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Jade Empire dated, Limited Edition revealed

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Microsoft also confirmed that it will release a Limited Edition of Jade Empire that will feature a bonus character, a bonus fighting style and a behind-the-scenes "making of " video feature on DVD produced by G4 – video game television. The bonus character, Monk Zeng, has the ability to channel his Chi, or spiritual energy, to fuel powerful magic attacks that manipulate both elemental and spiritual forces.

Monk Zeng can equip himself with a special weapon called the monk spade, a deadly weapon useful for slashing foes at a distance and finishing them with lethal follow-up attacks. The Jade Empire Limited Edition is available for pre-order now for the same suggested retail price as the standard version, $49.95 (U.S.).
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This is pretty lame.
 
I am assuming that the Limited Edition is coming out at the same time as the regular edition? If so, it is nice that it is going to be the same price as normal edition.
 
Screaming_Gremlin said:
I am assuming that the Limited Edition is coming out at the same time as the regular edition? If so, it is nice that it is going to be the same price as normal edition.
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I see it more as being cheated out of a character and fighting style if you don't preorder.
 
I agree with Redbeard. I know it's a nice incentive to preorder, and it gives you a nice bonus, but usually I prefer it when it doesn't affect the game itself, which in a likeliness, this will. Boourns.
 
I'd agree with that. I'll be pre-ordering (as I'm sure the game will rock since it is from Bioware) so it won't affect me, but it does suck for people who won't get the game until later.
 
Bah i was hoping the special character was gonna be an MDK throw back or something like that....
 
What's so lame? They're pricing it for $49.99, are they not? FREE SHIT SUCKS!

edit: oh ok, because you might not get a LE...then just preorder it, done deal
 
Nerevar said:
I would like to offer up a big "fuck you" to Bioware for doing this.
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In all fairness this is most likely Microsoft's doing since they are the publisher. This isn't the first time MS has done this, Mech Assault 2 had extra levels in the Limited Edition set.
 
Wario64 said:
What's so lame? They're pricing it for $49.99, are they not? FREE SHIT SUCKS!

edit: oh ok, because you might not get a LE...then just preorder it, done deal
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Doesn't matter. Why are they stripping out game content from the regular edition to try and get you to buy the limited edition? And don't be mistaken, that is exactly what they are doing. If it's in the LE, and the LE comes out at the same time as the regular version, then they have taken content out of the regular version, not "added" content to the LE one. I think it's incredible that they do this and idiots out there are happy about it.
 
m0dus said:
aw, Poor baby? Can't go to EB or GS and plunk down the $5 you're going to spend on the game anyway? :lol Anyone offering a big "fuck you" to bioware, have a complementary "shut the hell up" on behalf of me. The fact they're making it universally available the week it launches, the fact that it doesn't cost extra, and the fact the bonus is a REWARD for picking it up sooner rather than trying to wait it out to get it at a lower price later, I'd say you pissed in your own cereal if you somehow manage find that something to bitch about. Seriously, take up stamp collecting if you're going to have the gall to complain about getting free shit. Epic did this with unreal Tournament back in the day (free disk with extra maps/characters for preordering the game at gamestop--well before the advent of universal broadband and demolition pack downloading)
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See above post. You're ignoring the fact that they're removing content from the game. But hey, as long as you're happy that you get the content and everyone else get's screwed, then that's good for you!
 
m0dus said:
"removing content" is little more than pure speculation on your part. Considering the nature of the engine, and the way games like KOTOR had downloadable/addable content, it seems FAR more likely this is merely akin to an add-on, as physically REMOVING aspects of finished code (or even, so, 'co producing' LE and standard versions) is far more costly/complicated than having an extra character calls for. This is little more involved than adding a costume in DOA or a mission in KOTOR. Quit yer bitchin'
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Ok - let's go over this here. Both games are being released at the same time. Both will cost the same. 1 will have a couple "extra" characters. Remind me again why these characters can't be on the other version?

Somehow, I have the feeling if it was ID doing this or EA doing this, this forum would be in an uproar. But since it's Bioware, it's ok.
 
I'm almost sure that the initial shipments will all be LE. Then after the sales start to slow down, they will bring in the normal game. I don't understand why they can't just release one version of the game with everything in it, but I am not complaining about the free stuff.
 
Ironclad_Ninja said:
I'm almost sure that the initial shipments will all be LE. Then after the sales start to slow down, they will bring in the normal game. I don't understand why they can't just release one version of the game with everything in it, but I am not complaining about the free stuff.
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But the extra character, fighting style, and weapon aren't "free stuff". It's completed content you should be getting as part of the game that's being held back to spur preorders.
 
Redbeard said:
But the extra character, fighting style, and weapon aren't "free stuff". It's completed content you should be getting as part of the game that's being held back to spur preorders.
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As much as I agree with you that there should only be one version of the game, when you look at it, this is just smart business practice. By offering this limited edition, anybody who really wants the game will preorder it and get it as soon as possible. It will also convince those who are undecided on this game to pick it up sooner instead of waiting for the inevitable price drop.
 
