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Vilix
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I have to imagine all the people who don't want to explain and educate because they might be seen as siding with that person. This is a missed opportunity for education IMO.
Is GAF too strict?
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I have to imagine all the people who don't want to explain and educate because they might be seen as siding with that person. This is a missed opportunity for education IMO.
I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Obviously I think it is there, and I don't like it. You seem to be suggesting that I (for example) go around looking for posts to project racism and sexism onto. Believe me, that would be overengineering the problem.
I just didn't understand your post.
I think this can be a real problem. Not in the sense that mods fall for the ban baiting, but because that attitude is contagious and leads to complete disruption of otherwise interesting threads. People become too nervous to post their thoughts for fear that they will be the next person to get dog-piled. If anything ignorant statements and opinions can be a great benefit to a forum as long as a constructive and educational conversation can arise from that.
TheChewyWaffles
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Ironically enough, gaf seems to prefer conformity to discussion on certain issues.
How is it dumb? It catches the mods attention. Sometimes a post can go unnoticed.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
PM a mod if a post offends you. It's plainly enumerated in the rules.
Well, WW didn't say he loves DA:O.
Because all it leads to is people quoting endlessly. No discussion happens, no one tries to educate anyone.
He agreed to loving it, so I love him.
Yup, but unfortunately in these cases people are more concerned with ousting the other. It's also hard to educate someone properly if you don't come prepared with the right materials and tools to present the knowledge to the other party. As soon as knowledge, if even true, is poorly present then it goes in one ear and flies out the other.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I do love DA:O, I just did not bold the rest of that. Please do not dogpile on me! Honest mistake!
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Vilix
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Too late, mister. It's 'de-mod before pre-mod' for you, boyo.
One thing that a lot of people in this thread, not necessarily including you, have suggested is that there's a roving gang of posters who just look for people they can somehow taunt and lure into saying stuff that will get them banned, because that's how they have fun.
For one thing, I question the idea that you can really get taunted into a ban. I know there are people who would clearly be in such a gang on GAF who regularly come in for intense and sustained barrages of vitriol without allowing it to lead them into sin, so if we can do it, why can't you?
But for another, I think it demonstrates a worldview that assumes anybody who acts offended by somebody's post is either faking it for devious reasons of their own or actively seeking out being offended for the affect of it all, aka borderline personality disorder -- because there's no way anybody could be GENUINELY offended by that post. Frankly, this kind of question-begging seems far more echo chambery to me than the people who are trying to explain exactly why they think such statements are problematic and harmful to the community.
legacyzero
Banned
Damn, I posted like twice in the Creep thread, but nothing naughty or creepy at all.
Think I'm safe.
Think I'm safe.
please spare me Bish! I am your humble servant!
Makes sense.
or are they just trolling.
I think that's the difficult decision for the mods. That's probably one of the reasons why they let the threads go on for so long.
Woman like to be admired, man like to admire woman. And vice versa. But men who blatantly stare and sneak in pics are gross, and woman are in the right to be grossed out by that. I can't believe people follow the whole, blame the woman's dress boat.
faceless007
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Slightly worried that I posted twice in creepshots. I was addressing the topic from a legalistic perspective, not defending them and certainly not blaming anybody else, but I'm worried that in his zeal to clean it up he might ban anything that even remotely looks like "not 100% against them" (which I am but might not have made clear).
Well, we should have some "discussion" on that in some other thread.
Keeping on topic, I am of the view that what one writes always supersedes what one's intentions may be.
Luckily their attitudes didn't go unnoticed, and I don't think there was an overabundance of ban baiting going on in that thread, but most often the correct response is not a silly gif showing someone's disgust with the posters position but a PM to a mod.
It's important to write exactly what you mean if you want someone to interpret it how you want them to. Otherwise you are asking the other person to make assumptions about your intentions or view.
I wonder if posting that I'd switch my ass with my face since the former looks better counts as creepy.
...Well I'm kinda accepting what comes to me at this point anyway. I posted too much dumb jokes in that thread.
SteveWinwood
Member
Exactly. If anything it's encouraging good writing habits.
It might hurt people whose
P) first language isn't english though.The thread was starting to turn 'interesting' in the 5th page(100posts) so I bailed out.
I shouldn't have posted the dumb jokes there at all...
replicashooter
Banned
As I said before, for some folk this seems to be an "on tenterhooks" moment that brings some kind of thrill to their lives. Which if it is, reflects what kind of lives they truly must lead.
