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[Satch]

Well there's nothing they can really do about that, at least nothing I can think of. I do however feel that topics about sexism and or rape are things that should be discussed at home or in person so people have a better understanding on how to deal with it. Trying to make someone understand over the internet just doesn't really work as its just not the best way to reach someone.

It does work.

It's not necessarily on the people that the talk is being directed towards, but it does work on others.

More people are reading the discussion than just the people posting, and they typically come out of the woodwork later to explain how they've been changed by the discourse. It works.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Mmm Strongbow and concept docs. A potent combo.

I'd be drinking Jameson's from a pour spout if I were working on the next Turok game.

Just sayin'.

THIS IS WHAT YOU GET FOR BRINGING UP BRUCE HORNSBY BISH! >:|

 

[ReBurn]

Well there's nothing they can really do about that, at least nothing I can think of. I do however feel that topics about sexism and or rape are things that should be discussed at home or in person so people have a better understanding on how to deal with it. Trying to make someone understand over the internet just doesn't really work as its just not the best way to reach someone.

Not every conversation about sexism devolves like the creep shots thread did. There can be healthy discussion on the forum about it. But there are (were?) a few that always pulled the same old crap. No need to recap the thread, but it is possible to discuss these things. The culling of the herd this time was necessary, I think. A much needed level set.

 

[Stet]

Since when gypsy is derrogatory?! What is GAF smoking lately.
Next thing we know, any denotation will be derrogatory as long as someone use it as so.
"Humans" pff.

For ages? This isn't a GAF-specific, either. It's the same as calling an aboriginal American an Indian.

 

[Shouta]

Well there's nothing they can really do about that, at least nothing I can think of. I do however feel that topics about sexism and or rape are things that should be discussed at home or in person so people have a better understanding on how to deal with it. Trying to make someone understand over the internet just doesn't really work as its just not the best way to reach someone.

Discussion of those topics can be done quite efficiently online as long as both sides are honestly discussing it and not lacing posts with snide comments. But that's the key, honest discussion. It's a problem for everyone on the internet at some point regardless of the position they take, myself included.

 

[cutmeamango]

For ages? This isn't a GAF-specific, either. It's the same as calling an aboriginal American an Indian.

So... a non derogatory denotation.

 

[Gvaz]

For ages? This isn't a GAF-specific, either. It's the same as calling an aboriginal American an Indian.

That's a word born out of ignorance, not really derogatory though.

 

[A.E Suggs]

Not every conversation about sexism devolves like the creep shots thread did. There can be healthy discussion on the forum about it. But there are (were?) a few that always pulled the same old crap. No need to recap the thread, but it is possible to discuss these things. The culling of the herd this time was necessary, I think. A much needed level set.

Well i'm not going to quote all 6 of you guys post but I read them. Well maybe you are right, maybe its just something i'm just not confident can happen and I never see it happen. The people that are usually changed from my experience are the people who seem to have gone into the topic with an open mind to change, at least thats how I always was able see things differently.

Don't mind me though if there's a way i'm all for being proved wrong, till then I just don't know what to think about it.

 

[Partial Gamification]

This is just to serve as an example of why "gypsie" is derogatory:

 

[Pollux]

For ages? This isn't a GAF-specific, either. It's the same as calling an aboriginal American an Indian.

I was unaware that Indian was an offensive term for American Indians.

 

[cutmeamango]

This is just to serve as an example of why "gypsie" is derogatory:

So conotations utilized in the US determine that the word is retroactively, inherently derogatory, prima facie. The word real denotation and current use (which is the same as from its origin) is discarded.
OK.
Can people please not say american anymore, it is derogatory.

 

[Razek]

I was unaware that Indian was an offensive term for American Indians.

Me either, and I'm Native American.

 

[Professor Beef]

Me either, and I'm Native American.

It's the most commonly used term in places that have a lot of us, but its not accurate. We aren't from India, after all But yes it's becoming a bit offensive, as most people who use the term usually use it a 'them dirty injuns' type of way.

