IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
A few are classics, yes. I agree. However, you're calling this a GOAT list with Spore, HellGate and C&C3, plus without many of the best PC games of all time.
It's an average list.
Is This The GOAT Collection?
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A few are classics, yes. I agree. However, you're calling this a GOAT list with Spore, HellGate and C&C3, plus without many of the best PC games of all time.
It's an average list.
Instant_Classic
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The list fucking DEFINED an era (7th gen to current) of gaming.
Obviously, not all were successful or made an impact, but a good amount did.
How is that average?
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Hawk The Slayer
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Much better than whatever TC posted.I prefer my PC GOATs a little older.
TC can't accept that his list is shit, seen a lot of these types back in gamefaqs where they'll post a list and then get triggered if people don't agree with their list. The truth hurts but if they can't handle it then they shouldn't be posting their list in the first place especially if they've average. And this is coming from someone like me who does like FPS games and also not a big Nintendo fan either.
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Instant_Classic
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I guarantee you anyone born from at least 1990 and up, chooses my list.
RetroGamingUK
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I'll offer up my PS2 collection…
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
God of War
God of War II
Resident Evil 4
Devil May Cry
Devil May Cry 3
Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 3
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy XII
ICO
Shadow of the Collossus
Jak & Daxter
Gran Turismo 3
Ace Combat 4
GTA Vice City
GTA San Andreas
SSX Tricky
Outrun 2
Pro Evolution Soccer 3
Pro Evolution Soccer 5
Virtua Fighter 4
Tekken 5
Soul Calibur 2
Okami
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Instant_Classic
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Give me a list of 10 "great" games, so I can laugh.
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Instant_Classic
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This is a good list, no doubt.
My list defined modern gaming, your list doesn't.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Calm yourself, lol.
You are claiming this list is GOAT, which means Greatest Of All Time. Not an era, but all time.
Also, even if we're talking about this era, the list still isn't GOAT. Spore? HellGate? No.
We're also missing a lot of real classics from the 2000s. A lot.
Average.
Instant_Classic
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It defined the modern era (Gen 7 to current).
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RetroGamingUK
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Most of the franchises in my list are still going.
Most of yours are dead franchises with studios that went bust.
Your list merely defines PC gaming in the mid 00s and nothing else.
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JimmyRustler
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Gamer_By_Proxy
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I recently bought Amazon Guardians of Eden and the Police Quest games. Going even older.
Instant_Classic
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
So we've gone from GOAT to Gen 7 only. Talk about moving the goalposts.
Even then we're missing some classics from that era and have some duds.
diffusionx
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next time the mods think about bringing in new people, can they just, not?
Instant_Classic
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Even your precious N64 had duds.
The quality of these games surpasses a majority, that came before it.
Gaming went from a "nerdy" thing to something that became mainstream to talk about.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Ah yes, Hellgate London and Sin Episodes, such classics!
Instant_Classic
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A majority of "gamers" here have no clue what these games even were till I posted the pic in the OP.
RetroGamingUK
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PS1 did that
Your collection is nearly a snapshot of the mid-late 00s in PC where FPS games were most prominant
It's no more important than any other era in gaming.
Instant_Classic
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Your gaming ignorance is showing, just stop.
This era ushered in gaming, as in the biggest industry of all.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Who mentioned the N64?
No. 100% disagree with that. A majority of PC games that came before this list are better by a country mile.
PS1 took gaming to the mainstream.
Instant_Classic
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There amount of inaccuracies in your post is too numerous, I'll take a shot at the PS1 mention.
The PS1 did not make gaming mainstream.
Gaming truly went mainstream in the 7th gen.
RetroGamingUK
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Instant_Classic
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The modern era started with the Wii (brought casuals in) and 360 with Gears/CoD 4 which brought the dudebros in.
The elements from this time, are still the defining factors of current gaming.
Why is this so difficult to grasp...?
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RetroGamingUK
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Instant_Classic
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Interesting reads, yes.Level up: how PlayStation infiltrated youth culture
Twenty years ago, an exciting new games console began appearing in nightclub chillout rooms, subversive TV ads and cutting-edge style magazines. Keith Stuart and Steve Boxer on how Sony raided the underground to create the PlayStation generation
How PlayStation and club culture forever changed gaming's image
A story about how 1990s PlayStation marketing with the UK club scene would forever shift the public perception of video games.