Redbeard said:
But the extra character, fighting style, and weapon aren't "free stuff". It's completed content you should be getting as part of the game that's being held back to spur preorders.
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This character and stuff will be downloadable content or on an OXM demo disc at some point.Those who are squawking about TEH REMOVED CONTENT, relax. Someone paypal this kid's pre-order.
 
What exactly is the problem here? If you know you're going to get Jade Empire when it's released, go reserve the LE for $5 and be done with it. If you want to wait until it comes down in price, take your chances that the LE won't be around when it comes time for you to buy it, and settle for the regular edition. My guess is you won't miss the extra character and fighting style unless you play the LE first.

This is excellent business sense on BioWare's part. It allows them to get a gauge on how many copies they'll need to stamp before they ship the game out. Pre-orders are a good judge of overall sales these days, and can save a developer some cash by understanding the number of copies they'll need to ship.
 
m0dus said:
aw, Poor baby? Can't go to EB or GS and plunk down the $5 you're going to spend on the game anyway? :lol Anyone offering a big "fuck you" to bioware, have a complementary "shut the hell up" on behalf of me. The fact they're making it universally available the week it launches, the fact that it doesn't cost extra, and the fact the bonus is a REWARD for picking it up sooner rather than trying to wait it out to get it at a lower price later, I'd say you pissed in your own cereal if you somehow manage find that something to bitch about. Seriously, take up stamp collecting if you're going to have the gall to complain about getting free shit. Epic did this with unreal Tournament back in the day (free disk with extra maps/characters for preordering the game at gamestop--well before the advent of universal broadband and demolition pack downloading). as far as "stripping out game content," that's an interesting bit of speculation, but you liken it to only getting 3/4 of the DVD or something--seriously, it's ONE fucking character. get over it.
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I'm already over it. That doesn't change the fact that I think it's lame.
 
6.8 said:
I'm already over it. That doesn't change the fact that I think it's lame.
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agreed. I also agree that it's a great business move, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
 
i remember when people found out a dev had certain content on a game disk already made and the xbox live 'content download' or whatever was just a little key file to unlock the content that was already on the disk..

i remember the uproar over that, people sayng it was a scam to get people to use live when they bought the game...

also... i remember 'connectivity'...
 
This minor exclusivity (an optional character and weapon) looks like a good way to push forward those who are very interested in the game but still might hold out for months and a price drop. The fence they are sitting on just got a little wobbly.

For those of us who have only average or minor interest in the game (and wouldn't be considering buying at launch anyway), this isn't any more compelling. We'll play the game eventually.
 
m0dus said:
aw, Poor baby? Can't go to EB or GS and plunk down the $5 you're going to spend on the game anyway? :lol Anyone offering a big "fuck you" to bioware, have a complementary "shut the hell up" on behalf of me. The fact they're making it universally available the week it launches, the fact that it doesn't cost extra, and the fact the bonus is a REWARD for picking it up sooner rather than trying to wait it out to get it at a lower price later, I'd say you pissed in your own cereal if you somehow manage find that something to bitch about. Seriously, take up stamp collecting if you're going to have the gall to complain about getting free shit. Epic did this with unreal Tournament back in the day (free disk with extra maps/characters for preordering the game at gamestop--well before the advent of universal broadband and demolition pack downloading). as far as "stripping out game content," that's an interesting bit of speculation, but you liken it to only getting 3/4 of the DVD or something--seriously, it's ONE fucking character. get over it.
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Calm down.

I actually have principles and I thought I made my stance on the matter very clear. Preorder bonuses are never guaranteed. If I can't get the version I'm after I'm not going to buy the game at all.
 
Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Do shit like Working Designs and put in useless crap that nobody will ever use, or put it in a fancy tin and have some artwork, but don't change game content. That's just lame. Oh well, not like I was going to buy it anyway.
 
Nerevar said:
Doesn't matter. Why are they stripping out game content from the regular edition to try and get you to buy the limited edition? And don't be mistaken, that is exactly what they are doing. If it's in the LE, and the LE comes out at the same time as the regular version, then they have taken content out of the regular version, not "added" content to the LE one. I think it's incredible that they do this and idiots out there are happy about it.
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Who are you to say that this content was in the regular edition in the first place?
 
Cubsfan23 said:
Who are you to say that this content was in the regular edition in the first place?
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Nerevar said:
Ok - let's go over this here. Both games are being released at the same time. Both will cost the same. 1 will have a couple "extra" characters. Remind me again why these characters can't be on the other version?

Somehow, I have the feeling if it was ID doing this or EA doing this, this forum would be in an uproar. But since it's Bioware, it's ok.
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These two games are being released at the same time. To say that the content can't or shouldn't be in the regular version is retarded, IMO.
 
Excellent job Redbeard! I thought that MS simply commissioned them to do a new character and sword, not that they would actually sanction off a character. It makes logistical sense in terms of scheduling however.

