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[lucius]

Of course Superbowls matter but winning the NFL MVP is just as hard to achieve, can easily argue it's even harder to do. Just look at last year how amazing Peyton played would have won almost any other year just Adrian Peterson was just having that crazy year, stil Peyton has been voted NFL MVP 4 times already.

 

[Gannd]

Brady's whole thing was this for most of his early career.

Manning has come back from all sorts of stuff. They both are fully capable of putting a ton of points on the board at any second.

My point is that there isn't a "best" but I feel like there's a handful on equal setting.

Answer the question: Would you you pick Brady or Manning when the chips are down and you have a few minutes to pull out a win? I don't think you would do that. Montana is the best. He's the greatest that has played.

 

[dirtywhirlwind]

Well, I gotta repeat Tom Brady here. But only because he won me a TON of money (40:1) when he became MVP in Super Bowl 36..

 

[b0neshank]

While Brady is a good QB, Manning is the better player, but I agree that Montana could probably be considered better than both of them. Of course I believe Walter Payton is best player to ever play the game, and I am a hardcore GB fan.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

Answer the question: Would you you pick Brady or Manning when the chips are down and you have a few minutes to pull out a win? I don't think you would do that. Montana is the best. He's the greatest that has played.

Montana is the best, but Brady is the best that's playing right now. Manning is only the best if the NFL suddenly stopped having playoffs, but I feel like even then, he'd find a way to fall apart.

 

[Jarate]

While Brady is a good QB, Manning is the better player, but I agree that Montana could probably be considered better than both of them. Of course I believe Walter Payton is best player to ever play the game, and I am a hardcore GB fan.

Jerry Rice

 

[Halcyon]

Answer the question: Would you you pick Brady or Manning when the chips are down and you have a few minutes to pull out a win? I don't think you would do that. Montana is the best. He's the greatest that has played.

Me personally I would pick Brady. I am a pats fan though and I've seen him lead all sorts of drives down the field.

 

[dorkimoe]

he is proving that he is better than brady

The colts were stupid to give him up, they should have signed luck and given him the aaron rodgers treatment for 2 years, let him sit and learn from the best QB in the game.

Went to denver and is making everyone look silly

Me personally I would pick Brady. I am a pats fan though and I've seen him lead all sorts of drives down the field.

manning has 11 more game winning drives. he will be all time leader by the time hes done
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/gwd_career.htm

 

[Hunter S.]

Montana is the best, but Brady is the best that's playing right now. Manning is only the best if the NFL suddenly stopped having playoffs, but I feel like even then, he'd find a way to fall apart.

This is funniest most ignorant post in the thread. Look at their QB ratings, touchdowns scored, and interceptions thrown the last two years. Baltimore won by field goal against the Broncos. The Patriots asses were spanked by Baltimore twice last year.

 

[Parallax]

Best ever? He's not even the best QB of his generation.

(and I'm a Giants fan FFS)

EDIT: beaten like Tom Brady in a SB against the Giants.

My heart. Its full of fucking rage.

 

[B-Dubs]

My heart. Its full of fucking rage.

The truth is painful isn't it?

 

[Duane Cunningham]

 

[Crisco]

Peyton cherry picked a shit division for over a decade and then lucked into a Super Bowl against the worst champ the NFC has ever produced. He's a stat whore who chokes when it matters. He's not even the best quarterback in his family.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

The truth is painful isn't it?

How are the Giants doing this year?

 

[AngmarsKing701]

If success is measured by legit SB's, then Montana and Terry Bradshaw each have 4.

Peyton doesn't cut it once the regular season ends.

Brady is a female and a cheater and therefore not under consideration.

 

[AngmarsKing701]

How are the Giants doing this year?

Same record as the Jags.

 

[DUFFMCWALIN]

Same record as the Jags.

LOL

 

[Sanjuro]

It goes Manning Bledsoe Brady in that order.

 

[FallingEdge]

same amount of rings as Trent dilfer and joe flacco

#chokeArtist

huehuehuehuehue

Payton is not even the best quarterback in his family.

P. Manning is prolly the best regular season quarterback of all time.

Montana and Brady are GOAT.

 

[greatestjediever]

He was said to carry his team, and sure he carried his team, but he also happened to have Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James and a pretty damn good o-line, so sure, he carried the team, but much in the same way that Montana carried a team filled with Jerry Rice, and Roger Craig.

Brady never had offensive talent other then on the o-line. Deion Branch was probably his biggest weapon. I guess Kevin Faulk was decent, but Brady had a lot of mediocre players on Offense and still put up some pretty good numbers.

When Brady got a hall of fame reciever, he ended breaking the record for most TD passes in a season btw.

It's hard to say. Reggie and Edge we will probably never get to really know how they would've been without Manning (since both obviously benefited from playing within and learning that offensive system). Harrison played 2 years before Peyton came and had pretty solid but unspectacular years.

Year Team G GS Rec Yards AVG LG TD
1996 IND 16 15 64 836 13.1 41 8
1997 IND 16 15 73 866 11.9 56 6
1998 IND 12 12 59 776 13.2 61T 7

Even in his first year with Peyton, he didn't do that much. It wasn't until Peyton's second year that he really started taking off. So was he always going to be great, or was he great together with Peyton? I think it's rare that a player can excel completely on his own - it's usually in combination with other players (Peyton is no exception this year, he wouldn't be anywhere near what he is without DT, Welker, Decker and JT, just like they wouldn't be anywhere near where they are without somebody of his caliber).

The Patriots never had much offensive talent before 2007, but really, their system before that didn't really need it. Their offense is predicated around providing max protection to give Brady enough time for his receivers to get free. Even less talented receivers can get open with enough time and with good routes (especially unselfish ones that buy into a system like the Patriots often draft). When you're supported by a dominant defense, you can excel on something like this as much as they did. Look at their outcomes since their defense started slowing down: high powered offenses that when they stutter, get exposed by other teams. They can no longer rely on their defense to hold and win games anymore and Brady now experiences what Peyton did for all those years.

In 2006, there was no way Peyton was going to win a Super Bowl without his defense. He threw 5-6 INTs going into the AFC Championship, with only 1 TD. But the pourous Indy D went ballistic, shutting down run happy KC and Baltimore, and outside a pretty bad game against the Patriots until the end, took advantage of horrid playing whether in the Super Bowl.

He's not even the best quarterback in his family.

I guess Archie is pretty awesome.

 

[BruiserBear]

I think Manning is the best ever. Hoping he wins the Super Bowl again this year.

 

[Various Artists]

If Brady had some of the weapons that Manning had early in his career he would have had several seasons of 2007 type numbers.

Brady is better(but not by much)

 

[OnPoint]

huehuehuehuehue

Payton is not even the best quarter back in his family.

P. Manning is prolly the best regular season quarterback of all time.

Montana and Brady are GOAT.

All it takes is another ring or two to make the convo more difficult. Really excited to see where things go this year.

 

[greatestjediever]

If Brady had some of the weapons that Manning had early in his career he would have had several seasons of 2007 type numbers.

Brady is better(but not by much)

Likewise, if Manning had Brady's defense and special teams he would have had many more Super Bowls and the conversation would be reversed.

In fact, he won a Super Bowl with just the special teams captain!

 

[Kirlia]

I guess Archie is pretty awesome.

Hahaha! As much as I like Eli, he really hasn't done himself any favors this season so far. But then again, during one season, his team started out 5-0 and then, if I remember right, lost at least four games in a row afterward, so maybe he'll do the opposite and start a win streak this year. Maybe.

Spoiler

Probably not.

 

[Tom Penny]

Joe Namath is the best. Hands down.

 

[Gannd]

Montana is the best, but Brady is the best that's playing right now. Manning is only the best if the NFL suddenly stopped having playoffs, but I feel like even then, he'd find a way to fall apart.

that's a different question. Anyone who would pick Manning or Brady over Montana has to be using fan glasses. I'm a Niners fan so it helps having Montana but he's the best. I'm glad we don't have any Farve fans here.

