Is Peyton Manning the best quarterback of all time? No.

Is Peyton Manning the greatest quarterback ever?

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Me and my buddies had this discussion a few weeks back.

We honestly all feel Brady has it.
I took a lot of convincing to actually agree with it but now I do.

This is coming from a HUGE Jets fan too.

I curse him but can't help admire him especially how out of left field he came onto the scene. Round 6 Pick 199 in 2000 draft. Considered the best draft pick of all time. Came in from 4th string because Bledsoe got hurt and since then well it's history.

Really gotta respect the guy. Beyond football he has his super hot wife Giselle and he can wear UGGs in public as a straight guy without getting much shit for it (joke me and my buddies have about him). People can bash him all they want but what does he care? He really has the fucking life.
 
I do think Brees is weirdly underrated.

He's clearly top 20 all time when you look at his resume but most people, including myself, never really seem to think of him in that way.
 
Kusagari said:
I do think Brees is weirdly underrated.

He's clearly top 20 all time when you look at his resume but most people, including myself, never really seem to think of him in that way.
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Jake Delhomme > Drew Brees
 
Brady sucks under pressure. Like he literally sucked in the last two superbowls and he sucked when he was rushed. That's how you beat him. PUt a lot of pressure on him.

Peyton is way better. TRUTH
 
teruterubozu said:
Uh, same thing with Manning. Any pocket QB gets fucked under pressure, that's why they need a ridiculous front line.
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The same is not true of Manning. I've never seen Manning have as bad a game as Brady under pressure. I've seen multiple games where Brady looked awful. Most recently the Thursday night game against the Jets. He played like utter shit because the Jets were pressuring him the entire game. There's a way to beat pressure; Brady just doesn't know how.
 
Ludicrous Speed said:
The same is not true of Manning. I've never seen Manning have as bad a game as Brady under pressure. I've seen multiple games where Brady looked awful. Most recently the Thursday night game against the Jets. He played like utter shit because the Jets were pressuring him the entire game. There's a way to beat pressure; Brady just doesn't know how.
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That's a ludicrously oversimplified view of a 'flaw'. Its like saying that Lebron James is easy to contain if you just make him shoot jumpshots.
 
Ludicrous Speed said:
Brady sucks under pressure. Like he literally sucked in the last two superbowls and he sucked when he was rushed. That's how you beat him. PUt a lot of pressure on him.

Peyton is way better. TRUTH
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That's how you beat any QB though. Even Aaron Rodgers will have problems and he's significantly more mobile.
 
I do know when it is asked more people like Peyton than Brady. I still give Belichick more credit for the teams success than I would give any coach Peyton ever had for his teams continual successes.
 
I don't know enough about older QBs (Marino, Elway, Montana, et al) to say that Manning is unequivocally better than they were, but if I were starting a team and I had the choice of drafting Manning or Brady, I would take Manning without a moment's hesitation.
 
iamblades said:
Yeah the 'more rings = better' argument for ranking athletes in team sports is nonsensical.

Trying to rank athletes across different eras doesn't work either.
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It seems like the majority of people like to use the ring argument until you go "ok so Bill Russell > Jordan right?" and then you watch them stutter and stumble their way into a bunch of excuses why that doesn't count.
 
I'd put him above Brady at least. I dunno about the best ever but him and Brady certainly are amongst the best ever.
 
teruterubozu said:
Uh, same thing with Manning. Any pocket QB gets fucked under pressure, that's why they need a ridiculous front line.
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Except Manning's Oline has been decimated this year by injuries. Their two starting centers and Pro Bowl left tackle are on IR. Not to mention his Oline in his last few years in Indy couldn't generate any holes for a running game if their lives depended on it. Denver can really only establish a run game now when the offense has gashed the defenses through the air so thoroughly that they start having to put in more nickle DBs and playing soft coverages.

Peyton also really helps out his front line by moving up into pockets to avoid outside pressure and tries to throw the ball out quickly when he feels the heat coming. He'll much more happily throw it away then hold onto it too long looking for an open receiver.

I honestly don't know if I've seen a better front line than the 2007 Pats had though (outside of their playoff run). Brady literally could stand still in the pocket for ages without anyone even sniffing his Uggs.

That said, probably Montana.
 
Manning is my favorite player ever. I watched a lot more Colts football than I wanted to because of him. He's incredibly exciting and he knows and manages the game better than anyone else currently playing.

But he needs another ring.

Results matter. And when he's not measuring up favorably to the other best QB this generation in terms of results (or even his brother), it's hard to call him the best ever, because Super Bowl wins do matter.
 
