Ninja Scooter
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I don't think Eddie Murphy has been back on SNL since Fallon was in elementary school. I think Eddie hates the show since he left way back in the early 80s.
Jay Leno on 60 minutes: "Eventually you're going to get screwed."
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I don't think Eddie Murphy has been back on SNL since Fallon was in elementary school. I think Eddie hates the show since he left way back in the early 80s.
Jason's Ultimatum
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I edited my post. Yeah, I could've sworn I read that story, but that was years ago.
Extra Sauce
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Now here's someone who knows his late night history. Could not have said it better.
-ImaginaryInsider
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Such a non point, of course it was staged.
thecouncil
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I cant wait until he takes The Tonight Show back... again. I really hope it happens.
Dude would host the show until he died in that chair, if he could.
I love seeing ads for his "final episode". It's like 'the boy who cried wolf'. I hope Billy Crystal makes mention of the fact that he already did Leno's final episode a few years ago.
Dude would host the show until he died in that chair, if he could.
I love seeing ads for his "final episode". It's like 'the boy who cried wolf'. I hope Billy Crystal makes mention of the fact that he already did Leno's final episode a few years ago.
Problem is, the days of the late night show are numbered. Especially with streaming, social media, connectedness. It's a product of a long gone era. You could see it happening in the early 2000's. Like I honestly don't know who watches Leno/Letterman/Fallon much anymore.
If you need to watch something there are a myriad of shows or movies and things like on demand and streaming have really hurt it. The standup and comedy aspect has diminished, as has the need for celebrities to do the show to promote movies or themselves when there is things like Twitter now etc.
If you need to watch something there are a myriad of shows or movies and things like on demand and streaming have really hurt it. The standup and comedy aspect has diminished, as has the need for celebrities to do the show to promote movies or themselves when there is things like Twitter now etc.
DeaconKnowledge
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NBC Likes Leno because he owns that audience. Nobody else will be as successful with the Tonight Show again.
Extra Sauce
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Would be worth it just for the media circus it would cause.
I'm just happy we're getting Seth Meyers to replace Fallon, significant upgrade as far as I'm concerned.
Jay's show tanked so hard the affiliates went to NBC demanding they cancel it because their news broadcasts were losing so much viewership. Now think about who had to follow the news broadcasts, that Leno had already tanked the ratings for?
Now figure out how Conan was supposed to succeed.
Then why are they pushing him out?
DeaconKnowledge
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Huge contract.
Once Leno and Letterman are out the late night tv will be dead. Will probably be replaced by some cop drama. Ferguson, Fallon and Conan will keep doing their thing but not on better time slot. Fallon and Conan might get shot to replace Leno/Letterman but audience will only decrease and they get bumbed into later slots... Or at least that's what my magical 8-ball tells me.
David Letterman was Carson's successor. Leno was Carson's stand-in on sick days.
Leno stole Letterman's place as Carson's successor by telling NBC that he was cheaper than Letterman. After NBC burned their bridges with Letterman and split their audience, Leno demanded more money than Letterman.
Conan wanted his status as Leno's successor to be spelled out in writing, because of the disaster Leno triggered previously. Leno took this as "being pushed out".
After being pushed out, Leno could have done pretty much anything he wanted, including building the greatest car show on American TV, but what he wanted was to do the same boring talk show job every single day until he dies. NBC kicked out multiple primetime TV shows to accommodate him.
Leno's show bombed in primetime, hurt the evening news, and adversely affected Conan, so they had to fire him, but he had a huge "you can't fire me" clause.
Leno agreed to waive his "you can't fire me" clause if they agreed to fire/push Conan (whose firing would cost less), and give Leno back his old spot. This is why Leno is scum.
Conan refused to get pushed by Leno and refused to push Jimmy Fallon, so he accepted a firing. It was a principled move, which isn't always the smartest one.
Nobody is going to cry when Leno gets "screwed". But Fallon better make damn sure that he's got some really good lawyers looking over his contract, because promises and even contracts from NBC don't mean shit when you're working in proximity to Leno.
Leno stole Letterman's place as Carson's successor by telling NBC that he was cheaper than Letterman. After NBC burned their bridges with Letterman and split their audience, Leno demanded more money than Letterman.
Conan wanted his status as Leno's successor to be spelled out in writing, because of the disaster Leno triggered previously. Leno took this as "being pushed out".
After being pushed out, Leno could have done pretty much anything he wanted, including building the greatest car show on American TV, but what he wanted was to do the same boring talk show job every single day until he dies. NBC kicked out multiple primetime TV shows to accommodate him.
Leno's show bombed in primetime, hurt the evening news, and adversely affected Conan, so they had to fire him, but he had a huge "you can't fire me" clause.
Leno agreed to waive his "you can't fire me" clause if they agreed to fire/push Conan (whose firing would cost less), and give Leno back his old spot. This is why Leno is scum.
