Soulbrighter said:
the same thing these Viewtiful Joe #"s tell Capcom:john tv said:
well, for EA (Madden, NFSU) PS2 fans (mainstreamers) > Nintendo fans (average of 2 hours more per day playing games according to study), heck even for stuff like RE, Street Fighter, etc...Amir0x said:
Gregory said:
Well, the last 2 sold around 150-200k total on PS2 iirc, and reports are guessing at this one doing stronger 1st week than usual. I doubt the DS games put up huge numbers but I bet both are around 30-50k 1st week anyway, which is hardly bad for handheld puzzle games. They'll both outsell Lumines and Namco Museum PSP anyway.Tabris said:
Alcibiades said:
are those niche games available on GCN?Amir0x said:
I dunno, there's some (Disgaea, Katamrai, Contra SS, etc) but proportionately I think the boutique/niche games generally have a much better chance on GameCube thanks to less competition and and a more focused "quirky" friendly userbase. There's never been a comparable "rags to riches" story like Super Monkey Ball on PS2 or Xbox.Amir0x said:
Alcibiades said:
pre-owned?krypt0nian said:
jarrod said:
Alciabades said:
there's also an 80 million-sized userbase to make sure all those games can find an audienceAmir0x said:
so wouldn't 3rd parties want to make their games for the system that gets played the most, but I don't think that's what the study says...
Alcibiades said:
Alcibiades said:
The problem with that quote is there's no accounting for if the surveyed people had only one console or had them in combinations, and in the case of combinations which console is their primary focus.efralope said:
depends what games they are selling, GTA/Madden or Lumines/Meteos[/quote]Amir0x said:
that wasn't my point, just saying that if the study was read the way you read it, some developers would probably be putting their games on GCN because it would probably have a better attach rate... at this point multi-console owners probably get their games on other systems, which would be in contrast to how you read the study...
Alcibiades said:
Sure, but Monkey Ball isn't the only example (Ikaruga, Viewtiful Joe, Harvest Moon, etc). And actually, it made it's largest gains a good 6+ months after launch, it wasn't really a stellar selling launch game (about on par with Fantavision really). It went from being a strange puzzly arcade port to Sega's 3rd strongest IP in a matter of months, that's nothing but remarkable really. Launch period helped certainly, but it wasn't the driving factor in Monkey Ball's rise to fame.Amir0x said:
Sure, but it all plays into each other. The natural assumption seems to be that even niche games can generally expect a better performance on PS2 thanks to the giant userbase but the reality of the market is surprisingly different. It's very hit or miss and proportionately I'd say smaller games have a better chance of standing out on GC versus PS2/Xbox, with a more receptive primary fanbase and far less competition. This doesn't mean every niche release should be on GameCube or that every niche game would sell better on GameCube, it just means they tend to comparatively.Amir0x said:
Gaia Theory said:
efralope said:
efralope said:
BOO!krypt0nian said:
You sir, are the delusional one if you think otherwise.Amir0x said:
jarrod said:
jarrod said:
Gaia Theory said:
yeah, but we weren't talking about "big" titles, you brought that up, the discussion was about the puzzle games on DS and PSP, so a perhaps natural comparison would be niche games on PS2 vs. GCN, don't know why you brought up 100 PS2 million-sellers in a discussion about obscure puzzle games.Amir0x said:
you can end the discussion at attach rate, but that would be generalizing the entire console industry into only 3 sections, maybe you feel unable to delve into a discussion that goes further than that into what types of games have succeeded with which userbase and which userbases are likely to embrace different/bizarre/obscure/unusual games...
I did say that didn't I? Wow.Amir0x said:
Viewtiful Joe 2 sales comparisons illustrates your point perfectly.Amir0x said:
