LordOfChaos
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Jeeze, not a good year for things starting with "Ever" fucking up the market, eh
Is the Chinese stock market about to collapse? Perhaps.
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LordOfChaos
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There's lots of Chinese cars, and they're increasingly interested in export
This is now being exported to Europe in English, and Nio isn't the first. Why do you think they're so nice to Tesla, take a few more years to "learn" about it for their export ambitions.
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Teslas build quality is trash though. They'd be better off studying any other vehicle.
LordOfChaos
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A few panel gaps aren't all there is to a car, they're still the most efficient EV, at least until the Lucid Air but that's way more expensive than the most popular Tesla.
The Made in China Teslas are also far better on build quality. It's the Fremont factory that has the shoddiest build quality. Roughly correlates with how new the factory is so hopefully Texas will be even better than China.
No they aren't. Quoted efficiency and observed efficiency do not line up in independent tests. Also build quality isn't the same as efficiency anyways. Teslas rank at the absolute bottom of problems per car of not just EVs but ICE cars as well.
idk about your claim about chinas build quality being any better than American made Teslas since Tesla has already ran afoul of the govt as is. I don't see anything factual to back up that claim. Just the China investigation and nhtsa investigation.
LordOfChaos
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Well there's videos of the Chinese models as in what you quoted and most comparisons seem to point to Fremont being the biggest issue with build quality. They really aught to pause that factory for a few weeks and just take care of that once and for all, but with their growth targets they probably won't have any breathing room to do that until Texas is ramped.
Chinese-built Tesla Model 3 ranks high in quality survey
The Tesla Model 3 was rated second best in a J.D. Power quality survey from the Chinese market—a much better result than vehicles from Tesla's California plant.
There's a few tests that disputed the EPA numbers, and you can look at different things, but they do generally lead the pack in efficiency, sure you could find areas a Taycan may win out but the EPA cycle is mixed load. And far better efficiency than Chinese cars like Nio right now.
There's little disputing they're the EV leader right now, and build quality aside there's obviously things China would want to learn from.
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EverydayBeast
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Insane Metal
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Just saw the news. Evergrande has defaulted. Edit: it was clickbait but it's darn close
www.thestandard.com.hk
Default fears as Evergrande misses coupon payments
Some bondholders of cash-strapped China Evergrande Group (3333) have not received coupon payments by the end of 30-day grace periods at close of Asia business yesterday, sources said, pushing the deve...
www.thestandard.com.hk
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Insane Metal
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Markets about to plunge in the next hours. Holy shit the economy is already in shambles all over the world. :|
6502
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Why?
I thought evergrande made their payments and inflation was to remain around 2%
Am I missing something or is my info bunk?
EDIT: reading lots of contrary shit online.
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