Here's the full post for those who are too lazy:
BioWare Forums said:
Chris Priestly
Quality Assurance

People were asking what happened to Monk Zeng and now we can say. He was kept back as the Pre-order character and his cool Monk Spade weapon will be going with him.

Now you know.

Does this mean the non-preorder version of the game is incomplete? Not in any way. The pre-order does is offer an additional appearance and weapon as well as the making of video, but the story and gameplay are identical between games. Jade Empire is still a full and complete game no matter which version you get.
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I bolded the important part in case people thought if anything in the game was crippled aside the removal of a weapon and character.
 
The level of bitching on the internet never ceases to amaze me. It's not like MS is charging anyone more money for the added content. It's simply an incentive for those to pick it up sooner rather than later (later meaning: all you cheap asses that want to wait till it hits sub-$20 level). It's January and the game's not slated to come out till mid April so I think even the cheapest of cheapass gamers can find away to save up $50 measly dollars in 2 and a half months time.
 
RedBeard said:
The level of bitching on the internet never ceases to amaze me. It's not like MS is charging anyone more money for the added content. It's simply an incentive for those to pick it up sooner rather than later (later meaning: all you cheap asses that want to wait till it hits sub-$20 level). It's January and the game's not slated to come out till mid April so I think even the cheapest of cheapass gamers can find away to save up $50 measly dollars in 2 and a half months time.
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It never ceases to amaze me how people are actually blind enough to view this as a bonus rather than a character being removed from the game. Let's quote this again for effect:
People were asking what happened to Monk Zeng and now we can say. He was kept back as the Pre-order character and his cool Monk Spade weapon will be going with him.
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So in other words, we "held back" on a character so you only get him if you pre-order! But hey, the consumer still wins, right?

SuikoGuy said:
This is a tactic to get people to buy it at release, rather then waiting for a price drop.
And, to be honest, I can't blame them.
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I agree, but it still doesn't make it any less sleazy. "Good business moves" almost always end up hurting the consumer.
 
This is a tactic to get people to buy it at release, rather then waiting for a price drop.
And, to be honest, I can't blame them.
 
I'm glad everyone can at least seem to agree that its a "good business move" to try and railroad your customers into buying your product exactly when and how you want them to. You don't normally see so many GAFfers find a common ground in a discussion like this. :lol
 
Kind of like when MK1 was removed from Arcade Treasures and stuck in with Deception, and Midway's answer was that they wanted to give MK fans an extra-special bonus. Um.
 
bitwise said:
of course it is. some people here are just dense. (Hero)
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Dense? How am I dense?

An entire character with a unique skillset was HELD BACK from the 'regular' edition in order to try and boost pre-order sales. To people who were getting the game anyway, it doesn't matter to them, to people on the fence, it'll force them to make a decision, but people who aren't hardcore gamers and decide to get the game later or are late adopters to the Xbox will go 'Wtf' when someone tells them that there was an additional character.

As a business decision it's good for Bioware/MS since this game can use all the help to sell. It'll be interesting to see how a Bioware game will sell on Xbox without the Star Wars franchise to play off of.

Next time you're on the fence about a game, think how 'great' and 'awesome' it is if you had a car removed from a racing game, a fighter removed from a fighting game, or a level in a platformer missing because you didn't buy the game on day and tell me then how that's a good thing.
 
Nerevar said:
It never ceases to amaze me how people are actually blind enough to view this as a bonus rather than a character being removed from the game.
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First off, I'm not redbeard. Secondly, regardless if this was "added content" or "excluded content", the fact still remains that it's the same price so what's the problem? It's obvious that initial sales matter most in the industry and almost always taper off quickly post-release. It's a new original title that has no cross-license to build off of so you can't honestly blame any company for doing something like this to help ignite initial interest in their game. You people are taking this way too personally when ultimately you either A) were planning on buying, day-one, anyways or B) had little to no interest and would've waited for a pricedrop before even considering to give the game a chance. In either case, it doesn't "hurt" anyone here so again, what's the problem?
 
I wouldn't worry about getting the limited edition. They did the same thing with Mechassault 2, and my EB only had the limited edtion in stock...never even saw a regular edition for sale. :P
 
I was going to mention it, but Lyte Edge beat me to it. Perhaps the limited edition will be the only version on the shelves.

Perhaps this will be like a DVD release. Sometimes you see new DVD movies come out titled as the special collectors edition and it is the only version available.
 
I think this is lame. It's lame whenever game company's hold back content. But I was going to pre-order JE anyway. So it's not a big deal for me.
 
This is a pretty hokey way to force people to pre-order. I agree that they should be throwing in extras (soundtrack, Making-Of DVD, t-shirt, whatever) and not removing content from the finished game.
Mr_Furious said:
In either case, it doesn't "hurt" anyone here so again, what's the problem?
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Well obviously in your example it hurts the person that waits for a price drop to purchase the game. They won't be receiving as much content as the person that bought earlier.
 
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