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[cyberheater]

I'm sure Killzone for PS3 will be stunning and all but have Sony et all set the hype and expectation too high.

I feel sorry for the devs. Talk about no pressure...

 

[Speevy]

Insightful.

 

[DarienA]

Who gives a shit the game will be slagged regardless of how it comes out.

 

[FiRez]

I'm sure Killzone for PS3 will be stunning and all but have Sony et all set the hype and expectation too high.

I feel sorry for the devs. Talk about no pressure...

.....it has happened before

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Who gives a shit the game will be slagged regardless of how it comes out.

well...the first one was hyped quite large. And was made quite badly. So...

 

[AB 101]

well...the first one was hyped quite large. And was made quite badly. So...

Who exactly started the Halo killer shit?

I don't think it was Sony.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Mags started the Halo killer shit, they also said that Killzone would be using NRUBS technology now I am hearing that Guerrilla are employing the NURBS tech for Killzone 2 for PS3. lol

First thing Guerrila has to do is prove they can make good games.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Who exactly started the Halo killer shit?

I don't think it was Sony.

That turd of a gaming site Computer and Videogames, then it sorta latched on, and everybody started using it.

 

[gofreak]

I agree that regardless of how it ends up looking - even if it's as good as the demo - whatever about gameplay quality, some will be picking at it and comparing it unfavourably to the original demo. There are those who are already prepared to argue its inferiority, I think..it'll be an auto-response.

One thing to remember is that Sony included this as a demo of what they think will be possible on PS3. That doesn't mean it's what they expect all games to look like, obviously, so I'm not sure re. pressure for devs, those except Guerrilla anyway. It's as likely as not that that's what they think marks the high end for PS3 games, something that's ultimately possible.

As for expecting Killzone level graphics, I wouldn't expect it, but ultimately I'd like to keep an open mind about it. I think it might be possible, I don't want to underestimate what the best devs can do with that kind of hardware (looking at what Capcom did on GC, Konami did on PS2 etc.) Some of the first gen stuff is looking very impressive (Heavenly Sword for example), so who knows a couple of gens down the line..

 

[PhatSaqs]

Who exactly started the Halo killer shit?

I don't think it was Sony.

OPM. And since people say the official mags are sanction by the HW makers....

 

[duckroll]

Do we really need Killzone thread #4753?

 

[Ranger X]

What expectations? I guess it gives an idea of some of the best quality in visual that we will get next gen. Killzone was very nice visually, the flaws were in the gameplay department for the most part. I wouldn't doubt Guerilla ability to make good graphics (though i doubt PS3 will look like that demo in the first years) but i doubt about Killzone 2 being a good game.

 

[sangreal]

Well considering our resident possible Guerrilla employee's attempts at curbing expectations of it, I'd say yes.

 

[cyberheater]

Well put it another way. If Killzone for PS3 doesn't look as good as the demo then I can see some serious backlash over it.

I keep watching the Killzone vid and i'm in awe. You can even see the guys eyelashes ffs.
It's amazing.

I really do hope they manage to pull it of.

 

[Reilly]

If Killzone wasn't rushed for the holiday season, it could have been a solid game. The only thing holding that game back were bugs/glitches. The environments and weapons were awesome.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Well put it another way. If Killzone for PS3 doesn't look as good as the demo then I can see some serious backlash over it.

I keep watching the Killzone vid and i'm in awe. You can even see the guys eyelashes ffs.
It's amazing.

I really do hope they manage to pull it of.

Tone down your expectations a bit, it's Guerrilla. They couldn't make a decent looking game on PC or Xbox...

 

[mrklaw]

do you think the faults in the gameplay in Killzone on PS2 were down to lack of talent, or simply trying to push the hardware too far? Is it possible to see a good game deep down inside Killzone?

I'm just wondering if everyone is hating on Killzone (and killzone 2/3 by default) because it didn't live up to their expectations, or it was simply poor.

 

[123rl]

That turd of a gaming site Computer and Videogames, then it sorta latched on, and everybody started using it.

Actually I think it was Edge who started it, that turd of a gaming magazine :lol

 

[Shogmaster]

Do we really need Killzone thread #4753?

Seriously. Even I am sick of talking about it. :lol

 

[Ranger X]

do you think the faults in the gameplay in Killzone on PS2 were down to lack of talent, or simply trying to push the hardware too far? Is it possible to see a good game deep down inside Killzone?

I'm just wondering if everyone is hating on Killzone (and killzone 2/3 by default) because it didn't live up to their expectations, or it was simply poor.

I didn't like the "no jump" of Killzone (thought the game was well-designed around it).
Some sequences felt cheap and the game was unplayably choppy at times. Not a bad game but could have been better if it wasn't rushed to market.

 

[Elios83]

I don't care if Guerrilla can make the actual Killzone 3 looking like the E3 demo,of course they're responsible for what they have decided to show.
But I'm 100% sure that those kinf of graphics are achievable on the PS3 hardware.
Of course I really have faith in Kojima's team abilities but I'm also impressed that both Square and Epic were able to achieve impressive results using only the PPE of the (downclocked) Cell and G70 (or whatever preliminary GPU is in the devkit).