You guys are native americans too?

 

[Razek]

You guys are native americans too?

We need a native american gaf stat. (lol)

EDIT: BE THE TIE BREAKER!!!!

 

[Gvaz]

In my neck of the woods people are like WOAH indians? Sup bro lets get drunk/high.

That's probably because Maine is 95% white though.

 

[Pollux]

It's the most commonly used term in places that have a lot of us, but its not accurate. We aren't from India, after all But yes it's becoming a bit offensive, as most people who use the term usually use it a 'them dirty injuns' type of way.

But it's still fine to use if I'm saying in the same way I would say blacks, whites, Asians, etc?

 

[Partial Gamification]

I was unaware that Indian was an offensive term for American Indians.

I'll shut up after this one: It is the use of "Indian-giver."

Although not correct, most Indiginous Americans just could care less what people call them, at least those I have spoken with. There are a great number of these peoples; Hopi, Pawnee, Souix, .... Not just one group.

So conotations utilized in the US determine that the word is retroactively, inherently derogatory, prima facie. The word real denotation and current use (which is the same as from its origin) is discarded.
OK.
Can people please not say american anymore, it is derogatory.

Please... "American" is what? From Ellesmere Island to Terra de Fuego? I think that these words were derogatory during their historic usages and you probably picked them up from an ignorant relative or the ignorant people that yuou are surrounded by. No offense (not your fault), I'm tired. Be well.

 

[Razek]

Are there many of us here?

It was a joke. I don't know what we would talk about.

 

[cool_dude_2049]

I feel like I'm walking on eggshells every time I hit the reply button, and I don't even post as often as I'd like. That is the environment this forum projects on me at times. Don't get me wrong, I love this place. That's why I've been coming here since 2004, but at times it feels heavily policed and that some people get off easier than others.

 

[Devolution]

Well i'm not going to quote all 6 of you guys post but I read them. Well maybe you are right, maybe its just something i'm just not confident can happen and I never see it happen. The people that are usually changed from my experience are the people who seem to have gone into the topic with an open mind to change, at least thats how I always was able see things differently.

Don't mind me though if there's a way i'm all for being proved wrong, till then I just don't know what to think about it.

Without tooting my own horn too much I've got PMs about how I've changed people's minds or they're glad I'm fighting the good fight. It's one of the few things that keeps me from thinking what I do here is a total waste of time and energy.

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

Me either, and I'm Native American.

So I guess I'm a Native Canadian then? Usually people just call us "Native" round here, freakin Americans gotta monopolize everything.

 

[H.Protagonist]

Are there many of us here?

Is there a % limit to be allowed into this club?

 

[Partial Gamification]

Hell, I'm a couple of tribes in one person apparently, so I only if it is in the derogatory way.

Noted. Have a good one.

 

[Professor Beef]

So I guess I'm a Native Canadian then? Usually people just call us "Native" round here, freakin Americans gotta monopolize everything.

Don't make me call Nightwolf Spilling Some Soup. >:|

 

[Razek]

Without tooting my own horn too much I've got PMs about how I've changed people's minds or they're glad I'm fighting the good fight. It's one of the few things that keeps me from thinking what I do here is a total waste of time and energy.

I think you get a bit too aggressive sometimes which might hurt your cause a bit, but you've really mellowed out since I've been posting. I try to always discuss things with a calm voice, but I know how it can get when people just don't get it sometimes.

So I guess I'm a Native Canadian then? Usually people just call us "Native" round here, freakin Americans gotta monopolize everything.

Lol you know we all live in the 'Americas' right?

 

[Demy]

I would, by all virtue, forever protect the sanctity of GAF. This is an utopia.

 

[dejay]

I've had my mind changed or my opinions modified several times on GAF. For every self absorbed nimrod who can't comprehend that their opinion may be anything other than the ultimate truth there are people who genuinely have an open mind.

