Is GAF too strict?

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Fiction said:
I was honestly just trying to help, letting you know that ese is seen as a derogatory term in many instances, and that it changed the entire tone of the apology to condescending. I am not sure how I have come at your neck, as I try to be respectfull and reasonable in all my posts. However, since they came across as being an attack, I apologize, and will speak no further on the subject.
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Then we are both singing from the same hymn sheet, no hard feelings (I was going to insert the Native American word for friend here but it came up with like a billion variations so I thought I'd quit whilst I was ahead) friend :)
 
Hell no.

I've been banned like 3 or 4 times, and it made me a better, more tactful person.

Genuinely, not just as an act I put on for GAF.

Also, it keeps GAF from becoming a gamefaqs-like shithole.
 
scar tissue said:
Hell no.

I've been banned like 3 or 4 times, and it made me a better, more tactful person.

Genuinely, not just as an act I put on for GAF.

Also, it keeps GAF from becoming a gamefaqs-like shithole.
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How can you be around while being banned as a junior member? Do you get reverted back to junior status after multiple bans or something?
 
Oh boy, the "Woman sexually assaulted by a cop" thread seems to be heading in the same direction as the previous two locked threads.
 
7threst said:
How can you be around while being banned as a junior member? Do you get reverted back to junior status after multiple bans or something?
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There is the probationary 'junior member' and then there is being 'juniored', which is a member which loses his/her tag and thread making privileges. They don't get permed from a single ban.
 
7threst said:
How can you be around while being banned as a junior member? Do you get reverted back to junior status after multiple bans or something?
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Well, he's been a member since 2010. His membership was probably downgraded for making weird threads or something.
 
tarius1210 said:
Well, he's been a member since 2010. His membership was probably downgraded for making weird threads or something.
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Too many bans for generally being an asshole, actually.

I never made a single thread. And now my thread posting privileges are gone.

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AgentChris said:
Off topic community is where it's at. OT is a weird place these days.
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I told myself I was going to stop complaining about how OT is bad, so I'll try to shut my mouth after this post. I completely agree with AgentChris.
 
Nekofrog said:
Oh boy, the "Woman sexually assaulted by a cop" thread seems to be heading in the same direction as the previous two locked threads.
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That thread and the creepshots thread remind me of something I dislike: reactionary name-calling.

In the creepshot thread the word "creep" is used so many times, it's a bit unsettling. There's a big difference between calling a person's actions creepy and calling that person a creep. All we know about that person is those creepy acts and yet many are willing to reduce the whole person to those actions by calling the person a creep.

This goes for other stuff too. Like "rapist". There's more to this "rapist" than the rape committed, however awful the act may have been.
 
Sorry if it's all water under the bridge now, but

replicashooter said:
You know what I'm going to stop talking to you now, I feel you are making me walk around in circles. The apology wasn't aimed at you plus it was sincere. The joke wasn't aimed at you either but you took it upon yourself to come at my neck based on your interpretation.

Make what you will of my posts, its your mind.
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I am black and not Mexican, but I can see how what your use of "ese" can be offensive. I remember seeing a joke on a TV show where some guy thought he offended a black guy. The black guy said, "Don't worry about it, that wasn't offensive," and the other guy goes, "I'm sorry for bothering you, homes. We good, G?" That's not seen as friendly, He unnaturally used black stereotypes to get through to someone who is black. It's condescending.

That's pretty much what you did when you said "ese" in that context. You aren't Mexican, and you kept referring to Mexicans in your jokes. In your apology, you added the "ese," which may have seemed friendly to you, but it throws it all right out the window because you're unnaturally referring to Mexicans again in a lighthearted manner in an attempt to smooth things over.

Some people don't understand that it can be condescending. I have heard people try to use "their vernacular" in attempts of friendly apologizing, but it rarely, if ever, looks good.
 
Why would you do that? said:
Sorry if it's all water under the bridge now, but



I am black and not Mexican, but I can see how what your use of "ese" can be offensive. I remember seeing a joke on a TV show where some guy thought he offended a black guy. The black guy said, "Don't worry about it, that wasn't offensive," and the other guy goes, "I'm sorry for bothering you, homes. We good, G?" That's not seen as friendly, He unnaturally used black stereotypes to get through to someone who is black. It's condescending.

That's pretty much what you did when you said "ese" in that context. You aren't Mexican, and you kept referring to Mexicans in your jokes. In your apology, you added the "ese," which may have seemed friendly to you, but it throws it all right out the window because you're unnaturally referring to Mexicans again in a lighthearted manner in an attempt to smooth things over.

Some people don't understand that it can be condescending. I have heard people try to use "their vernacular" in attempts of friendly apologizing, but it rarely, if ever, looks good.
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Duly noted chief and I salute your touchscreen efforts.
 
*drags wooly mammoth to top of stone altar, made from fist sized stones. Sets mammoth ablaze, waits until storm clouds form.*

Almighty bish, I did not act too crazy. Whatever will be, will be, as you will it. Amen. That one guy was drawing conclusions I did not, myself, make, tho. Just sayin...
 
Rentahamster said:
Tried to steer the creep thread into discussion on the practical, legal aspect of dealing with it. Nobody cared. Oh well.
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I was with you!
(Extend sexual morality laws, extend privacy laws, extend copyright laws - all could be built upon and adjusted just to deter the big websites from hosting "creep pics" without individual users being affected.)

Then I gave up.
 
I quite liked Sentry's post here.

Dennis said:
Not only is there a lot of faux outrage on GAF there is also a great deal of one-upmanship in being the most progressive and sensitive - which leads to a lot threads being derailed by the slightest opportunity to be holier than thou.
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Again, this is nonsense.

There is no competition to be the most progressive or the most sensitive. As I said before, you are operating under the presumption that people do not actually take offense at what you say, so everything that they say can be preemptively dismissed as the complaints of posturing whiners. I do not know why you do this, but it prevents you from having any understanding of why people are responding to you in the manner that they do.

And as far as derailing is concerned, if you say something ignorant on the subject of a topic, and people call you out on that, that is not derailing the topic. Even if you had said something ignorant on something unrelated - for instance, if you say something racist in a topic that was originally about sexism and the subject changes because of that - if I were apportioning blame for the derail, it would rest at the feet of the person who said something ignorant.

If you want to say that the tenor makes it difficult to have a conversation, fine. If you want to say that the way that the anger is expressed is unproductive, makes people overly defensive and afraid to interact for fear of being dogpiled, sure. But there's nothing faux about it.

And typically, the ones being 'outraged' seem to get a lot of leeway in being rude and condescending towards the 'offending' poster.
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Let's be frank here: When I read those arguments, yes, I do see posters being condescending and rude to one another. But this is not something that is particular to one side or another, and you are as guilty of those things as anyone else is.

WanderingWind said:
Meh. Agreement or disagreement isn't the issue. Already formulating notions without attempting to honestly engage one another is, and goes against reasonable discussion. I think that it's become quite a bit of a problem, but that's for people like you to decide on officially, or whatever. It is affecting the quality of discussion in threads that hold the most potential for such, though.
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Well, I think we all go into these threads at this point with already formulated notions about the people we are interacting with and the subject matter. I don't know if that's a problem in and of itself. If there is a problem it is simply an issue of tone. That said, while I (usually) don't have a problem not letting my anger show, I can't seriously blame people for becoming angry when I see what they are angry about. And personally, I think if everyone posted like me it would be boring here, so I don't want that.

I would be interested in seeing less overt calling for bans, cheering it on, and so forth, but the anger to me is, well, usually understandable.

And your old-school tastes are just fine, Mumei-bro.
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Thanks~
 
So I just signed in and it looks like hell is on its way over here... I don't think I did anything in that creepshots thread, but you never know.
 
Emerson said:
I don't mean to imply that the mods are bowing to pressure. I actually think the mods are great at this point. I've said controversial things, been dogpiled on, so forth and not been banned.

But the general atmosphere still exists.
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Yeah, it can exist in some threads, but if the mods aren't bowing to pressure, just ignore it unless you want to derail shit further, and don't let it stop you from posting your well written and respectful opinion :)
Blasty said:
I think how it actually happens is someone gets dogpiled and baited until they slip up and get themselves banned. Meanwhile, the one or two people who were subtly trolling get off free.
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If they have a psoition to 'slip up' too, they probably meant exactly what people implied.
pigeon said:
One thing that a lot of people in this thread, not necessarily including you, have suggested is that there's a roving gang of posters who just look for people they can somehow taunt and lure into saying stuff that will get them banned, because that's how they have fun.

For one thing, I question the idea that you can really get taunted into a ban. I know there are people who would clearly be in such a gang on GAF who regularly come in for intense and sustained barrages of vitriol without allowing it to lead them into sin, so if we can do it, why can't you?

But for another, I think it demonstrates a worldview that assumes anybody who acts offended by somebody's post is either faking it for devious reasons of their own or actively seeking out being offended for the affect of it all, aka borderline personality disorder -- because there's no way anybody could be GENUINELY offended by that post. Frankly, this kind of question-begging seems far more echo chambery to me than the people who are trying to explain exactly why they think such statements are problematic and harmful to the community.
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I agree with this post. Especially calling out faux outrage. It is getting boring and derails threads more than any amount of outrage does.
 
SquiddyBiscuit said:
Not conclusive afaik.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal
The genomes of all non-Africans include portions that are of Neanderthal origin
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which has this listed as the source:

Yotova, Vania; Jean-Francois Lefebvre, Claudia Moreau, Elias Gbeha, Kristine Hovhannesyan, Stephane Bourgeois, Sandra Be´darida, Luisa Azevedo, Antonio Amorim, Tamara Sarkisian, Patrice Hodonou Avogbe, Nicodeme Chabi, Mamoudou Hama Dicko, Emile Sabiba Kou' Santa Amouzou, Ambaliou Sanni, June Roberts-Thomson, Barry Boettcher, Rodney J. Scott, and Damian Labuda (July 2011). "An X-linked haplotype of the Neandertal origin is present among all non-African populations". Molecular Biology and Evolution.
 
When I saw these threads last night, I knew it would get rough, but I didn't think it would get this ugly. Glad I used restraint in these threads.

Now, all we can do is wait and reflect...
 
CrazyDude said:
Is calling all Europeans and Asian neanderthals a bannable offense?
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I'm a european and I'm not offended.

If we actually are part neanderthal, it's a simple fact.

If we aren't, it's a lie/attempted insult, so what?


People are offended far too easily nowadays. Bunch of sissies.
 
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