Your logic is utterly broken.
You start from feelings and then ignore facts to reach the conclusion you already had -- by your own admission.
It's not about being in "like-minded" company. It's about a complete failure of rational reasoning.
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Jared Kushner Company Cited in Russia Money Laundering Case
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Your logic is utterly broken.
You start from feelings and then ignore facts to reach the conclusion you already had -- by your own admission.
It's not about being in "like-minded" company. It's about a complete failure of rational reasoning.
"In any tangible way" is a broad statement. And in light of everything we know, willfully ignorant.
Didn't Trump have a press conference right after Jr. emails promising more dirt on Clinton was coming soon? Or was that all hogwash?
bootsthecat
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I've seen a few replies to this effect; I'm not discounting their findings. They said nothing of the Trump teams involvement, nor did they conclude that the election results were in fact affected. Simply that there was evidence they tried.
bootsthecat
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You guys love to insult, It's unfortunate.
My rational reasoning is what leads me to believe what I do regarding this topic. Feel free to pick it apart, I suppose?
the losing party has no power in any branch of government currently. The IC, Deputy AG and Republican majority Congress are at work here.
I'm not insulting, I'm simply not mincing words when facing a complete lack of logic. You've not presented rational reasoning -- you've started by begging the question and formed conclusions from there. It's absurd.
I'm not here to appease your feelings despite you molding your reality around them.
Let's not forget your first post in the thread while you backpedal into something resembling reason in this thread.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Are you trying to say that our election system is secure? It isn't.
A cybersecurity team just said they did test attacks on election systems and were able to both alter vote tallies and remain undetected in every state that they attacked. It was on NPR in the last couple days.
So thats why the FBI and the special counsel has been investigating why just about all the top officials in the Trump campaign and administration have conveniently forgotten all their encounters with Russian Nationals working for or with connections to the Russian Government?
Be it while under oath or filling out disclosure forms required by law?
You haven't done anything rational. You've reached a conclusion based on what appears to be stupefyingly limited understanding of any of the components of a highly complex case, and ignored the one highly simple aspect - which is that no political figure in history has been clouded by this much direct contact with Russian spies and kremlin linked Oligarchs, in the middle of an investigation about those very things.
And nobody's insulting you. They're attacking your ludicrous position.
At a granular level:
Kushner lied about multiple contacts with Russian operatives including a meeting that was almost literally titled "Let's meet with top Russian govt guys to collude with them"
There's been quite a lot of stories in the news lately about some kind of meeting... I believe an email too? I don't know, seemed important. But we're too busy asserting our conclusions to worry about stuff like that, right?
Do you even you even understand what the word 'insult' means? Because what was said in response wasn't insulting. Questioning your intelligence now.
bootsthecat
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It's irrational to believe that there is nothing of substance regarding collusion by the Trump team in this Russia election tampering, even after months of investigation? Not sure I agree. We will see; I know what side of the fence I'm on for now.
Yes it is.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Why do you think Mueller is still making major hires?
That's clearly irrational. How is the Trump Jr. email not "of substance," to name but one of many pieces of data.
It took years before Watergate went through, you realize these things take time, right? It's not guaranteed to be something, but it's certainly not guaranteed to be nothing.
At this point if you don't believe any of the Russian/Trump connections that seem to be revealed almost daily, and find nothing wrong with this administration being caught constantly lying about said connections (because you know I guess lying is just fun so why not) , you have to be willfully ignoring reality.
