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Jeff Gerstmann Deappreciation Thread
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Yoboman
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Actually, they do (although I was wrong about graphics and value being 0.2, they're actually worth 0.15 in the overall score, on a rounding basis) I've been posting on the GS forums, and reading their reviews long enough to see how it works.Chris Remo said:
For example:
http://www.gamespot.com/psp/sports/worldsoccerwinningeleven/review.html
Gameplay
9 x 0.3 = 2.7
Graphics
9 x 0.15 = 1.4
Sound
7 x 0.1 = 0.7
Value
7 x 0.15 = 1.1
Tilt
10 x 0.3 = 3.0
Add those up and your overall score is 8.8
EDIT: If you don't wanna deal with the maths, a simpler way of proving my point is that you can go into any review, copy the scores from each category into the reader review box and you'll always come up with the same result.. I don't know why you think it doesn't operate like that, but for whatever reason - you are wrong
That is how it works, pure and simple. They give the same review mechanisms for reader reviews..
How so? By Gamespot's standards of time and system(as Gamespot does) not generally as you imply, THPS3 was perfect enough by these standards at the time to warrant a 10 for each category. If there was nothing (or little) to compete with it in sound, graphics, gameplay, and value then why does it not warrant a 10? You've given no real explanation of how the game doesn't deserve the score all you are doing is explaining the intricies of Gamespot's reviewing guidelines and complimenting the point I've made
BlackClouds
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Really fuck this fat fuck! His Toe Jam and Earl III review really gets my goat, to the point that if I ever met the punk, I'd hurt him real bad. The way he went about attacking the game's coolness in a very suspect way (involves race and culture) was just foul, especially when he wouldn't know what's cool if it fucked him in the ass. All he did was kick a very passionate dev team in the nuts just because he can. I'd like him to diss somebody's game from a publisher with some clout like that, like EA but he has no balls. He also breaks bread on Sega seemingly every chance he gets which isn't going to make him friends with me that's for sure. Sickens me that anybody listens to his reviews and that he's getting paid to feed his large posterior.
Chris Remo
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Yoboman said:
Thanks for pointing that out. I wasn't aware of that, but I'm glad to know. That's a terrible system; in general, GameSpot was my second most trusted review site, but that's definitely changing now.
I don't know how exactly I'm complementing your point. That said, I don't really feel like browsing through all the other games that were reviewed in the same general time frame as this game, but honestly to really say that Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 is superior to all of its contemporaries is just something that seems so absurd it doesn't need such mundane examples. I really feel like this game got the score it did because THPS2 got a 9.9 and they said "Well it improved some stuff so I guess it's a 10."
Another GameSpot quote I feel works against this review: "In general, GameSpot does not favor highly derivative games, which mostly recycle elements from other, previous games. Instead, we appreciate original concepts and ideas that are executed well. This also means that each time an excellent game is released, it becomes incrementally more difficult for another game to be as good in the grand scheme of things."
Okay, so it says "in general," but to say that you value originality then give one of four perfect scores to a game "which mostly recycle(s) elements from other previous games"?
It would be entirely understandable to give the game a very high score, but to say "This yearly installment of a franchise achieves absolute perfection in gaming" really seems to be pushing it based on their editorial guidelines. "This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can ever aspire to be," says GameSpot. So games shouldn't aspire to more originality?
Hitler Stole My Potato
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xabre said:
Red Dolphin
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Ryudo said:
I just read through them and I agree. If you just look at the scores you have no right to comment in this thread. The actual reviews are very accurate. Scores are always debatable.
BlackClouds said:
ToeJam and Earl III: Mission to Earth did have a lot of elements that were in rather poor taste. I don't know if you know it, but the end boss was originally a giant floating, KKK head. And the game's black cheerleaders had watermelons for pom-poms. There was certainly more stuff there, but I'm far removed from the game and don't care to revisit it.
I was a great fan of ToeJam and Earl Studios. I have much respect for both Greg Johnson and Mark Voorsanger, both of whom I've had the privilege to interview. That said, ToeJam and Earl III had some very real problems, and I know that Jeff wasn't the only one commenting on this.