 

[rCIZZLE]

Well, I saw my name being tossed around specifically earlier in this thread and I'd like to say I'm truly sorry to anybody I offended. A few things I said were mostly spawned from frustration I and others were obviously having on a touchy subject. What I really wanted to talk about was people think is a viable solution to stopping non-consenting pictures from being spread to the masses and if there's any distinction to be drawn between creepshots, sites like "people of walmart", or just random pictures being shared without the knowledge or consent of the subject. All of which I disagree with but didn't think they'd be possible to control in this increasingly connected point in time and was interested in what other people thought about it. My entrance into the conversation was a poor one and really tainted any chance of moving past that and having a legitimate discussion with people that were open to having one. Got so caught up in defending myself that I had trouble moving past it.

Just wanted to clear it up a little with a calm state of mind before my (potentially long) banning. <3

fake edit: not my intention to continue the discussion of the locked topic. only want to acknowledge those that were offended enough to call me out by name. sorry

 

[Blackace]

So I guess I'm a Native Canadian then? Usually people just call us "Native" round here, freakin Americans gotta monopolize everything.

Isn't Canada in North America?

 

[H.Protagonist]

Nope! Isn't there a 'one drop' rule or something? Heh.

Haha. Well, that's be quite a few, then. In CT you only had to be 1/32 Mashantucket Pequot (I believe) to be a part of the tribe. Sadly, my own tribe will probably never open a lucrative slot machine paradise and fund my mutt butt in any way.

 

[maxxpower]

Nope! Isn't there a 'one drop' rule or something? Heh.

Can us Mexicans call ourselves Native Americans?

 

[Johnny Cage In The Shower]

That was a joke post, not sure how many of you got it.

 

[Professor Beef]

Can us Mexicans call ourselves Native Americans?

No, we called it first.

Spoiler

I'm part Mexican too.

 

[Devolution]

I think you get a bit too aggressive sometimes which might hurt your cause a bit, but you've really mellowed out since I've been posting. I try to always discuss things with a calm voice, but I know how it can get when people just don't get it sometimes.

Some posts are obviously drenched in a kind of patronizing tone that I can't help but react to. I try not to get too harsh with some people but it's really hard being the solo female voice or the only woman people pigeon hole even as others are posting.

 

[Sadsic]

Are there many of us here?

im like 1/8th Seminole if it counts lol

 

[Razek]

Haha. Well, that's be quite a few, then. In CT you only had to be 1/32 Mashantucket Pequot (I believe) to be a part of the tribe. Sadly, my own tribe will probably never open a lucrative slot machine paradise and fund my mutt butt in any way.

I don't see a dime of my tribes casino money. It's all to the elders, which I don't think I'll be around long enough to make it to.

That was a joke post, not sure how many of you got it.

Yeah, I figured as much.

Edit: Sorry, this is getting off T.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

A lot of users aren't banned for single posts but a continued attitude. Even linking to a single post wouldn't put it in perspective. That's why the mods have discussions and come to agreements.

And yet, you continue to be aggressive, condescending, insulting, an obstacle on discussions in those kind of threads, and you don´t suffer the consequence. It´s like you have a pseudo cart blanche which give the right to be as obnoxious, insulting, condescending as possible without any repercussions.

 

[SteveWinwood]

That was a joke post, not sure how many of you got it.

Because it wasn't a funny joke.

 

[Dead Man]

So conotations utilized in the US determine that the word is retroactively, inherently derogatory, prima facie. The word real denotation and current use (which is the same as from its origin) is discarded.
OK.
Can people please not say american anymore, it is derogatory.

You know, if I found out there was a word I used that was inoffensive in my country, but was considered offensive to say... people in Tibet, I would probably not use that word on GAF if a Tibetan person told me that. It is courtesy.

