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John Riccitiello: "Sony f***ing nailed it, and they deserve the victory"
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Nightengale
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Recognition as an innovator?
That speaks volumes.
That speaks volumes.
fastballspecial
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Yeah, he nailed it with the summary. Microsoft was peddling the Xbox as a jack of all trades but in the end it was a master of none. Sony on the other hand...
GhostTrick
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Exactly. I always felt like PS4 was following 360's philosophy, as making a box dedicated to games and especially 3rd party games. 360 last gen was the console for multiplat games, although PS3 also had it's fair share. PS4 is becoming the de facto console for these games, which explains why Sony isn't pushing first party, or exclusive, as much as before.
The entire entertainment concept was fucked up. Entertainment is being fed through $50 streaming boxes these days. Although tons of people watch Netflix etc, it is a hygiene factor, not a purchase driver. Also, you make a machine that plays games well - it'll do netflix too.
The only forward looking parts were arguably kinect and the HDMI passthrough. But even those were simultaneously over *and* under engineered. Kinect was too much - a built in microphone would have been enough for voice control, and gesture control is still flaky and not be essay to the core experience - but it is expensive. HDMI passthrough is nice for overlaying notifications etc, but they didn't add HDMI-CEC and instead used old fashioned IR blasters to control your TV and DVR.
I don't think the entertainment push is a bad one - my xbox is my preferred box for netflix etc primarily because of the passthrough. But the hardware and cost of production just went off the rails to achieve it.
The only forward looking parts were arguably kinect and the HDMI passthrough. But even those were simultaneously over *and* under engineered. Kinect was too much - a built in microphone would have been enough for voice control, and gesture control is still flaky and not be essay to the core experience - but it is expensive. HDMI passthrough is nice for overlaying notifications etc, but they didn't add HDMI-CEC and instead used old fashioned IR blasters to control your TV and DVR.
I don't think the entertainment push is a bad one - my xbox is my preferred box for netflix etc primarily because of the passthrough. But the hardware and cost of production just went off the rails to achieve it.
Visualante2
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He's using the exact same language Microsoft paraded out when they stepped down from always online. "were sorry the world wasn't ready for our innovation".
Yep, it's also why the PS4 lags being the PS3 as a media home centre iirc, unless the PS4's OS and BD capabilities have been updated to at least match the Triple.
Spider_Jerusalem
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It's more about Microsoft screwed it. Sony didn't really do anything special: their PS4 vision is pretty the same initial Xbox 360 one. A gamer-friendly and developer-friendly console.
FranXico
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Just like last gen, with the outcome being mostly determined by the fact that Sony screwed it.
I'm sure everybody's favourite localizer would share the same opinion.
John Bender
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Exactly what a console and a gamer needs. These are two of the most important points for a great console.
I personally think Microsoft underestimated Sony. Sony was struggling pretty good at the beginning of the PS3 cycle and then got their knee cap busted when PSN was hacked and down for a month. I think thats when Microsoft decided to aim higher and took the average gamer for granted thinking they would be the only real choice for core gamers this gen.
Also the Kinect's commercial success was a false indicator that they needed to develop the Xbox one around it.
Also the Kinect's commercial success was a false indicator that they needed to develop the Xbox one around it.
Spider_Jerusalem
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Absolutely. They didn't consider (and that's crazy) that Kinect success came 5 years in the console's life, when it was much more casual-appealing and at a lower price.
Nightengale
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The irony of the innovation statement is that I think MS is doing a decent job there when it comes to W10 and how they clearly want Windows on everything, with their recent BUILD conference.
Xbox? Not so much.
Xbox? Not so much.
Monocle
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Pretty much. I was so turned off by Microsoft's initial plan for the Xbox One as soon as it became evident that they weren't putting gamers first. It felt like a slap in the face after everything they did right with the 360.
(Ironically, I own an XB1 but not a PS4 because the XB1 has a more appealing library to me.)
(Ironically, I own an XB1 but not a PS4 because the XB1 has a more appealing library to me.)
Chaos2Frozen
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Yet two out of the three couldn't do it.
Melchiah
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I'd say Sony is following more what made the first PlayStation successful; cheap, easy to develop on, and gaming on the forefront.
BocoDragon
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Microsoft was cursed by their corporate mandate. The whole point of Xbox in the first place was to trojan horse a set top box that would let MS become the gatekeeper for Internet-delivered media in the living room. "TV TV TV" was the point of Xbox in the first place. Everyone at MS was shackled to this plan.
Sony's brilliance was recognizing that this was an illusory roadmap dreamed up in the 90s, and irrelivant to the realities of the 2010s. Instead, they went where Microsoft wasn't going: not adhering to the Trojan horse model of a gaming machine media portal, they embraced the idea that they were all about the horse - gaming itself. The timing was brilliant.
Sony's brilliance was recognizing that this was an illusory roadmap dreamed up in the 90s, and irrelivant to the realities of the 2010s. Instead, they went where Microsoft wasn't going: not adhering to the Trojan horse model of a gaming machine media portal, they embraced the idea that they were all about the horse - gaming itself. The timing was brilliant.
Psycho_Mantis
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No. Sony came back because PS3 was outselling 360 in EU, JP and other areas......XB1 is getting outsold in every territory.
samurai1226
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"We’ve made the best fucking game system we could" - They made a system where they get profit from day 1, not the best gaming system they could offer (not having ssds its such a shame in the current consoles)
Also they just won because MS f***ed it up with their daily-online-ping and entertainment stuff, PS4 was hyped big time just because they just build a ps3 with better hardware. Their whole reveal event felt like "We dont do the things MS does"
Also they just won because MS f***ed it up with their daily-online-ping and entertainment stuff, PS4 was hyped big time just because they just build a ps3 with better hardware. Their whole reveal event felt like "We dont do the things MS does"
X1 is better entertainment hub for sure.
Monocle
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I kind of like it. It's solid. Feels like a premium device.
Yeah but that's never the first thing on my mind when I want to play video games
1st Course
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Agreed. Sony pretty much made the better console in almost every way :
-More powerful
-Cheaper
-No forced gimmicks (e.g Kinect)
-Didn't try to fuck customers with DRM/online bullshit
-Better policies overall (Indies, F2P, Japan support etc)
They 100% deserve it.
-More powerful
-Cheaper
-No forced gimmicks (e.g Kinect)
-Didn't try to fuck customers with DRM/online bullshit
-Better policies overall (Indies, F2P, Japan support etc)
They 100% deserve it.
Maybe you'd like to see the chalkboard for leftover options for Microsoft.
Sony's outselling Microsoft by probably over 2:1 by now. And Microsoft is not ahead in any territory at all.
Not even New Zealand.
Xb1 can barely keep up with the ps4 on its strongest markets - US and UK. Not to mention that most 3rd party publishers are jumping on the Sony bandwagon as oppose to how they were in the xbox 360 camp last gen.
MS can try to fet close to the Sony success this gen, but it will be a long and tough road for them.
Totally agree.
While PS4 isn't perfect, it is by far and easily the best console proposition this generation.
30yearsofhurt
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Never gets old.
Their sole presence in the gaming industry has been more or less an strategic deterrent to Apple entering the industry (ultimately the living room). Not that it matters that much (Apple has the cap and cash) but it does. MS trying to get a head start before Apple into the living room = Xbox. MS could care less about Sony or Nintendo, or gaming as a whole (other than being the starting point).
LizardKing
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The idea that game consoles will be a Trojan Horse for general purpose entertainment for the masses is just never going to happen. I could see why they thought that over a decade ago but now I can plug a $30 stick into my TV and get all I need. There are so many better options.
Note: referring to the censored thread title.
Uhm, so I've seen fuck/yadayada/etc thrown around many times here. I don't really care since my grandma could probably embaress most of us here with her foul tounge, if she felt like it, but is that something that is censored now?
I mean what if I wanna say cock-titty-kaka? Or sing Swedish songs about penis's and vulvas?
Uhm, so I've seen fuck/yadayada/etc thrown around many times here. I don't really care since my grandma could probably embaress most of us here with her foul tounge, if she felt like it, but is that something that is censored now?
I mean what if I wanna say cock-titty-kaka? Or sing Swedish songs about penis's and vulvas?
FranXico
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Uhm, so I've seen fuck/yadayada/etc thrown around many times here. I don't really care since my grandma could probably embaress most of us here with her foul tounge, if she felt like it, but is that something that is censored now?
I mean what if I wanna say cock-titty-kaka? Or sing Swedish songs about penis's and vulvas?
Wrong thread?
Uhm, so I've seen fuck/yadayada/etc thrown around many times here. I don't really care since my grandma could probably embaress most of us here with her foul tounge, if she felt like it, but is that something that is censored now?
I mean what if I wanna say cock-titty-kaka? Or sing Swedish songs about penis's and vulvas?
?Pretty fair assessment.
Sony focused on making a games console and succeeded big time. MS tried to make a trojan horse that used gaming as a stepping stone to competing with the big boys like Apple and failed, now they pretty much have to bleed money just to maintain a very distant second place in the gaming sector alone.
Sony focused on making a games console and succeeded big time. MS tried to make a trojan horse that used gaming as a stepping stone to competing with the big boys like Apple and failed, now they pretty much have to bleed money just to maintain a very distant second place in the gaming sector alone.
Uhm, so I've seen fuck/yadayada/etc thrown around many times here. I don't really care since my grandma could probably embaress most of us here with her foul tounge, if she felt like it, but is that something that is censored now?
I mean what if I wanna say cock-titty-kaka? Or sing Swedish songs about penis's and vulvas?
MS marketing ninja trying to spin the thread I see.
LiquidSolid
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Yeah and the only reason the PS1 was so popular was because Nintendo and Sega screwed up. Sony never deserve any credit.
SMH. It's not like Sony just stumbled onto their current success, they had a good plan and capitalised on their competitors mistakes, which is how competitive markets should work.
I still don't understand why Microsoft seemed to think they were untouchable, they finished last gen basically second equal with Sony.
HORRORSHØW
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Uhm, so I've seen fuck/yadayada/etc thrown around many times here. I don't really care since my grandma could probably embaress most of us here with her foul tounge, if she felt like it, but is that something that is censored now?
I mean what if I wanna say cock-titty-kaka? Or sing Swedish songs about penis's and vulvas?
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