January Wrasslin |OT| Thread of No More Kaval and CM Sucks

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bill0527 said:
For the love of god, please no more 1 on 7 overcoming the odds.

Cena needs some steady back-up. How about a Wade Barrett face turn as the jilted leader of Nexus. He doesn't have to like Cena but they can at least work together right. Oh wait.. this sounds too much like Randy Orton. Shit.. WTF is in the cards for Wade Barrett now?

I know people often don't like my suggestions but have him go to Smackdown bring in Mason Ryan as his 'associate' have him recruit Drew McIntyre and William Regal and call themselves the Union or something then you have respectable stable which makes more slightly more sense.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
They've had matches and feuds. They don't draw.

I like Christian, but he doesn't have an exciting moveset or good promo range to pull off a main event feud.

WTF?
 
DKehoe said:
Christians tendancy to have jokey promo style can make him seem goofy as a heel or that he doesn't take things seriously as a face. Neither works well at the main event level. Ortons character on the other hand is intense and is positioned as being dangerous. I don't think Orton is amazing or anything like that but I do think he belongs as a main event guy.



I don't think Edge works that well as a face and they shouldn't have the title on him for Mania. I think Del Rio vs Rey at Wrestlemania could work really well if built right. Something like a hair vs mask match would add to it except I think Del Rio should win (giving him that final push into being one of the absolute top guys) and unmasking Rey is a bad idea. Just looking at the smackdown roster, wow its pretty barren.

It seems like they're looking to climax Del Rio/Rey sooner rather than later. Personally, a 2 out of 3 falls match seems like a better idea as a PPV match than a random Smackdown, but whatever.

If I had to guess, I think they're building toward a Del Rio / Edge fued. I don't know if it will last until Mania, but I could see them maybe even fighting at the Rumble after Edge has his final blow off with Kane this week.
 
Striker said:
Sounds like Randy Orton. Boring, monotone character and a moveset consisting of headlocks, punches, an inverted headlock backbreaker, and with his stunning innovation, the Olympic Slam.

Christian's a fantastic worker. He can work a promo and feud much better than many guys in the main event scene. He can make matches deem credible out of Zack Ryder, Tommy Dreamer, and Ezekial Jackson. How many other guys can do that? If they went along with an Edge vs. Christian main event feud, it will draw, because people know their history.

DKehoe, who do you put in the main event scene for Smackdown at 'Mania? You can push this "Christian isn't a draw!" standard all day, but if Edge is champion, who would you want as his opponent? If you're going by draw, put in Rey, but that would be a colossal waste. I would prefer Christian, Ziggler, or Del Rio; however I welcome Del Rio finishing off his feud with Rey in a victory at WM (I know, lol).
The difference between Randy and Christian is Randy is a proven draw. He gets a reaction everywhere.

We've seen Christian at the top. He isn't that great
 
Christian has to be the most overrated guy in the entire business. I'm a fan of his, but his marks treat him like the second coming of Jesus. It's annoying to see them continue bitching about stuff that happened five years ago. Maybe he would have been world champion by now if he didn't jumped ship to TNA. He was never gonna win the title in 2005 anyways

Christian's time has already pass. There's not much stock in pushing him anymore.
 
Lard said:
When was the last time Christian did a promo that wasn't the same thing he's always done?

Austin, Rock, Cena, and even the Miz can channel different emotions and styles. Have you ever seen Christian try to be angry? It's hilarious.


Linkified said:
I know people often don't like my suggestions but have him go to Smackdown bring in Mason Ryan as his 'associate' have him recruit Drew McIntyre and William Regal and call themselves the Union or something then you have respectable stable which makes more slightly more sense.
Your fantasy booking is more torturous than listening to water drip.
 
