

Ok, then the same question applies to you too. Why aren't you actually spreading those seeds then if that's what the reality and your nature is? No, you only want the pleasure. You don't want the actual biological reason for it.

However, taken to its logical conclusion, this would mean not only that you nail multiple girls (making you 'alpha'); but that other males wind up nailing your girl (making you 'a cuck').

Now, how do you propose to solve this dilemma? For there not to be discontent, men would have to want to bang multiple women, but not feel jealousy. I feel like I am one of those people, but am probably in the tiny minority.

I think you've understood the word 'cuck' wrong.
If anyone, cucks are the once who don't feel any jealousy of someone else fucking their girlfriends/wives. In fact the core of their desire is to let others fuck their women.

One reason for you not feeling jealousy could be that you haven't met the right woman yet.
Another reason could be that you just share some same qualities as cucks do. It kinda perhaps depends on how much pleasure you feel from the thought of your girl fucking someone else.

And one reason could be that you want to push this sexual freedom to your girlfriend and any other girlfriends out there because you want to validate your will to have as much sexual pleasure as possible. If you can get as many others to act like you do, then what you do feels more justified. That pattern of behavior can be seen in other things too, such as with people with gambling issues (like myself). I love to see others gamble and I like to get others to gamble because that makes my own gambling feel less problematic. The same thing happens with alcohol and drugs too. And overeating bad food. We tend to glorify things that are pleasurable but what we don't have much control over, and we want to spread that habit to others so that our own habit feels more justified and valid.

Again, I'm no better than that. I'd be glad to share what I know about porn and would be glad to borrow my video and magazine collections to others and I would probably treat it all as if there's nothing wrong with it. But that doesn't mean I couldn't see any underlying problems with that culture and my habits.

Just as countless of other people, I'm a spineless hedonist too. Doesn't mean I can't discuss the problems with that. This to me is what 'not denying reality' really is.

 

[E-Cat]

Hey do what you want. Find yourself a girl who is cool with you sleeping around and have at it. I hope it goes well, but I haven’t seen a lot of evidence it does.

I am not necessarily saying that this is how I want to live. I struggle with finding the optimal path, just like everyone else.

You are very much correct with all of that.
This is our reality.

But very often in discussions about this subject people overestimate the biological urge to get sexual pleasure and underestimate whatever the biological reasons for jealousy are. It's not as if only the sexual urges are deeply rooted in us but of course the feelings of jealousy is too. It's just as natural as craving for pleasure is.

Just as some don't feel sexual urges some don't feel jealousy. It doesn't mean they don't exist or aren't natural though.

Don't get me wrong, there are ofc biological reasons for jealousy. I myself seem to be a person with a high sexual urge, but low feelings of jealousy.

First of all, I hope you don't take this as me judging you or any others who masturbate. Trust me, I'm in no position of telling anyone to not do it
If anything, I'd probably love the world to be a hedonist paradise. I've been like that since I was 7.

That said, it doesn't mean I can't see what could be wrong with it.

One thing is the most obvious one, it's terribly addicting.
Another thing is that it keeps your mind from learning to cope with frustration. It's a quick relief for deeper problems.

While I can see merit in those points, it also depends on the individual. Not everyone gets addicted to it, even if doing it a lot. Similarly, coping with frustration through hedonism is unhealthy, whether it be by masturbation or some other means. Neither of these things makes masturbation inherently bad, nor a root cause of those people's (probably) neurological disorder.

Ok, then the same question applies to you too. Why aren't you actually spreading those seeds then if that's what the reality and your nature is? No, you only want the pleasure. You don't want the actual biological reason for it.

I do want to have kids some day; but I have mentally decoupled the will to procreate from the will to have sex/masturbate. Just like people have decoupled the act of dining from the act of ingesting sustenance. Though the pure lust that we feel is ultimately biology's means to an end to propagate the species, that doesn't mean that we can't tell biology to go fuck itself and bootstrap that urge for our own hedonistic purposes.

I think you've understood the word 'cuck' wrong.
If anyone, cucks are the once who don't feel any jealousy of someone else fucking their girlfriends/wives. In fact the core of their desire is to let others fuck their women.

One reason for you not feeling jealousy could be that you haven't met the right woman yet.
Another reason could be that you just share some same qualities as cucks do. It kinda perhaps depends on how much pleasure you feel from the thought of your girl fucking someone else.

And one reason could be that you want to push this sexual freedom to your girlfriend and any other girlfriends out there because you want to validate your will to have as much sexual pleasure as possible. If you can get as many others to act like you do, then what you do feels more justified. That pattern of behavior can be seen in other things too, such as with people with gambling issues (like myself). I love to see others gamble and I like to get others to gamble because that makes my own gambling feel less problematic. The same thing happens with alcohol and drugs too. And overeating bad food. We tend to glorify things that are pleasurable but what we don't have much control over, and we want to spread that habit to others so that our own habit feels more justified and valid.

Again, I'm no better than that. I'd be glad to share what I know about porn and would be glad to borrow my video and magazine collections to others and I would probably treat it all as if there's nothing wrong with it. But that doesn't mean I couldn't see any underlying problems with that culture and my habits.

Just as countless of other people, I'm a spineless hedonist too. Doesn't mean I can't discuss the problems with that. This to me is what 'not denying reality' really is.

I think you misunderstood my point; that is, the only world in which alpha males spreading their seed incessantly could be logically sustained is one where other alpha males would inevitably be fucking women from the same pool (since there are only so many women go around). If those alpha males were then to feel jealousy, the system could not be sustained (there would be strife). Therefore, the only world in which such a system could be sustained is one where the same alpha males are also cucks, thus not feeling jealousy and maintaining the current arrangement.

One reason for you not feeling jealousy could be that you haven't met the right woman yet.
Another reason could be that you just share some same qualities as cucks do. It kinda perhaps depends on how much pleasure you feel from the thought of your girl fucking someone else. And one reason could be that you want to push this sexual freedom to your girlfriend and any other girlfriends out there because you want to validate your will to have as much sexual pleasure as possible. If you can get as many others to act like you do, then what you do feels more justified.

This is very insightful, and I suspect that both of those things could be true (perhaps even simultaneously true). Yes, on the hand I do feel that I have never dated someone so perfect that I would never want to share them with anyone. Perhaps, if you think of your significant other as just "another casual sex partner", then it is easier to imagine swapping them for other casual sex partners without giving it much thought.

But I can imagine feelings of jealousy arising if I ever found "a perfect woman" (something that I, sadly, deem very unlikely to happen due to them necessarily having to be out of my league for me to consider them "perfect"). At the same time, I probably would derive some pleasure from seeing them fucked by someone else, solely from the fact that they are experiencing pleasure.

Although I care deeply for my current girlfriend, I sometimes find myself fantasizing about wanting them to be caught cheating, thereby justifying me seeking out additional sexual partners, initializing a threesome, etc. So, you may be right.

 

[DeepBreath87]

I am not necessarily saying that this is how I want to live. I struggle with finding the optimal path, just like everyone else.

Don't get me wrong, there are ofc biological reasons for jealousy. I myself seem to be a person with a high sexual urge, but low feelings of jealousy.

While I can see merit in those points, it also depends on the individual. Not everyone gets addicted to it, even if doing it a lot. Similarly, coping with frustration through hedonism is unhealthy, whether it be by masturbation or some other means. Neither of these things makes masturbation inherently bad, nor a root cause of those people's (probably) neurological disorder.

I do want to have kids some day; but I have mentally decoupled the will to procreate from the will to have sex/masturbate. Just like people have decoupled the act of dining from the act of ingesting sustenance. Though the pure lust that we feel is ultimately biology's means to an end to propagate the species, that doesn't mean that we can't tell biology to go fuck itself and bootstrap that urge for our own hedonistic purposes.

I think you misunderstood my point; that is, the only world in which alpha males spreading their seed incessantly could be logically sustained is one where other alpha males would inevitably be fucking women from the same pool (since there are only so many women go around). If those alpha males were then to feel jealousy, the system could not be sustained (there would be strife). Therefore, the only world in which such a system could be sustained is one where the same alpha males are also cucks, thus not feeling jealousy and maintaining the current arrangement.

This is very insightful, and I suspect that both of those things could be true (perhaps even simultaneously true). Yes, on the hand I do feel that I have never dated someone so perfect that I would never want to share them with anyone. Perhaps, if you think of your significant other as just "another casual sex partner", then it is easier to imagine swapping them for other casual sex partners without giving it much thought.

But I can imagine feelings of jealousy arising if I ever found "a perfect woman" (something that I, sadly, deem very unlikely to happen due to them necessarily having to be out of my league for me to consider them "perfect"). At the same time, I probably would derive some pleasure from seeing them fucked by someone else, solely from the fact that they are experiencing pleasure.

Although I care deeply for my current girlfriend, I sometimes find myself fantasizing about wanting them to be caught cheating, thereby justifying me to seek out additional sexual partners, initializing a threesome, etc. So, you may be right.

The male sex drive is pretty strong for many of us. Anyone who says they never look at another woman is a liar. But what you do with those thoughts and desires is what matters. Like if you’re an addict, you’re going to have the same kinds of thoughts and desires. But if you want to be sober, you’ve got to learn how to deal with them without acting on them. You have to weigh your actions vs the consequences and what you care about.

The truth is self control is a trait that is undervalued these days, but if people want a healthy, happy life, they are going to want to develop it.

 

[EverydayBeast]

Thread could rub people the wrong way I wish flowers were given out more.

 

[E-Cat]

The male sex drive is pretty strong for many of us. Anyone who says they never look at another woman is a liar. But what you do with those thoughts and desires is what matters. Like if you’re an addict, you’re going to have the same kinds of thoughts and desires. But if you want to be sober, you’ve got to learn how to deal with them without acting on them. You have to weigh your actions vs the consequences and what you care about.

The truth is self control is a trait that is undervalued these days, but if people want a healthy, happy life, they are going to want to develop it.

I respect your traditional point of view, but it is not the only one that is workable. Having multiple partners doesn't necessarily imply that you are 'out of control', impulsive or unthoughtful. To think of simultaneous sexual relationships, each providing meaning and enrichment to your life in a different ways, as a logical fallacy, only works if you view relationships as zero-sum games (each detracting from the other). However, isn't it better to explore that than feeling miserable in a monogamous relationship, if you are so inclined?

 

[Valonquar]

Sex is currency and can never be considered truly free. At least not past your early 30's.

 

[DeepBreath87]

I respect your traditional point of view, but it is not the only one that is workable. Having multiple partners doesn't necessarily imply that you are 'out of control' or impulsive. To think of simultaneous sexual relationships, each providing meaning and enrichment to your life in a different ways, as a logical fallacy only works if you view relationships as zero-sum games (each detracting from the other). However, isn't it better to explore that than feeling miserable in a monogamous relationship, if you are so inclined?

I get what you’re saying. You could call me traditional, but it could also be looked at as data driven. What has worked for more people? What hasn’t. What has worked for me personally and what hasn’t? All I can tell you is you make your choices, but if you find somebody you care about and they would be hurt by you having multiple partners (and that’s the vast majority of women), you’ll have to decide what you do.

 

[E-Cat]

I get what you’re saying. You could call me traditional, but it could also be looked at as data driven. What has worked for more people? What hasn’t. What has worked for me personally and what hasn’t? All I can tell you is you make your choices, but if you find somebody you care about and they would be hurt by you having multiple partners (and that’s the vast majority of women), you’ll have to decide what you do.

I think since we mostly have data on monogamous relationships, the data may be skewed. But it may also be that society circa early 21st century favors monogamy for a reason.

On the other hand, if any kind of sexual kinks could be instantly satiated in full-immersion virtual reality without the social stigma, as is likely to happen within the next 100-200 years, then the world would look like a very different place. The zeitgeist is always moving; there is not one universal, static arrangement of how things out to be. I just feel like I was born a century too early, I suppose.

 

[Arkam]

Sounds like the OP should read Brave New World as the idea of free sex was pivotal to the (dystopian) society. I skipped a dozen posts, so if someone said it already... my b

 

[Phunkydiabetic]

 

[Yoshi]

Yes, why should there be legal bounds to consenting humans having sexual relationships (as long as no one else is hurt). It is in principle desirable that no rules just because of some groups tastes are put on other people.

 

[DeepBreath87]

Yes, why should there be legal bounds to consenting humans having sexual relationships (as long as no one else is hurt). It is in principle desirable that no rules just because of some groups tastes are put on other people.

Ok. I’m going to be as generous as I can and assume you don’t mean for this to sound like pedo shit. But it is exactly what they say. That’s kind of the point too. Society puts boundaries up because it’s a fucking nightmare without them. There can be debate about where they should be, but there is no debate about whether they should exist.

 

[sid2vicious]

Everyone I know that has “all teh sex” are the most depressed, miserable, lonely people I know.

Hedonism is a means to an end. Evolve or die alone.

 

[Yoshi]

Ok. I’m going to be as generous as I can and assume you don’t mean for this to sound like pedo shit. But it is exactly what they say. That’s kind of the point too. Society puts boundaries up because it’s a fucking nightmare without them. There can be debate about where they should be, but there is no debate about whether they should exist.

I just forgot to type "adult".

 

[YCoCg]

As long as it's between consenting adults and no one is doing it behind peoples back that would cause issues, go ahead, I've tried various relationships over the years and I'm extremely lucky to have landed in the one I'm in now.

 

[hyperbertha]

That's not how a discussion works my dude.

I don't see how that can be true, unless you're talking prowess, then maybe in some cases, but then a relationship won't match up either.