 

[The Awesomest]

On a more general note, I'm glad this is done. For those of you wondering why I stickied both threads with that message, it was to engender on a wider scale what this thread has focused on - a public round of self reflection and a shitload of discussion on more than the nature of moderation, but the behavior in those threads. It shouldn't be that way, but like the great warrior poet Bruce Hornsby once sang, "that's the way it is".

This thread is a safety valve that I think the forum needs, and I hope it stays that way - good or bad.

tl;dr - don't start no shit, won't be no shit

Spoiler

and no I won't be answering your questions about when people are coming back (if at all)

Please, have mercy on Blasty. He had potential...

 

[dejay]

And yet, you continue to be aggressive, condescending, insulting, an obstacle on discussions in those kind of threads, and you don´t suffer the consequence. It´s like you have a pseudo cart blanche which give the right to be as obnoxious, insulting, condescending as possible without any repercussions.

It's almost like she's never been banned.

 

[zoukka]

So how many megatons were there in the stickied threads?

 

[Devolution]

And yet, you continue to be aggressive, condescending, insulting, an obstacle on discussions in those kind of threads, and you don´t suffer the consequence. It´s like you have a pseudo cart blanche which give the right to be as obnoxious, insulting, condescending as possible without any repercussions.

I'm pretty sure I'm on a thin line most of the time and it's up to the discretion of the moderators. Got a problem, take it up with them.

It's almost like she's never been banned.

I got a full month for calling some people out whom I felt were victim blaming.

 

[EVOL 100%]

I'm pretty glad that I wasn't banned but I'm feeling pretty bad for Blasty.

But I've been banned as a junior and still survived, there's still (a tiny amount) of hope for him I guess.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

So conotations utilized in the US determine that the word is retroactively, inherently derogatory, prima facie. The word real denotation and current use (which is the same as from its origin) is discarded.
OK.
Can people please not say american anymore, it is derogatory.

Gypsy is derogative to those people.

 

[nckillthegrimace]

It's the most commonly used term in places that have a lot of us, but its not accurate. We aren't from India, after all But yes it's becoming a bit offensive, as most people who use the term usually use it a 'them dirty injuns' type of way.

I had always heard that using Indian instead of Native American is acceptable in the loosest sense because both are imposed names, but, of course, the specific tribe name is best. Therefore, correcting yourself to say Native American over Indian is meaningless because both are inaccurate. Of course, you're in a better position to evaluate the veracity of that claim.

 

[Chuckl3s]

Can someone recap on what happen in those two threads? Crazy stuff.

 

[cutmeamango]

Please... "American" is what? From Ellesmere Island to Terra de Fuego? I think that these words were derogatory during their historic usages and you probably picked them up from an ignorant relative or the ignorant people that yuou are surrounded by. No offense (not your fault), I'm tired. Be well.

The great Satan spawns, of course.
They were not, etymology tells such course. Gypsy has 400 years of usage before your 20th century conotations, that are in their majority american (as from the US, or great Satan, if you will) uses.
Indians is an even bigger absurd.

And sure, my ignorant relatives and the ignorant people around me that are portuguese speakers (brazilians) gave continuation to their ignorance by not utilizing these words at all. Their influence ran so deep, that it certainly tainted linguistics for everyone too.

You know, if I found out there was a word I used that was inoffensive in my country, but was considered offensive to say... people in Tibet, I would probably not use that word on GAF if a Tibetan person told me that. It is courtesy.

You know, it is inoffensive everywhere. If you associate gypsies (yes, it is an actual denotation) with bad things, it is your problem.

Gypsy is derogative to those people.

It is a denotation.

 

[Dead Man]

And yet, you continue to be aggressive, condescending, insulting, an obstacle on discussions in those kind of threads, and you don´t suffer the consequence. It´s like you have a pseudo cart blanche which give the right to be as obnoxious, insulting, condescending as possible without any repercussions.

And she also has to put up with this sort of rubbish. Probably a fair trade even if the situation you describe existed. But it doesn't.

 

[TheGreatDivide]

I got a full month for calling some people out whom I felt were victim blaming.

But you do that every day.