Conan refused to get pushed by Leno and refused to push Jimmy Fallon, so he accepted a firing. It was a principled move, which isn't always the smartest one.
Nobody is going to cry when Leno gets "screwed". But Fallon better make damn sure that he's got some really good lawyers looking over his contract, because promises and even contracts from NBC don't mean shit when you're working in proximity to Leno.
Trust me, that's not it. If Leno was such a hit, they would pay the man anything he wanted. NBC needs every hit it can get.
SapientWolf
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Didn't Stern predict what happened? He pretty much said that Leno had nothing else going for him except The Tonight Show.
kimmel also seems to be the one night show host most in touch with the younger generation. Even before the youtube and skits thing, he always had nba week, and big cast interviews of summer tentpole movies (twilight for example)
Craig doesn't seem far off but his time slot ruins alot of things for him. Shame.
Oh. I thought it was a TV show. I'm not from the US, so wasn't aware.
For not being a TV show, he seems to be able to get a lot of access. I watched it the other day actually. He was driving the new Aston Martin CC100 Concept.
Amazing looking car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55oLkV3ydqg
sixteen-bit
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Yeah, Fallon is not that good at all
Leno pulled the same narrative during the Conan saga.
http://www.vulture.com/2010/03/jay_leno_i_got_screwed_conan_g.html
http://www.vulture.com/2010/03/jay_leno_i_got_screwed_conan_g.html
Takamura-San
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Well we know for sure it was not a death threat....
dave is ok
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The funniest thing on the 60 Minutes interview was when Steve Kroft was asking him about his cars, how after 22 years he's still just a guy obsessed with cars and why doesn't he have any other projects and Jay got all defensive and was like "Every car is a new project!"
Dude is a weirdo megalomaniac who never had any kids and spends millions on his little cars.
Dude is a weirdo megalomaniac who never had any kids and spends millions on his little cars.
TheRedSnifit
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Well, at least there's still Kimmel to hold me over until Craig.
schwabdizzle
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I personally think Conan made the best move. He is better than anyone right now IMHO.
Delicious Waffles
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Haven't liked Leno since he screwed over Conan.
robotzombie
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Kilborn? I know he was the best, but let it go, he's never coming back...
You guys are thinking of Tracy Morgan.
http://www.avclub.com/article/pointless-yet-awesome-celebrity-feud-news-tracy-mo-10639
Yeah, the 50+ year old audience... i.e.: the audience that advertisers don't target, hence why Leno is getting the boot and is being replaced with the younger / more "hip" Fallon.
Haha, man. Can completely understand where he is coming from though.
perfectchaos007
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Conan was hip too, but the writers adjusted to their new audience too quickly which scared off almost all of the old demo immediately. Recurring sketches on Conan's Tonight show like "Twitter Tracker" scared off Leno's audience from the get go.
Agreed.
I feel that Fallon is good for the 11:35 timeslot since he's young/hip while at the same time having an old-school TV personality charm ("man that acts like a kid").
His music bits are great too since they have pretty much brought the variety show format that was popular during the '50s and '60s into the 21st century. He should do well in both the young and old demos but better in the young demo for obvious reasons.
I watch all the late night on occasion what I think though is that everyone is in the place they should be! Leno's spot is getting the rating and making bank. Fallon is doing fine right where he is and would not do as well earlier. As alternates all the rest own their shows and they have good followings.
NBC is basically crazy with greed or something.
NBC is basically crazy with greed or something.
crimzonflame
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Who would have thought that Fallon would become host of the Tonight Show? If you told me 10 years ago that he would get the show, I would have died of laughter.
The question should be, will NBC give Fallon more time than they gave Leno. Per CzarTim's post...
It actually took Leno three years to beat Letterman. And it sure wasn't due to Leno's comedic style, it was getting Hugh Grant on after Grant got arrested in getting a BJ from Divine Brown.
Three years for Leno. Conan barely got 7 months.
Because they're afraid of Kimmel. If NBC waits until Leno leaves of his own volition, they will have lost too much of the 18-49 demo to Kimmel and Fallon (or whoever they tap as a successor then) will have too much ground to make up. The thought is that by getting Fallon in now, they're at a better advantage for playing the long game with Kimmel.
He's not wrong. Every car is a project, especially when you are a serious collector like he is. His garage is a museum piece.
entremet
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He's super knowledgeable as well. He really should've done Top Gear US.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
That's Leno's entire legacy. A car museum
Look at Carson, who was loved by millions and walked out on top and barely made any public appearances after leaving. Leno will have none of that. Just a museum in L.A. somewhere.
Jason's Ultimatum
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you're my hero. I knew i wasn't crazy.
thecouncil
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I wonder if Conan died on the inside a little when he heard, after having been forced to move to LA a few years ago, that 'The Tonight Show' was moving back to NYC for Fallon.
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