 

[Dragon]

If success is measured by legit SB's, then Montana and Terry Bradshaw each have 4.

Peyton doesn't cut it once the regular season ends.

Brady is a female and a cheater and therefore not under consideration.

0-4

 

[Deadbeat]

Joe Namath is the best. Hands down.

Just one thing.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Montana is the best, but Brady is the best that's playing right now. Manning is only the best if the NFL suddenly stopped having playoffs, but I feel like even then, he'd find a way to fall apart.

No, you're confused. Brady fell apart in two Super Bowls. Giants pressured him and he choked. And sat down and cried like a baby. It is known

 

[Jarate]

Joe Namath is the best. Hands down.

Speaking of overrated qbs...

Although im pretty sure everyone knew that Namath shouldnt be a HOF

 

[Version 3.0]

But why is that? He's not cocky. He doesn't take shots at other players. He isn't flashy. I feel like it is just that he plays so consistently that if you aren't a Pats fan it drives you insane. You can't sit there and say "well we have a good chance because he'll probably throw an interception". It's just a freight train of consistency coming at you every time you face him.

That and he's handsome married a supermodel and clearly is enjoying the life of ages.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't hate Brady for his talent or what team he's on. He's fantastic, obviously a top contender for best ever. But I don't like him because he strikes me as a jerk. Too often, I've seen him screaming at teammates, throwing little tantrums, even yelling at refs for something as simple as allowing a timeout. Everyone loses their temper sometimes, but my impression of him is that he's just not very nice. He often seems mad even when they're slaughtering their opponent. Sure, when he's thinking about the fact that he's on camera, he's chill, and he clearly tries to keep a good image, not throwing insults through the media like some (stupid) players do. But underneath that, I see a jerk.

 

[Striker]

Peyton cherry picked a shit division for over a decade and then lucked into a Super Bowl against the worst champ the NFC has ever produced. He's a stat whore who chokes when it matters. He's not even the best quarterback in his family.

Each team has had fairly easy divisions. The Patriots had the Jets as a big division rival for a few years, even losing to them in the playoffs, and the Colts had the Titans winning a couple seasons and going to the post-season as well.

Montana is the best, but Brady is the best that's playing right now. Manning is only the best if the NFL suddenly stopped having playoffs, but I feel like even then, he'd find a way to fall apart.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00/gamelog/post/

He hasn't been so great in the playoffs since he's become an elite QB. One game of stat-padding against the Broncos in 2011 helps inflate his numbers.

 

[Parallax]

The truth is painful isn't it?

Seeing the patriots pancake it in the superb owl made want to throw my couch out the window. I don't know what that preseason performance was, but it was damn embarrassing.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

that's a different question. Anyone who would pick Manning or Brady over Montana has to be using fan glasses. I'm a Niners fan so it helps having Montana but he's the best. I'm glad we don't have any Farve fans here.

Montana is just the best, that isn't even conjecture, it's just fact.

No, you're confused. Brady fell apart in two Super Bowls. Giants pressured him and he choked. And sat down and cried like a baby. It is known

He's also won three of them.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

He's also won three of them.

All thanks to the true MVP of those SBs, Adam Vinatieri!

 

[OnPoint]

Montana is just the best, that isn't even conjecture, it's just fact.



He's also won* three of them.

Yeah... sure did.

 

[Liquidsnake]

The best? I don't know hes in the top three I have ever seen.


1) Joe Montana
2) Peyton Manning
3) Dan Marino

 

[crimzonflame]

I don't care what people say. Eli is the best; I bought a $650 watch because of him.

 

[Kano on the Phone]

I don't care what people say. Eli is the best; I bought a $650 watch because of him.

Eli isn't the best, but he's for sure better than Peyton so far.

 

[womfalcs3]

Speaking of overrated qbs...

Although im pretty sure everyone knew that Namath shouldnt be a HOF

I think he only won around half the games he played.

 

[cdyhybrid]

It's Russell Wilson.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Peyton is the greatest yes

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

He's also won three of them.