How is one supposed to conquer ignorance if one doesn't become aware of it by displaying it in the first place? I used to mispronounce words in my head all the time until I used one out loud once and was corrected (for which I'm eternally grateful).
I hope the thread gets reopened as boy did I dig up some amazing information to share. Avenues of research were opened in my mind by replies to that thread that I never would have considered by myself.
SteveWinwood
Member
Goddammit.
I was really interested in discussing ancient Egyptian anthropology until I saw what other users were making of it. It's sad how poorly we as a human race understand ourselves sometimes. We are all at fault for varying misunderstands and misconceptions. The immediate response is to cleanse ignorance instead of shaping knowledge.
wsoxfan1214
Banned
There was a whole lot of stupid in both of those threads now that I read them. Holy shit.
Well, those locked stickies are, uh... Ominous.
That is one truly awful looking gif.
It was nice knowing you too, Snuggler.
And no, its nice to know beforehand. I shall watch the sun go down as the axe falls.
Pretty much filled to the brim with the stuff. I doubt the OP of the Egypt thread gets it, but there are plenty of others in there that should.
And there it is.
Look, I agree with you, it's valuable to talk about the whitewashing of history, and gutsy of you to admit that you'd held such beliefs and were wrong about them -- but at the same time, don't kid yourself. If lots and lots of people read your first two posts and came to the conclusion that you were a huge racist, even (especially!) if you aren't one it's time to entertain the possibility that you just expressed yourself very, very poorly. Pretending that anybody and everybody who found it offensive were just looking for a mistake to jump on is not going to benefit anybody, because it's just not the case. If you want people to read your posts differently, consider writing them differently.
And seriously, stop cracking openly contemptuous jokes about Mexicans, because that shit STILL looks racist.
wsoxfan1214
Banned
Especially the creepshots one.
SteveWinwood
Member
I'm probably banned.
Hope it's not for long.
Hope it's not for long.
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
This is why I usually post in community OT. OT is starting to scare me in ways that Gaming scares me. Bans coming from anywhere, posters dog piling. I thought about posting in that creep thread but I'm glad I stayed clear.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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The quality has degraded over the years. Someone keeps reuploading a poor version of it.
SteveWinwood
Member
Just don't be a dumbass.
I was snarky in a few cases when I probably shouldn't have.
I really don't get why people are afraid... It's a damn forum. Really just don't be an idiot. I don't think graveyards happen enough to merit fear at all. Honestly Gaming side seems to acknowledge dumb fanboyism to a certain degree, OT is the wild west if anything (which it isn't)
legacyzero
Banned
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
That's dangerous... as it boils down to just interpretation and speculation and internal biases can easily steer one's opinion...
DUFFMCWALIN
Member
I don't post dumbass shit, but the last year or so there has been more of a lock down. The blatant fanboyism in Gaming is more gross than anything to me. But whatever its just an online forum that I spend too much time on as it is.
replicashooter
Banned
Me too, history has just became a fascinating subject for me especially the fringe esoterica. Why didn't they teach it like this in school? Way to make an interesting thing boring.
I can see how folks could think that but I have a tendency to type a stream of consciousness down to the keys without any thinking or reviewing, I'll have to start hitting "preview" before "post" in the future.
As for them darn mexicans
you may note that I haven't said anything about them for a few posts now and what I did say in the original thread in reference to a sketch which precipitated the whole escapade in the first place. Its not like I'm running around threads talking like Bumblebee Man all the time, it was a one off reference in regards to one thread. I apologize sincerely if I have affected your mexican sensibilities in any way and I shall refrain from mentioning them in any way, shape or form that may be interpreted by folks such as yourself in a derogatory fashion
Ask? No! We have to misconstrue what they're saying to what we want to read.
But how can you have a conversation if you are unsure about what the person means? Not everyone is super clear with their posts, sometimes it's by accident, sometimes its to hide a horrible opinion.
I do think that some topics tend to be separated by those that think their opinions are on some moral high ground, and those that disagree. Those that believe they are on this high ground act as if they are untouchable, and belittle and provoke the others. This does nothing but irritate everyone in the thread and destroy discussions. Don't know if any of the stickied posts fall in that category because I don't feel rummaging through them.
GAF seems pretty good at deciphering intent when it comes to posts and subsequent bans. I'm not sure I've ever been banned, and I've gone against the grain many a time in a thread.
GAF seems pretty good at deciphering intent when it comes to posts and subsequent bans. I'm not sure I've ever been banned, and I've gone against the grain many a time in a thread.
legacyzero
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