So basically it's nothing except the:
-Flynn thing and
-the Manafort thing
-and the Tillerson thing
-and the Sessions thing
-and the Kushner thing
-and the Wray thing
-and the Morgan, Lewis, & Bockius Russian Law Firm of the Year thing
-and the Carter Page thing
-and the Roger Stone thing
-and the 198 Million voter records thing
-and the Felix Sater thing
-and the Boris Ephsteyn thing
-and the Rosneft thing
-and the Gazprom thing
-and the Sergey Gorkov banker thing
-and the Azerbajain thing
-and the I love Putin thing
-and the Donald Trump, Jr. thing
-and the Lavrov thing
-and the Sergey Kislyak thing
-and the Oval Office thing
-and the Gingrich/Kislyak phone calls thing
-and the Russian Business Interests thing
-and the Emoluments Clause thing
-and the Alex Schnaider thing
-and the hack of the DNC thing
-and the Guccifer 2.0 thing
-and the Mike Pence I dont know anything thing
-and the Russians mysteriously dying thing
-and Trumps public request to Russia to hack Hillarys email thing
-and the Trump house sale for $100 million at the bottom of the housing bust to the Russian fertilizer king thing
-and the Russian fertilizer kings plane showing up in Concord, NC during Trump rally campaign thing
-and the Nunes sudden flight to the White House in the night thing
-and the Nunes personal investments in the Russian winery thing
-and the Cyprus bank thing
-and Trump not releasing his tax returns thing
-and the Republican Partys rejection of an amendment to require Trump to show his taxes thing
-and the election hacking thing
-and the GOP platform change to the Ukraine thing
-and the Steele Dossier thing
-and the Sally Yates cant testify thing
-and the intelligence communitys investigative reports thing
-and the Trump reassurance that the Russian connection is all fake news thing
-and the Chaffetz not willing to start an investigation thing
-and the Chaffetz suddenly deciding to go back to private life in the middle of an investigation thing
-and the appointment of Pam Bondi who was bribed by Trump in the Trump University scandal appointed to head the investigation thing
-and the The White House going into full-on cover-up mode, refusing to turn over the documents related to the hiring and subsequent firing of Flynn thing
-and the Chaffetz and White House blaming the poor vetting of Flynn on Obama thing
-and the Poland and British intelligence gave information regarding the hacking back in 2015 to Paul Ryan and he didn't do anything thing
-and the Agent M16 following the money thing
-and the Trump team KNEW about Flynn's involvement but hired him anyway thing
-and the lets fire Comey thing
-and the Mueller lets fire him too thing
-and the Election night Russian trademark gifts thing
-and the Russian diplomatic compound electronic equipment destruction thing
-and the lets give back the diplomatic compounds back to the Russians thing
-and the lets back away from Cuba thing
-and now donny Jr met with Russians thing
-and the lies that the meeting didn't happen, transforming into an eight person meeting
We also know much much much more right now then the Watergate scandal at the same time
x24hrs2livex
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Don Jr. Emails
Paul Manafort
Jared Kushner consistent lying
Sessions forgetting his meeting Kisylak
Flynn being fired
All of that is just made up to you?
GoldenEye 007
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Investigations can take years. So yeah it's illogical to think that just because an investigation is taking a long time, nothing is there.
PeakPointMatrix
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Can you name the "pushback" on this massive scale that involved every IC on every level for this long from the opposing losing party during the Bush era? How about the Obama era? Also these investigations are occurring independent of the "losing party".
This is the most filling nothing burger I've ever had!
Fancyarcher
Member
And yet all of the evidence seems to suggest otherwise.
Heh, did you just type that up for this thread or did you copy it from somewhere? Impressive list Trump has going for him.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
It's a list I've seen making the rounds on the internet. I scanned through it, and it seems like one of the better lists showing what's happened.
Fail at being relevant? I dunno, it's from a manga from before the USSR fell. I don't think the author put much thought into it. I'm just amused by the Russia love coming from the States.
Tyraniboah
Member
How many times does a bird have to walk like a duck, float like a duck, and quack like a duck before we start calling it a duck? This shit is getting ridiculous
That's a lot of nothing. Hmm....
SwiftDeath
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I now feel like the satirical nature of the Beatles Back in the USSR has taken on a whole new meaning
Under anti-money laundering laws, claiming you didn't know or not caring where funds came from gets you hard jail time. It is incumbent on you to prove you went through the proper vetting and checks. When that fails it is a requirement to report immediately.
Him not caring where funds came from is equivalent to him laundering the money himself.
Him not caring where funds came from is equivalent to him laundering the money himself.
When they start losing money and votes.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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RESEARCH!!!
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Imagine that Trump also owned casinos
Maybe if they didn't hack us. Friends with the country that hack your election? Sad.
You did follow that Trump J. released a copy of an email that I'll sum up in "Hey, you want some dirt on Hillary? Cheers, your friend Russia", and admitted to take the meeting proposed in said email, right?
I mean, how can you seriously say there was no colusion, when the Trump team themselves admitted there was collusion (but don't worry, it wasn't a big deal)?
CarlisleDavid1979
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No collusion though.
so you don't accept the facts as laid out by every US intelligence agency? why?
russia fucked with our election. do you really believe that's not worth investigating? that's what Mueller's doing.
throw partisanship out the window. this is important stuff.
Bu bu but he's a good kid, and he's new at this.
polyh3dron
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This nothingburger has a lot of somethings in it.
First you try some coded both sides bullshit.
Then you go for the GAF hivemind bullshit.
Now you're upset that people are being mean to you. While ignoring all points you can't dispute with more than "I believe..."
What's your endgame here?
Keep telling yourself that.
Imperfected
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Russia (or possibly Israel?) GAF, am I right in assuming that Lev Leviev is just the douchiest fucking name around?
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