Won by cheating. The Patriots cheated. Those wins should be stricken from the record books.

 

[crimzonflame]

Here's a list of my favourite QBs.

Young
Cunningham
Peyton
Warner
Vick
Eli

Montana in his prime was a little before my time so I didnt really get to see him play.

 

[CitizenCope]

I get to watch every Brady game.
Brady is better in the Playoffs.
Manning is a much better passer. Best Ever.

Montana.

 

[PanicFreak]

People overrate Elway to such an absurd degree.

Why don't we look at this guys stats

Completion % - 56.9
300 TD's Compared to 226 INT
Career passing rating of 79.9

Now let's put these numbers into perspective, Favre, who constantly get ridiculed for throwing so many INTs has 336 INT, a lot more then elways, but 508 td passes

Elway only has 74 more td passes then INTs, Favre has 164 more TD's then INTs

EDIT: Peyton Manning is not as good as Brady. Brady has been such a monster and has 3 superbowl rings along with taking very mediocre offenses to incredible heights. He's 4-0 without a stacked team like Manning has

Sure we should give him credit for winning a lot, and going to so many super bowls, but his stat line reminds me so much of Ben Roethlisberger (in fact through the same points in their career I would say that Roethlisberger has beter stats then Elway, and also has 2 rings)

The guy was good no doubt, but Marino, Favre, Young, Montana, Brady, and Manning are all better by a pretty large margin. I'd put Elway in the same tier as Warren Moon and Jim Kelly.

Elway took teams composed of dog shit to three Super Bowls. Take a look at those Denver Broncos teams from the 80's and what do you see? Here is what I see:

1 Hall of Famer (John Elway)
2 Guys who have made it one cut for Hall of Fame Voting (Tom Jackson and Karl Mecklenburg)

Karl Mecklenburg was there for all three Super Bowls. Steve Atwater was a rookie in 1989. So to be fair, there are actually three players that have made it to the round of 25. That's it.

Look at the teams they played against in the Super Bowls.

New York Giants: Hall of Fame coach, greatest outside linebacker in the history of the game (and Hall of Famer), and another Hall of Fame linebacker. Note: Phil Simms played the best game ever in that Super Bowl, statistically speaking.

Washington Redskins: Hall of Fame coach, Hall of Fame Cornerback, Hall of Fame offensive guard, and a Hall of Fame wide receiver. Note: The Washington Redskins scored 35 points in one quarter of this game.

San Francisco 49ers: Hall of Fame Safety, Hall of Fame Quarterback (and a guy widely considered the greatest QB ever), and Hall of Fame Wide Receiver (and a guy widely considered the best player ever). Note: this was the most lopsided victory in Super Bowl history.

Each one of those teams won multiple Super Bowls in their "era". The Redskins won three, the 49ers won four (five if you believe 1995 is in that same era, I don't) and the Giants won two.

What happened when Elway was on a team with legit Hall of Fame talent (Shannon Sharpe & Gary Zimmerman)? Well the Broncos won more games in three seasons than any other team, ever. They were one and done in 1996 but won next two Super Bowls.

Elway was a guy that played on decent teams in the 80's which were consistently outmatched in three Super Bowls but he proved what he could do with real talent on his team when he won back to back Super Bowls and retired as Super Bowl MVP.

 

[Tangeroo]

The Broncos yell Papa John's when Manning calls an audible. GOAT confirmed.

 

[Spinluck]

Peyton cherry picked a shit division for over a decade and then lucked into a Super Bowl against the worst champ the NFC has ever produced. He's a stat whore who chokes when it matters. He's not even the best quarterback in his family.

That's funny, because some pretty good teams lost to that 13-3 and Bears team. They also had a great defense.

Also, they beat the Patriots in the biggest Playoff comeback ever, so why the does it even matter? They also went through the Ravens who statistically had the one of the best defenses that past decade that year. I believe they were also 13-3 and we beat them in the playoffs. Both teams had better records than the Colts that year (Ravens and Bears).

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Brady is the best looking QB ever.