It used to be Montana and I would hang my hat on his post season success. However that would mean I have to elevate that dirty cheater Brady and I can't do that. Manning has ridiculous stats thru his whole career and I suspect he'll get another ring.

Post season success over rates a QB.
 
As must as I hate to admit it he may go down as one of the best of all time. Atleast as far as regular season goes. The way he reads defenses is simply amazing. he should make a great coach... If nothing else he is up there with Marino, Montana, Farve... probably will surpass Farve's records. Brady deserves some talk, and I am curious to see what Aaron Rodgers will do over the next few years...
 
MrPressStart said:
As must as I hate to admit it he may go down as one of the best of all time. Atleast as far as regular season goes. The way he reads defenses is simply amazing. he should make a great coach...
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You know, it's funny, but I don't think he'd be a great coach. He strikes as someone who is way too A-type. Look at his backups as reference. It should be telling that the best one he's ever had was the Great Jim Sorgi. Maybe if there was a young player out there with his similar mindset, he could mentor them, but I just don't see him being able to pick up any group of guys and coach them to be great.
 
I said it earlier but the answer is "Montana Brady Marino Manning" in any order.

You can try to shit on brady all you want but he has been a shining example of a quarterback for his entire career.
 
HalcyonTB12 said:
I said it earlier but the answer is "Montana Brady Marino Manning" in any order.

You can try to shit on brady all you want but he has been a shining example of a quarterback for his entire career.
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You forgot Elway. He could run with the ball unlike Marino. Also, notice of the top 10 QBs ever Brady gets the most hate.
 
Hunter S Thompson said:
You forgot Elway. He could run with the ball unlike Marino. Also, notice of the top 10 QBs ever Brady gets the most hate.
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Because he's driven and looks flawless.

It scares people.

It's easier to root for the goofy fivehead or the horseface.

Edit:

I wish scruffy Brady came back.

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Peyton Manning is better than Brady. Brady has been part of a system that has worked well and he rarely has to throw for 300+ yards because he always has a good defense and a running game.

The whole total championships total as the math for the best in sports is dumb. If this is the case Eli would be deemed better than Peyton .

It is hard to say the best of all time because my football knowledge only spans 15 years. I haven't watched tape of Bart Starr and it was a different game back then anyway.
 
FriedConsole said:
Peyton Manning is better than Brady. Brady has been part of a system that has worked well and he rarely has to throw for 300+ yards because he always has a good defense and a running game.

The whole total championships total as the math for the best in sports is dumb. If this is the case Eli would be deemed better than Peyton .

It is hard to say the best of all time because my football knowledge only spans 15 years. I haven't watched tape of Bart Starr and it was a different game back then anyway.
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LOLOLOL. You stopped watching football in 2008?
 
Hunter S Thompson said:
You forgot Elway. He could run with the ball unlike Marino. Also, notice of the top 10 QBs ever Brady gets the most hate.
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But why is that? He's not cocky. He doesn't take shots at other players. He isn't flashy. I feel like it is just that he plays so consistently that if you aren't a Pats fan it drives you insane. You can't sit there and say "well we have a good chance because he'll probably throw an interception". It's just a freight train of consistency coming at you every time you face him.

That and he's handsome married a supermodel and clearly is enjoying the life of ages.
 
FriedConsole said:
Peyton Manning is better than Brady. Brady has been part of a system that has worked well and he rarely has to throw for 300+ yards because he always has a good defense and a running game.

The whole total championships total as the math for the best in sports is dumb. If this is the case Eli would be deemed better than Peyton .

It is hard to say the best of all time because my football knowledge only spans 15 years. I haven't watched tape of Bart Starr and it was a different game back then anyway.
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It's not the total math. Peyton is definitely better than Eli. But the stats between them are more starkly contrasting than Peyton and Brady. WIth those stats so similar, it only makes sense that championships would move the needle one way or the other.
 
Milchjon said:
Because he's driven and looks flawless.

It scares people.

It's easier to root for the goofy fivehead or the horseface.

Edit:

I wish scruffy Brady came back.
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You cannot say Elway was not a sexy beast in a weird sort of way. For that matter, I was always called a pretty boy myself so I am not intimidated by good looks.

John is married to a hotty 30 year old ex-cheerleader while being only 53.

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Hunter S Thompson said:
You cannot say Elway was not a sexy beast in a weird sort of way. For that matter, I was always called a pretty boy myself so I am not intimidated by good looks.

John is married to a hotty 30 year old ex-cheerleader while being only 53.

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The first couple of posts make me proud. Brady is the GOAT.