You seem to have some personal grudge against Gerstmann, and the mentality of a 5-year-old child. It's rather pathetic that you'd threaten anyone with bodily harm because they wrote a review you disagree with.
pinkatrophe
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Count Chocula said:
ehhhhh, I disagree.
THPS3 was the low point in the series IMO.
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xabre said:
Good contrast. Christ some of you have issues. This thread is sad.
CajoleJuice
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Correct answer. In fact, after playing the first two to death, I barely played THPS3, and I was done with the series afterwards.Sean said:
Throwaway123456789
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phantomile co. said:
If I'm in a strip club with him, I don't want to know what's 'up'... :|
Soundwave 2k4
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xabre said:
Wow dude....GO OUTSIDE, for fucks sake get away from the computer for awhile
Majora's Mask was a piece of crap. That's the only Zelda game I played where I stopped playing half way through because the game was so stupid and weird. After Ocarina of Time that game was a huge let down.
I also don't like Virtua Fighter because it's too slow and boring. I'm not a big fan of 3D fighting games in general.
Gerstmann sucks at reviews, but he's great at commentary. He's very entertaining on the Hotspot and On the Spot.
I also don't like Virtua Fighter because it's too slow and boring. I'm not a big fan of 3D fighting games in general.
Gerstmann sucks at reviews, but he's great at commentary. He's very entertaining on the Hotspot and On the Spot.
CurseoftheGods
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phantomile co. said:
EDIT: I am sure he's a good guy IRL, but that doesn't mean he isn't a terrible reviewer.
JoshuaJSlone
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Not that I'm going to bitch about different opinions, but
since when did games that sold millions of copies and received many reviews in the high 90s qualify as some underappreciated underdog title that requires revisionism?
Toxic Adam said:
since when did games that sold millions of copies and received many reviews in the high 90s qualify as some underappreciated underdog title that requires revisionism?
CurseoftheGods
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EOGamer said:
I thought his WW review was great.
Blame Gamespot. I don't think that any reviewer in their right mind would ever say that a game is actually "perfect".
So you'll sit here and argue bullshit vague numerical scores and expect it to not be considered "stupid shit"?
This is, without a doubt, one of the worst threads that I've seen. It's not because of the whole 'it's only an opinion' thing. It's not because I like the any of the mentioned games. It's because posters are getting worked up and calling someone "retarded" because he gave a great game a really high score.
This confuses the hell out of me:
So Tekken Tag was great, but because of some tenths on a grading scale, this man is a crime against humanity.
I guess my definition of stupid shit isn't the same as yours;I usually think of angry zealous "gamers" bitching about scores even when they could be talking about the opinions behind them.
CurseoftheGods
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Tain said:
When the fuck did I say that it was a crime against humanity? Read my posts before typing up crap like that.
I said that he's a terrible reviewer and he overrates a lot of games, if you read the actual TTT review you'd see that it is very vague and unclear. I also mentioned that one of the problems with the review is how he scored it.
Learn to read. :lol
CurseoftheGods[/quote said:
Oh, sorry. Not a crime against humanity, but clinically retarded. Nice.
Okay, so he's vague when it comes to how TTT plays, but...
Again, I don't see how a few tenths of a score of a game that you think is great in the first place deserves an entire thread in which you call the man "clinically retarded". My point still stands.
Shalomi said:
I know. And I don't agree with him.
CurseoftheGods
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Tain said:
God damn it. Did you read my first post? :lol
I have mentioned FIVE games/reviews in my original post, and another one later on. I did not call him clinically retarded for "a few tenths of a score of a game". And is your sarcasm detector broken? Because I did not mean it in a literal sense. However, if you found the comment insulting towards you for some insane reason, I do apologize.
Dude, just give up.
I have to admit though, I liked Majora's mask a hell of a lot more than OoT when I played it, although nostalgia has made me more effectionate for the latter in the end.
Seriously, when all of your reviews are a full letter grade above or below the average, something's fucked.
edit: compare his scores for SoE and Contents under Pressure to the average. I mean seriously, what the fuck?
Seriously, when all of your reviews are a full letter grade above or below the average, something's fucked.
edit: compare his scores for SoE and Contents under Pressure to the average. I mean seriously, what the fuck?
teruterubozu
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Just change the channel maybe? This obsession can't be healthy.
