http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/11/pf/joes-crab-shack-no-tipping/index.html
Menu prices are to be increased by 12-15% and it sounds great to me as I normally give a 20% tip.
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Joe's Crab Shack Testing No Tipping Policy
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http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/11/pf/joes-crab-shack-no-tipping/index.html
Menu prices are to be increased by 12-15% and it sounds great to me as I normally give a 20% tip.
Flying Toaster
Member
I am alright with this.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
Good. Hope more restaurants do this.
TheAbsolution
Member
Awesome
I hope it spreads.
I hope it spreads.
xVaalbarAx
Member
This is fantastic.
perfectchaos007
Member
Tipping culture won't go down without a fight. I can imagine a scenario where a customer asks for a drink refill and after 5 minutes the waiter still hasn't come back to refill his glass and he says "I bet she hasn't come back because she's not working for a tip so there's no motivation"
Ivar's (local seafood restaurant) started no tipping when the $15/hr passed here. Some people (40%) still tip, lol. [edit] They also raised prices 21%
http://www.ivars.com/press-room/item/403-minimum-wage
Astral/H3X
Member
Time to eat at Joe's Crab Shack.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Good idea, might encourage some people to eat out more if they only have to worry about the food bill and not an additional 20%-30% more. I hope it works out for them.
Dead Prince
Banned
sounds good. i mean sometimes i get terrible service and i want to give them negative amount
Septimus Prime
Member
I've always wanted to eat there, but there seems to be a toxic crab problem on the west coast right now.
Stay safe, everyone!
Stay safe, everyone!
Arthr2ShdsJcksn
Banned
Keep it up. Tipping should go away just like sales commissions in retail stores.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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NO MORE TIPS
Pay your damn staff.
Pay your damn staff.
All the waiters ive known have said they made great money off tipping. Im sure it varies place to place, but i dont see the big deal about it.
What really needs to go away is tipping for food delivery. People tip like shit and it costs alot more for has and wear and tear then waiterd have to deal with.
SpikeDaPenguin
Neo Member
I'm so happy to hear this! Keep this movement going, no more tips! Pay workers a fair wage!
Bel Marduk
Banned
I'm a server at Joe's Crab Shack and this would be a significant pay cut for me if it were implemented. I've already begun looking for a new job.
They aren't even doing this at my restaurant and now nobody is tipping.
I won't be able to pay my bills this month. Hope the utilities don't get cut off.
They aren't even doing this at my restaurant and now nobody is tipping.
I won't be able to pay my bills this month. Hope the utilities don't get cut off.
That sucks. I remember when I worked there it was tough. Although I avoided doing the car wash by running food instead.
This issue always interests me as the people who typically don't want this the most are the servers themselves.
Bel Marduk
Banned
It actually isn't that bad of a place to work, although I'm sure that will change. Can't believe the company isn't trying to clarify that not all restaurants are testing this. I know that most companies value their employees very little but this is extremely upsetting.
Just curious but how do you know it'll be a pay cut if you haven't actually had the change implemented yet? I mean, I get that people aren't tipping anymore and that's a different story but how do you figure the impact on you? Have you guys been told the pay you'll be getting already?
Also, what would you do/plan to do if all restaurants went to this model in the US?
It's still a subset of Landry's right? After Katrina destroyed the one here in NOLA, they sent me a check every week for 8 weeks for 400 bucks which really helped. The company is great to work for.
I just didn't enjoy dancing.
CharminUltra
Member
Interested to see the outcome of this.
Also, a little OT: Does this place smother their seafood in spicy sauce like Boiling Crab does? I've always wondered.
Also, a little OT: Does this place smother their seafood in spicy sauce like Boiling Crab does? I've always wondered.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Hear here!
This shit gets really awkward when I actually do tip but its not enough and I'm left looking like a douche bag
Bel Marduk
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People aren't tipping anymore. Its really hard to look at this in any kind of positive light.
I wasted all that time in college and can't get a job in my field now I can't even have a serving job. I'm at the end of my rope. Really hard to see a light at the end of this tunnel.
outunderthestars
Banned
I love this idea and hope more restaurants move to follow.