From this point forward Christian bashing has turned to Randy Orton bashing. Randy Orton is not a draw, the only draws are Cena and sometimes Undertaker at WM(excluding the Mark Henry match and the second HBK) Randy Orton has never had a passable match in his life. He is pathetic in the ring, he can't even execute clothesline and the recent powerbombs properly. Jumpin Jeff has better clotheslines than RKO. Check it out in his highlight video. The really sad thing about Orton is that there is no difference between his Raw matches and PPV matches. He never attempts to step it up or pick up his pace, he can't but she should try. Randy Orton attempts to wrestle like a 60 year old 350 pound 70's porn style wrestler before the first wrestlemania. Dolph Ziggler is the best performer in the E today, RR winner. God bless.
 
Did all the Christian doubters completely ignore his stint in WWECW? He got absolutely gigantic reactions while simultaneously having to work off of no-talent jobbers. I mean he would get the biggest reaction of the night (counting the Smackdown tapings) while cutting promos on Big Zeke.

He got over for being "vicious" during the con-chair-to era with Edge. He may not be throwing people through walls like Lesner but if they turned him heel and handed him a chair, I'm sure he could regain that reputation. The E gets flak for being PG but they've shown in recent weeks they aren't afraid of chairs any more.

I'd be happy for them to reignite the Del'Rio fued when he gets back. I don't know if I'd put the title on him or give him a rumble win, but he's definitely someone they need to use when he gets healthy.
 
Linkified said:
I know people often don't like my suggestions but have him go to Smackdown bring in Mason Ryan as his 'associate' have him recruit Drew McIntyre and William Regal and call themselves the Union or something then you have respectable stable which makes more slightly more sense.

good news, they've already got a theme song ready
 
Watched SHIMMER volume 33 - pretty good show again. Daizee Haze vs Ayumi Kurihari worked a whole lot better the second time round, while Nicole Mathews vs Jessie McKay almost stole the show with a hard-fought match, but unsurprisingly the best match of the show was Ayako Hamada vs Tomoka Nakagawa, which is the first time that match has taken place anywhere. The veteran Hamada started off cocky, attempting to embarrass Nakagawa who has only been wrestling a year or so, but things picked up shortly after and didn't let up pace once. Great match, really hard-hitting and a good finish. Madison Eagles defending the SHIMMER championship against Cheerleader Melissa was the main event, but it couldn't quite live up to the previous match, probably went a bit too long and finished awkwardly, though both women worked really well. I'm not entirely sold on Eagles as champ, but she's a good heel and gets a ton of heat - should be awesome for whoever she eventually puts over.

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Wrekt said:
Did all the Christian doubters completely ignore his stint in WWECW? He got absolutely gigantic reactions while simultaneously having to work off of no-talent jobbers. I mean he would get the biggest reaction of the night (counting the Smackdown tapings) while cutting promos on Big Zeke.

He got over for being "vicious" during the con-chair-to era with Edge. He may not be throwing people through walls like Lesner but if they turned him heel and handed him a chair, I'm sure he could regain that reputation. The E gets flak for being PG but they've shown in recent weeks they aren't afraid of chairs any more.

I'd be happy for them to reignite the Del'Rio fued when he gets back. I don't know if I'd put the title on him or give him a rumble win, but he's definitely someone they need to use when he gets healthy.
He was the only star on ECW. Whenever WWE changed their top ECW babyface that happened. By this logic Matt Hardy should main event WM
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
When was the last time Christian did a promo that wasn't the same thing he's always done?

Austin, Rock, Cena, and even the Miz can channel different emotions and styles. Have you ever seen Christian try to be angry? It's hilarious.


Your fantasy booking is more torturous than listening to water drip.
I know my new years resolution is. to ignore you in particular but care to point out why a WWE British heel group similiar to Evolution would be bad?
 
Cruceh said:
Totally random but I was watching American Gladiators the other day and Matt Morgan was a gladiator there!
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Seems like TNA grabbed a few of them, Oblivion from the UK version is Magnus

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Are people seriously asking whats gonna happen with Barret its pretty obvious the new nexus will beat up cena for a while and then at wrestlemania Barret and Cena will tag against the nexus
 
Morrison's too good for her now that he has a WWE title shot.