 

[cyberheater]

Yes but this is a Killzone 2 thread and Sony used it as a showcase of it's technical superior graphical power.

 

[gofreak]

Yes but this is a Killzone 2 thread and Sony used it as a showcase of it's technical superior graphical power.

That + a bunch of other demos too. Not all of Killzone quality, certainly. Perhaps a good indicator of the mix we'll get next-gen (with, hopefully, a Killzone level of graphics figuring in somewhere, even if in a small minority of games).

Killzone is not being held out as a standard all PS3 games should match.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

do you think the faults in the gameplay in Killzone on PS2 were down to lack of talent, or simply trying to push the hardware too far? Is it possible to see a good game deep down inside Killzone?

I'm just wondering if everyone is hating on Killzone (and killzone 2/3 by default) because it didn't live up to their expectations, or it was simply poor.

Probably a little of both. This came up before, but I thought a different team did the even more awful Shellshock game.

Since the new Killzone was one of the main focuses of their e3 films, I don't see why expectations shouldn't be high. They didn't seem bothered that they were high the first time around. They simply failed to meet quality expectations.

 

[cyberheater]

Seriously. Even I am sick of talking about it. :lol

Right. Then lock the thread. I'm sure they'll be plenty of fruitfull discussion before the Killzone launch...

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

What expectations? Killzone was very nice visually

Quite easy to do with Superman 64/Turok 64 fog. Draw distance shorter than your arm

 

[Ranger X]

What expectations? Killzone was very nice visually

Quite easy to do with Superman 64/Turok 64 fog. Draw distance shorter than your arm

Well the draw distance wasn't harmfull to the game like in Superman 64 or again Turok.
I don't care about draw distance if i don't need it. I remember Killzone having all the draw distance i need.

 

[C- Warrior]

You know, it pisses me off when I see Killzone (ps3) so high on the anticipation lists (wishlists, popularity ratings etc.)

First off, Killzone 1 could have been better (and I'm trying to be nice here...)

Next, the developer itself hasn't made any super quality game.

And finally, not only is the CG/5 FPS/Wannabe real-time or whatnot fake trailer caused high expactions for Killzone (ps3) itself, but also fucked over some other developers.

I can imagine screens for MGS4 coming out, and people saying "it looks shit compared to what Killzone (ps3) did!111!"

Argh >_<

 

[CrunchinJelly]

I'm sure Killzone for PS3 will be stunning and all but have Sony et all set the hype and expectation too high.

I feel sorry for the devs. Talk about no pressure...

Nobody expects anything from a game with Killzone in the title, though. They know better than that.

All Sony have released is a bunch of FMV, nobody cares about FMV. Just ask Square...

 

[dorio]

The facts are that if the rumors are correct that they are working on killzone 2 for the ps2 then I wouldn't expect to see killzone 3 for quite some time and by that time they should be able to reach their visual target.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

I think it kindof depends on how you expect it.

If you expect, pixel for pixel, polygon for polygon, what you saw in the trailer, you're not going to get it.

If you expect something that looks, for all intents and purposes, pretty close to that assuming you don't go over it with a magnifying glass, I doubt you'll be let down too hard.

 

[Shompola]

That + a bunch of other demos too. Not all of Killzone quality, certainly. Perhaps a good indicator of the mix we'll get next-gen (with, hopefully, a Killzone level of graphics figuring in somewhere, even if in a small minority of games).

Killzone is not being held out as a standard all PS3 games should match.

Casuals(friends, family etc.) around me love to talk about the demo. They indeed believe that the PS3 will deliver atleast graphics like that, and all thought it was realtime no questions asked. It doesnt matter to them that Guerilla are very incapable otherwise and that their previous games have been utterly shitty... People really forget very fast or just ignore... The sad thing is that Guerilla once again is in a situation where they have to deliver the best or people will be dissapointed. First the Halo comparison and now this.. Poor them.

 

[midnightguy]

If Killzone PS3 gameplay visuals are on par with the demo in everyway (lets say near-exact) I EAT A BROOM.

heh, I think the actual game will be at least a noticable downgrade in visuals from the prerendered 'demo' if not a MASSIVE downgrade, and combine that with (being optimistic) decent-to-good gameplay, and we will end up with a nice game but one that will disappoint people who have their expectations set on the prerendered CG video.

 

[CrimsonSkies]

Let me know when Guerrila makes a good game. They haven't yet to my knowledge.

 

[hukasmokincaterpillar]

This game probably wont even see the light of day until deep into the Year of the Dog, and maybe the Year of the Pig if there's setbacks, which is quite likely. I demand we dont have another Killzone post on GAF until Q2 Dog. At the very least.

 

[Amir0x]

GAF Argument "Meeting Tech Demo Expectations" 3.0 Summary


I. Entry Accusation - "What are your expectations for next-gen, anyway!?"

---A. "Gears of War is certainly what I expect from next-gen, for baseline."
-------1. Alternate answer: Ghost Recon 3
-------2. Alternate answer: Final Fantasy VII Tech demo
---B. "I expect a jump that at least justifies 300 dollars."
-------1. Point out how no jump will ever be as big as the PSX to PS2, or SNES to PSX.
-------2. Explain how expectations need to be reeled back.

II. Escalation Expectation - "I think Killzone is what I expect from next-gen."

---A. "That's bullshit. No game next-gen will ever reach that level."
-------1. Point out motion blur.
-------2. Point out perfect curves.
----------a. In case of Gears of War pic rebuttal, point out edges.
----------b. In case of Gears of War pic rebuttal, call person an idiot.
-------3. Point out advanced, multilayered AI routines.
---B. "It's just standard SCEE propaganda. They're liars!"
-------1. Use Getaway as example.
-------2. Use Killzone again as example.
---C. "Really, plenty of people have already established it's not real-time."
-------1. Use sources from various G4 interviews.
-------2. Use sources from IGN/Gamespot.
-------3. Use sources from uncle's nephew who worked on secret underground Scottish render farm for CG trailer
-------4. Use Tempy, who actually does work at Guerilla. Kiss duckroll.

III. Memories of the Past - "It's no surprise. PS2 tech demos were all bullshit as well."

---A. "What? How many times do we have to go through this argument!?"
-------1. Explain how shocked and awed you are if possible.
-------2. Use hyperbole to highlight how stupid you feel this is.
-------3. Use the :lol :lol emoticon countless times.
---B. "Unbelievable. Have you seen the PS2 tech demos? Been surpassed!"
-------1. Use Silent Hill 3 "old man" pic.
-------2. Compare GT2000 to GT4.
----------a. Point out PSX era bitmaps
----------b. Hideous aliasing
-------3. Compare FFBallroom to FFX.
---C. "Yeah, the Raven Xbox demo wasn't surpassed! But Microsoft gets no shit for that!"

 

[Chittagong]

Damn, I never thought of it from this angle. Glad this thread was created to share this theory!

BTW, what do you guys think of those Xbox 360 shots? They look good and all (good fx), but not "Xbox 2 special" but I'd say maybe "Xbox 1.5 special".

 

[hukasmokincaterpillar]

Under section II. C. you forgot: "Use source from mother's cousin's uncle's nephew who worked on top secret underground Scottish render farm for Killzone CG trailer". Everything else looks spot on though. Quality.

 

[Shompola]

Damn, I never thought of it from this angle. Glad this thread was created to share this theory!

BTW, what do you guys think of those Xbox 360 shots? They look good and all (good fx), but not "Xbox 2 special" but I'd say maybe "Xbox 1.5 special".

Definitely. There are only two-three games that scream nextgen including Gear Of Wars wich isnt a launch title.

 

[Pimpwerx]

If KZ raises the bar, then that's a good thing. KZ had the chaos and scope of CoD2 with the with the visuals of GoW. I'd hope it was possible. Not even J. Allard said otherwise. But we'll have to wait and see I guess. Heavenly Sword is a good start. But I expect things to only get better from there on out. PEACE.

 

[Ash Housewares]

if people shut up about it and didn't make 100,000 threads about it then it might have a chance at not attracting alot of hype or alot of hate, but that's not gonna happen is it!?

I expect it to be no better than the original

 

[TheJollyCorner]

I enjoyed Killzone, but it had a LOT of room for improvement.

BTW, isn't Killzone 3 suppose to be the PS3 one? I though Killzone 2 was being released on the PS2 this holiday season???

 

[Gek54]

If KZ raises the bar, then that's a good thing. KZ had the chaos and scope of CoD2 with the with the visuals of GoW. I'd hope it was possible. Not even J. Allard said otherwise. But we'll have to wait and see I guess. Heavenly Sword is a good start. But I expect things to only get better from there on out. PEACE.

Exactly what I was thinking, how is the KZ video that MUCH more amazing than the CoD2 footage?

 

[Ryudo]

If everything goes wrong, then at least it will be good to look at right ?

 

[DCharlie]

"Exactly what I was thinking, how is the KZ video that MUCH more amazing than the CoD2 footage?"

the way people move and the animation, the much more dynamic reaction to everything that's PERFECT in almost every way?

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

the way people move and the animation, the much more dynamic reaction to everything that's PERFECT in almost every way?

Not to mention theres about 30x as much geometry on screen.

 

[Ryudo]

the way people move and the animation, the much more dynamic reaction to everything that's PERFECT in almost every way?

One game is here and now running on hardware with gameplay elements, the other is a mock up CG movie of what they are aiming for.

 

[Phoenix]

Killzone for PS3 is going to be more picked apart than the Star Wars prequel trilogy. No good will come of this.

 

[Speevy]

If the Killzone video was a realistic representation of what we can expect, I'd hate to be Insomniac. Their game looked a full PC generation behind.

 

[Pimpwerx]

If the Killzone video was a realistic representation of what we can expect, I'd hate to be Insomniac. Their game looked a full PC generation behind.

B/c I'm sure the game will never improve from its current form, right? KZ was a mockup of what they want to get. I-8 was a very early form of an engine that should be a ton better when it's all said and done. PEACE.