BassForever
Member
I guess the question is before when you got tips how much do you think you'd average an hour? With your base pay + tips was it greater then $14 an hour?
Nope
I get that people aren't tipping anymore - that's a problem with the way it's being implemented where it's only certain places and not all of them. But you say because of this you'll lose money. My question is, are you only looking at it at this specific bump because people think they shouldn't be tipping you right now (when they should, mind you) or are you looking at it at the longer view and still saying that you're going to lose out on money after this goes full-steam throughout the chain?
As an aside, your situation is shit because people aren't tipping at all even though you haven't gotten the raise yet to what you should be making. But if they'd roll it out to the entire chain, you should actually be making about the same money after all is said and done, I would think.
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I stand corrected.
They're completely different types of places. Boiling Crab is a boil-in-bag kinda place. Joe's Crab Shack is more what you'd find on the east coast with the bakes and such. I love them both but they're very different in the way they do their stuff.
Nose Master
Member
Will take a long time to actually get rid of tipping, but this is a good step. I'm still occasionally shocked that it's 100% legal to pay servers like dogshit because tipping is implied. Implied, but not at all mandatory.
Lost Fragment
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Yup.
Anti-tipping people tend to never see the downsides of tipping not being a thing. People who don't know what they're talking about, telling me that I'd be better off if tipping disappeared drives me up the fucking wall.
Getting rid of tipping is not going to be to the monetary benefit of the average server.
Given the choice, I still don't see why you would want a 15-20% higher bill versus the choice to make the bill 15-20% higher and directly give money to a person who could really use it. And if they suck, save yourself some money.
Given the choice, I still don't see why you would want a 15-20% higher bill versus the choice to make the bill 15-20% higher and directly give money to a person who could really use it. And if they suck, save yourself some money.
BassForever
Member
Honestly I feel a mixture of both tipping and not tipping policies is ideal
Raise the wage of all restaurant staff to living wages ($12-15 an hour) and then if a server goes above and beyond give them a smaller tip to thank them for doing more then just the minimum required for their job and/or have tips go into a tip jar that is divded evenly among all staff that worked during each shift.
Raise the wage of all restaurant staff to living wages ($12-15 an hour) and then if a server goes above and beyond give them a smaller tip to thank them for doing more then just the minimum required for their job and/or have tips go into a tip jar that is divded evenly among all staff that worked during each shift.
Mr. Giggles
Member
Wouldn't an increase in your salary offset not receiving tips?
Isn't that the point of tipping in the first place, that it makes up for the fact that you're being payed very lowly?
Pardon my ignorance, just trying to get a more informed perspective
If a restaurant increases their menu prices by 15-20%, it is nearly guaranteed that at least some of that is not going to go into the servers pockets.
The increase in wages is unlikely to reach the level that servers make now with tips.
Front end staff are going to take a hit. People saying otherwise are either under-informed, naive, or disingenuous. From an economic perspective, this is a good overall thing in terms of adjusting where money is flowing for businesses. But that doesn't mean that individuals won't get hit by negative changes.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
family-friendly chains should probably try testing a not making boring-ass bermuda short dad food policy
ChaosZeroX
Banned
I hope more restaurants do this for sure.
Depends on the kind of tips you make. Have several clients I consult with that have employees bringing in 1000-1500 in tips with a 40-50 hour work week. Will their pay increase that much to offset the removal of tips, hard to say. And that's the tips they declare, usually Credit Cards tips since they hit the bank, cash isn't reported for shit, very little of it is anyway. Most good restaurants deal with mostly CCs anyway.
Mr. Giggles
Member
ah I see, I imagined the prices would remain and the restaurant owner taking lower profit margins but I see now that wouldn't or might not happen
Interesting, could you elaborate further on the bolded bit.
Good point, if I were to make an uneducated guess I would think that, no, if you're pulling in approx 1000$ a week it would be a slim chance a pay increase would cover losing that
I like the idea behind the change but my extremely cynical worry is that restaurant prices will increase 25-30%, and the servers still won't make as much as before.
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