And damn I'm behind on Smackdown, I had no idea Kaval was released. Any idea why? They totally dropped the ball on him, he should be SD's version of Daniel Bryan.
 
Forkball said:
Morrison's too good for her now that he has a WWE title shot.

And damn I'm behind on Smackdown, I had no idea Kaval was released. Any idea why? They totally dropped the ball on him, he should be SD's version of Daniel Bryan.

He wanted out cause they dropped the ball, and they let him out. Everything went smooth though, so I guess they could invite him back in the future if they have a workable storyline, and if the poor guy does not get saddled with a TNA contract, which would be a fate worse than ultimate death.
 
I'm behind also, when did CM Punk become leader of Nexus? Wanna know so I can watch from there.
 
Plywood said:
I'm behind also, when did CM Punk become leader of Nexus? Wanna know so I can watch from there.

Last Monday, but the idea has been building for about a month.

CM Punk was doing commentary on RAW for a few weeks (cause he was injured for a while), and always had bad things to say about Cena. Two weeks ago he stepped things up, jumped up from commentary, and hit Cena with a chair. The week after (last week), at the start of RAW he said Cena was a liar, for going against his word in the Cena vs Nexus storyline, and lieing to fans ect. He also said Cena was in for a suprise at the end of the night.

At the end of that RAW, Nexus came out and, and Otunga said the group were under new management (hinting at himself), this lead to them beating up Cena, and as they walked up the ramp, Punk came out, got a chair, and went to hit Cena (who was lying prone on the ground), but at the last second he pulled back, which was something Cena refused to do with Nexus (he beat the all down with a chair at the TLC PPV). He then opened the chair, sat down beside Cena, and put on a Nexus armband

...like so

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Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
A British heel group isn't bad. Yours is.
Wade needs to lead a group, Regal deserves to be in more of a spotlight plus they have welsh Batista and drew they have to push have them the tag team champions have wade the world champion it would be great.

Plus it's the only way this would work in wwe unless they do a British empire group and use Canadian + other talent.
 
Also anyone care to explain what's up with Miz-girl? Is she part of the story line now?

edit: Last question, where is Wade and what happened to him?
 
Plywood said:
Also anyone care to explain what's up with Miz-girl? Is she part of the story line now?

edit: Last question, where is Wade and what happened to him?

Miz-girl is a plant and Wade was placed under a low table and 15+ chairs fell on him, hes already proven he can sell better than Cena has.
 
Linkified said:
Miz-girl is a plant and Wade was placed under a low table and 15+ chairs fell on him, hes already proven he can sell better than Cena has.
Has it ever been proved shes a plant? I don't think they would have made such a big deal of it if it was something they had planned and expected.
 
Decided to go through my Rumble boxset to prepare for this year's.

First time, I've ever seen the first Rumble in its entirety and its odd to think that it originally started as a television special, which you can tell by the odd commercial breaks, but they never say going to commercial

They could never get away with booking a PPV like this again.

I mean there is like 4 matches, aside from the Rumble. Like 10-15 minutes wasted on Dino Bravo trying to break the bench pressing record, a contract signing on a show, like 4 long interviews, and a 2 out of 3 falls match that ends after 2 falls.

The Rumble itself was a novel idea, I mean its the first so had some kinks to work out (like only had 20 people originally) and really it meant nothing at this point since the title shot wasn't granted until 1993.

I don't remember this era of wrestling so don't really know any of the personal dramas that make the Rumble so exciting, and it is odd that the show features no Macho Man seeing how he would become champion in like 2 months.
 
avatar299 said:
The difference between Randy and Christian is Randy is a proven draw. He gets a reaction everywhere.

We've seen Christian at the top. He isn't that great
Isn't that great to you, however I prefer to be awake during Christian's matches, where Orton's usually puts half of Wrassle-GAF asleep.
 