PlayStation at 30: the console that made video games cool
Launched in Japan in December 1994, the record-breaking PlayStation started out as a CD add-on for the Super Nintendo – but ended up ushering video games into a new era all on its own
Ahead of the game: Sony's PlayStation convinced us that video games
Friday sees the launch of the PlayStation4. In the almost 20 years since its first incarnation, gaming has changed beyond recognition and it's thanks, in part, to the fact that the console was aimed at adults
PS5 can’t recreate the buzz of the original PlayStation revolution | VGC
A new documentary revisits the exhilarating launch of PSOne 25 years ago…
PS1 certainly did help, but it wasn't till 7th gen when it became something people of all ages and backgrounds did.
One of the links you posted said...
"According to Glendenning, Sony's marketing efforts, 'Took the age of the average gamer from about 14 to about 23. It made games cool, it made them part of popular youth culture – people were no longer embarrassed to admit they played them.'"
Gen 7 is where legitimately everyone one from Grandparents (Wii Sports) to the Dudebros (CoD 4) were playing games.
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RetroGamingUK
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Any data or references to back that up?
Instant_Classic
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RetroGamingUK
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Instant_Classic
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Yes, but the importance should not be forgotten.
It brought gaming into many homes (the majority) which never cared about gaming, which opened doors for the industry as a whole.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
And real life social interactions and encounters.
LOL.
We've gone from claiming your posted list is the "GOAT", to then moving to it being the best Gen 7 list (It isn't), to now bringing up Wii Sports to back up your argument!
The goalposts have been moved so much I'm not even sure you know what you're arguing for anymore.
Instant_Classic
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The point is, my list in the big picture is among the best for ushering in gaming in the modern era.
Yes, are other list potentially better games wise?
Perhaps, but they weren't the key players in making gaming what it is today.
And yes, we're going off tangent for sure.
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RetroGamingUK
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And how does it usher in the modern era more than any other generation did?
Instant_Classic
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Because the games had the production values and visuals the mainstream audience, deemed acceptable.
That's why the whole PlayStation cinematic games era blew up.
The average adult person would be embarrassed to play a 16-bit game, in front of other people back then.
Playing CoD 4 and others were considered, cool.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
By your own argument even your list fails to do that. I don't even know why we're talking about Wii Sports when your list is PC. Are we just talking Gen 7 in general? If so your list is missing a hell of a lot of amazing Gen 7 games.
How did Mass Effect or Assassin's Creed usher gaming into the modern Era? How does this make your list "GOAT", which as a reminder means the greatest of all time.
You have Counter Strike Source on your list, but no Half-Life 2? Not even the Orange Box that had Portal.
RetroGamingUK
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Many games from the 7th gen have aged poorly visually.
Too many games that attempted to look realistic have aged a lot worse than the previous gen.
And don't get me started on nearly every game having piss filter.
Instant_Classic
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Even if they did have poorly, the general public considered them good enough at the time.
It was the time of HD graphics, and semi-real visuals taking off.
Instant_Classic
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Mass Effect and AC for example advanced gaming from a production standpoint (the former) and an open world one (the latter) as well.
Obviously, there are more games than just those.
Also, I had Orange Box on Steam (digital).
RetroGamingUK
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Ah the HD buzzword
Merely a stepping stone
5th gen - 240p
6th gen - 480p
7th gen - 720p
8th gen - 1080p
9th gen - 1800p
RetroGamingUK
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And the previous gen didn't advance the production?
It was a far bigger leap than 7th gen was
I'm guessing your about 30 and 7th gen was when you came of age.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
And Spore? HellGate?
Are we also agreeing that this isn't the GOAT list, but a list of PC games from the 00s? Some bangers. Others duds.
Instant_Classic
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7th gen also coorolated with the shift from massive low res CRT's, to thin and sleek HD displays.
This was a huge deal back then.
Instant_Classic
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MGS 2/3 obviously had good production values.
Gen 7 incorporated that cinematic experience IN to the game, rather than being something you watched.
Instant_Classic
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We are agreeing that this list was the precursor to the gaming you know and love, today.
RetroGamingUK
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Instant_Classic
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You do know experiences like these were not common place, right?
You're naming a few games out of thousands that were not like this.
RetroGamingUK
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And you fail to provide a single credible reason why it is more so than any other generation.
Instant_Classic
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Gaming did not become something you speak about in public, until the mid-late 00's.
I can't believe you don't understand, this.
It's comical
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