Yeah, I realize that you aren't entirely serious about the clinically retarded bit. Don't worry about that.
Yes, I realize that you mentioned five reviews.
But why did it take you so many posts to even vaguely start to say why you thought that the guy is wrong? I mean, Christ, you just linked to the reviews, specifically mentioning their scores, and then went out of your way to say that he doesn't like VF, as if it should be obvious from his clearly horrible scores that he has some sort of shit taste in games.
Before snapping out at me about how I didn't read your posts and that what I'm saying is crap, try to get a hold of this. I've read your posts. I understand that you feel that he overrates games. I also understand that the whole "it's only his opinion" angle given by some is a bit bullshit. But if you go ahead and make a thread saying how horrible this man's tastes are, you should probably try to explain why that is rather than expect everybody to agree with you. When you don't, you come off as a complete, condescending idiot. That's all there is to it.
On the subject of him overrating games, I can't think of a single reviewer who's consistent in their scoring. Going by the average, his reviews for Black, Final Fight, and Driver: PL seem pretty damn standard. So, no, I don't really see the problem.
That probably says it all a bit better.
I remember reading his Super Mario Sunshine review when the game was launched, agreeing with it to a large degree, but being alarmed because the content of the review in no way indicated that the game would be scored so low. I think the only thing he criticised in the review was the camera.
Jonnyboy117
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GameSpot's scoring system is just insane. I love reading most of their reviews, but the scores often don't synch up well with the review text, probably because of the zany weighting factors.
CurseoftheGods
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teruterubozu said:
It's not an obsession. Gamespot is one of the few sites I trust for videogame reviews (I especially respect Kasavin's opinions). It just irritates me when I see another badly written review by Gerstmann, which has happened quite often for a long time now (since the videogame.com days).
This is a fucking videogame message board. It's a place for these kind of discussions. As you guys can see, a number of people agreed to what I have said. I like seeing what other people have to say.
I was just curious if some other people shared my opinion. I do not have some kind of grudge against Gerstmann himself. I am sure he is a nice guy. I am not fond of his reviews.
Thank you.
Synbios459
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The funny thing is these are the same people that gave Shenmue a really low score and got bitched about it and then they gave it a higher score (7.8) saying:
"Editor's note: The preceding review is a re-evaluation of Shenmue on GameSpot - the original score overlooked certain significant features that, after consideration, invalidated the original score that the game received. GameSpot regrets the error."
"Editor's note: The preceding review is a re-evaluation of Shenmue on GameSpot - the original score overlooked certain significant features that, after consideration, invalidated the original score that the game received. GameSpot regrets the error."
Synbios459
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And one review that bothers me perticularlly is the SSB:M review. It got 3 9s, 1 8, and a 10 and yet got a 8.9 and wasn't even Editors Choice
EDIT: And even got a 4 page review!
EDIT: And even got a 4 page review!
BlackClouds
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MC Safety said:
And very little of this is commented on in the review other than dude not liking the humor. Basically saying he hated the premise, the style, humor, the culture, therefore the game sucks, which begs the question, why is he even reviewing the game in the first place if he can't get passed the premise? Anyways, the series always had edgy humor, not unlike something like Boondocks, it is what it is and there's nothing wrong with it.
Again, Jeff's review was so poor, these problems were not stated. I don't even think he played much of the game because it was so lacking in detail. He was just picking on some small fry guys with no clout in the industry for some semblance of legitmacy if some games get dogged out along side the absolute and unabashed shilling that goes on elsewhere on that website. Greg himself was all over the Gamespot messageboards protesting that review. Even he thought the review was extremely unfair.
Eh, you expect me or anybody else to give a fuck what you think? This isn't a popularity contest here, I'm just telling the absolute truth. I don't know Gerstmann outside of his inane reviews so I don't have a personal grudge with him. He just sucks and he should know it.
Sean said:
I sort of agree. I had more fun with THPS2, probably because the addition of the manual was the most important innovation in the series. Nicer graphics, reverts, and a smidgen of online play were certainly not enough to make THPS3 a legendary title, as Gamespot might have one believe.
Oh, and akin to what PuertoRicanJuice mentioned, THPS3 killed the series for me, as well. I haven't touched another Tony Hawk title after playing numero 3.
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