Striker said:
Isn't that great to you
No, he sucked in TNA and ECW and no one watched either when he was on top. How can you suggest a guy can draw for a Wrestlemania main event when he can't even get interest in ECW? You're just holding on to the memory of his old heel gimmicks and comedy routines rather than accepting how ordinary he really is.
 
DKehoe said:
Has it ever been proved shes a plant? I don't think they would have made such a big deal of it if it was something they had planned and expected.

I think the very fact she walked from backstage area to receive an award makes her a plant.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
No, he sucked in TNA and ECW and no one watched either when he was on top. How can you suggest a guy can draw for a Wrestlemania main event when he can't even get interest in ECW? You're just holding on to the memory of his old heel gimmicks and comedy routines rather than accepting how ordinary he really is.
When he was on top, ECW was watchable. It's when Dreamer held the title that show was lackluster (and still got ratings, gasp). It was a shitty show, did you expect it to garner much of a rating?

Who do you put in Smackdown's main event at 'Mania? Assuming Edge is still champion, because we know how WWE really limits his championship duration.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
No, he sucked in TNA and ECW and no one watched either when he was on top. How can you suggest a guy can draw for a Wrestlemania main event when he can't even get interest in ECW? You're just holding on to the memory of his old heel gimmicks and comedy routines rather than accepting how ordinary he really is.

Well you could make Christian the face and Edge the heel, as noone wants an Edge as a face.
 
Edge vs Jericho 2, but Edge is the heel this time.

This Wrestlemania is going to suck and lack star-power no matter what happens, but Christian is not a draw. It's been tried for years. He's a JTTS for life.
 
Linkified said:
I think the very fact she walked from backstage area to receive an award makes her a plant.
But that wasn't her first appearence. Totally possibly that after the miz girl thing became popular they tracked her down and then invited her to the slammys at which she was allowed to go backstage, meet with the wrestlers and come out to collect the award.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Edge vs Jericho 2, but Edge is the heel this time.

This Wrestlemania is going to suck and lack star-power no matter what happens, but Christian is not a draw. It's been tried for years. He's a JTTS for life.

The WWE should have seen the situation coming, and really should have planned better once they lost HBK and Batista within 3 months of each other. they had more than adequate time to get some new blood into the scene.

At this point, the WWE's main stable of main eventers have almost all been shuffled into Mania feuds, aside from perhaps a Mania feud for HHH/Edge and Taker/Cena, I think every other combination has been exhausted. HHH/Cena, HHH/Orton, Edge/Taker, Edge/Cena, Edge/Orton, etc

I would make a Triple Threat on Raw's side, though I hate them, with Cena, Orton and Miz.

And on Smackdown side, turn Edge heel and have him go up against someone like Kofi or they could do Rey/Edge, which I'm sure many here won't like.
 
Rey/Edge would be boring - do something to elevate a younger guy like Del Rio or Ziggler if you want to go that route.
 
worldrunover said:
I thought that was his straight-edge salute... at least I think he did it with the SES.
that was the Nation of domination salute

Nexus is getting rebranded as the Nation on monday
 
DKehoe said:
Has it ever been proved shes a plant? I don't think they would have made such a big deal of it if it was something they had planned and expected.

I don't believe she is a plant. Her father saw her on television after the first time and called WWE and talked to someone saying that if they need her again just call. So WWE called them up to do the Slammy thing which was rehearsed.
 
Striker said:
Rey/Edge would be boring - do something to elevate a younger guy like Del Rio or Ziggler if you want to go that route.

I don't think it would be boring personally, they've never really had a big name feud between them, the only time they had one Rey was injured so wasn't the greatest feud in the world.

And this is only based on the WWE's top contenders/draws.

Generally, would use Rumble to elevate talent to the next level, but I don't feel they put anyone in that position to just kind of push through the final barrier in time for WrestleMania.

I mean given time, Kofi's there, Morrison is almost there, Swagger and Ziggler, but don't think in time for this year's Mania.
 
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