He's fucking 4-0 playing with absolute scrubs and making them look like veterans.

Peyton Manning gets the worst case of noodle arm ever in the playoffs. Can't handle the pressure.
 
Tawpgun said:
The first couple of posts make me proud. Brady is the GOAT.

He's fucking 4-0 playing with absolute scrubs and making them look like veterans.

Peyton Manning gets the worst case of noodle arm ever in the playoffs. Can't handle the pressure.
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Haha, not sure I'd agree.

We're struggling and it's a small miracle we're 4-0 after that offseason, the injuries and the drops.

Oh well, another lost season for Brady.
 
Joe Montana, guys. No question.

Then It gets murky.

Peyton has all the stats to be considered the best but a less than stellar playoff record.

Brady is a system QB. The system totally works though. Matt Cassell started for them in 2008 and they still won 11-5. Was Matt Cassell that great? Also, the system involves cheating pre 2007. So to many 0 rings for that guy were won legitimately. Those tapes were destroyed and never to be seen by anybody, ever. Must be damning.

Joe Montana then Steve Young, Manning, Elway, Marino.
 
Seems like that's just a good team with some good players and being well coached. If the result is they can be successful with a mediocre QB I think it's more of a Belichick evil genius thing.
 
People overrate Elway to such an absurd degree.

Why don't we look at this guys stats

Completion % - 56.9
300 TD's Compared to 226 INT
Career passing rating of 79.9

Now let's put these numbers into perspective, Favre, who constantly get ridiculed for throwing so many INTs has 336 INT, a lot more then elways, but 508 td passes

Elway only has 74 more td passes then INTs, Favre has 164 more TD's then INTs

EDIT: Peyton Manning is not as good as Brady. Brady has been such a monster and has 3 superbowl rings along with taking very mediocre offenses to incredible heights. He's 4-0 without a stacked team like Manning has

Sure we should give him credit for winning a lot, and going to so many super bowls, but his stat line reminds me so much of Ben Roethlisberger (in fact through the same points in their career I would say that Roethlisberger has beter stats then Elway, and also has 2 rings)

The guy was good no doubt, but Marino, Favre, Young, Montana, Brady, and Manning are all better by a pretty large margin. I'd put Elway in the same tier as Warren Moon and Jim Kelly.
 
Jarate said:
People overrate Elway to such an absurd degree.

Why don't we look at this guys stats

Completion % - 56.9
300 TD's Compared to 226 INT
Career passing rating of 79.9

Now let's put these numbers into perspective, Favre, who constantly get ridiculed for throwing so many INTs has 336 INT, a lot more then elways, but 508 td passes

Elway only has 74 more td passes then INTs, Favre has 164 more TD's then INTs
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You play to win though, and that means giving the ball to TERRELL DAVIS and letting him work his magic.

What's a better QB? One that makes his team not look like shitheads, or someone who has a gifted team around them? The man who runs the machine or runs out ahead of it?

Also where's the Randall Cunningham talk?
 
Jarate said:
People overrate Elway to such an absurd degree.

Why don't we look at this guys stats

Completion % - 56.9
300 TD's Compared to 226 INT
Career passing rating of 79.9

Now let's put these numbers into perspective, Favre, who constantly get ridiculed for throwing so many INTs has 336 INT, a lot more then elways, but 508 td passes

Elway only has 74 more td passes then INTs, Favre has 164 more TD's then INTs

Sure we should give him credit for winning a lot, and going to so many super bowls, but his stat line reminds me so much of Ben Roethlisberger (in fact through the same points in their career I would say that Roethlisberger has beter stats then Elway, and also has 2 rings)

The guy was good no doubt, but Marino, Favre, Young, Montana, Brady, and Manning are all better by a pretty large margin. I'd put Elway in the same tier as Warren Moon and Jim Kelly.
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I bet your favorite Super Bowl is XXXII.

Elway played in an era with defense. Farve played partly in that time, but lasted into the era of less defense. Like we see today with QBs breaking passing records all the time. It was a tough man's era.
 
SmackCrackleNPop said:
Seems like that's just a good team with some good players and being well coached. If the result is they can be successful with a mediocre QB I think it's more of a Belichick evil genius thing.
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They missed the playoffs a year after maybe the most impressive season in the history of the NFL.
 
I think we're running into the problem of the average age of a poster on this forum being like 20. Montana is the greatest QB to ever play. It's not even a contest. I don't even think Brady or Manning would want to compare themselves because if they were down by 3 in the 4 quarter with just a few minutes left, they'd want Montana leading their team as well.
 
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