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calder

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**This thread was inspired by a conversation here at my work, where I realized that the woman talking about it ACTUALLY BELIEVED IT. Like for real.**

Up until now when someone referenced Titor in a seemingly serious way I assumed that 99% of the time it was an especially wry joke. I like my humour like I like my gin, dry, so it always made me chuckle and wink at the subtlety of the joke. Now I'm not so sure, and that's just fucking depressing.

So really, none of you guys mean it when you say you're keeping an eye out for more prophecies coming true and making plans for whatever loopy civil war he allegedly predicts... right? I mean, no one *really* believes in that except in the most casual "gee wouldn't that be freaky if it was true" way one might kinda-sorta almost believe in Nostradamus when they read some bogus article about him but then forget about it except to make jokes every now and then, correct? I could understand that, even if I didn't agree with it. Like how people who think the moon landing was hoaxed strike me as, uhm, kinda credulous but still I understand why maybe they'd fall for it. But believing that some dude travelled through time to find some widjit they lack in his post apocolyptic utopia, and took the time to tell everyone about it on some forum? That would be a whole 'nother level. ;)

Come on GAF, reassure me. :p
 
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dem

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Get your bicycle and your shotgun ready or youre not going to be allowed into my shotgun division.
 
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calder

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You know, in a perfect Agatha Christie-inspired world (the best possible world, btw) where it's always who you least suspect it would turn out that John Titor was HITOKAGE ALL ALONG! And that he was just pretending to be a butler here at the GAF mansion in order to do something time-travely.

That would be awesome enough that I'd pretty much accept the massive nuclear war next decade as worth it.
 
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Otaking

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What do you mean? If you're referring to my previous post in the Bush election thread, then I am serious. Who ISN'T preparing for this war? I just ordered more lead to insulate my basement today. Tonight I'm going to my shotgun cleaning classes at the local hunting lodge. I have a friend, Ancyker, who's helping me get food and supplies to put in the bomb shelter. Heck, I even got the kevlar coming for my Solid Snake-style sneaking suit for when I have to go on raids for supplies during the war. If you aren't preparing for this, then I feel no remorse for you when the war begins. Go, atleast buy a bicycle. No GAFFER will die at the hand of the Titor Wars....
 
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Tenguman

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The good thing about John Titor is that his predictions can be put to the test.

shortly after this year's presidential elections, in 2005, waco-like events happen leading to the next civil war in 2008. Citizen rights will slowly be taken away due to protection and national security, which will lead to waco-style events followed by all out war. Around 2020 or so, a plauge hits the world as many people begin to get infected with Mad-Cow due to tainted beef they are eating today.

The biggest thing against John Titor is that he doesn't mention 9-11. Believers would say that Titor didn't want to taint our world line, but I think that's just bull since he felt free to mention the civil war and etc.
 
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Deleted member 1235

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My bicycle has Spokey-dokeys, I'm going to look like the most razzle-dazzle shotgun wielding post war bandit ever.

*I really think Titor was a guy taking a punt on what could possibly happen, most of it (bar the ray gun time travel device) is probably not that far out of the question.
 
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Ryu

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RAZZLE DAZZLE!
 
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UltimateMarioMan

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The good thing about John Titor is that his predictions can be put to the test.

shortly after this year's presidential elections, in 2005, waco-like events happen leading to the next civil war in 2008. Citizen rights will slowly be taken away due to protection and national security, which will lead to waco-style events followed by all out war. Around 2020 or so, a plauge hits the world as many people begin to get infected with Mad-Cow due to tainted beef they are eating today.
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What, no dead rising from the grave to devour the flesh of the living?
 
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Hitokage

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calder said:
You know, in a perfect Agatha Christie-inspired world (the best possible world, btw) where it's always who you least suspect it would turn out that John Titor was HITOKAGE ALL ALONG! And that he was just pretending to be a butler here at the GAF mansion in order to do something time-travely.

That would be awesome enough that I'd pretty much accept the massive nuclear war next decade as worth it.
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And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling posters!
Tenguman said:
The good thing about John Titor is that his predictions can be put to the test.

shortly after this year's presidential elections, in 2005, waco-like events happen leading to the next civil war in 2008. Citizen rights will slowly be taken away due to protection and national security, which will lead to waco-style events followed by all out war. Around 2020 or so, a plauge hits the world as many people begin to get infected with Mad-Cow due to tainted beef they are eating today.

The biggest thing against John Titor is that he doesn't mention 9-11. Believers would say that Titor didn't want to taint our world line, but I think that's just bull since he felt free to mention the civil war and etc.
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No, John Titor provides himself with an easy out. If something he predicts doesn't happen, well you're just in a different worldline! The one thing that IS testable is his claims regarding the computer he came back in time to get(you know, the whole point of his time travelling), and on that issue he fails spectacularly.

Oh, and Titor's persepective is from a post 2000 election(when, suprise suprise, people feared social breakdown) but pre september 11th viewpoint, not one from the future. Failure to mention anything about 9/11 or the war on terror is like forgetting Pearl Harbor as the cause for US involvement in World War II.
 
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MASB

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MrPing1000 said:
he said there wouldn't be another olympics after athens. Looking good so far
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How is it looking good? Some news on the 2006 Winter Olympics front I didn't hear about?
 
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Hitokage

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Tenguman said:
What I meant was that his predictions are more on the nose than say, Nostradamus. There's no "reading into them".
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Yeah, but once you start getting specific, you have to start worrying about actually being right for once... and that leads to your prophecies not lasting very long.
 
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calder

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MASB said:
How is it looking good? Some news on the 2006 Winter Olympics front I didn't hear about?
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Well, NHL players are looking unlikely to participate due to the ongoing lockout. No NHLers = the Winter Olys are dead to me.


What do you mean? If you're referring to my previous post in the Bush election thread, then I am serious. Who ISN'T preparing for this war? I just ordered more lead to insulate my basement today. Tonight I'm going to my shotgun cleaning classes at the local hunting lodge. I have a friend, Ancyker, who's helping me get food and supplies to put in the bomb shelter. Heck, I even got the kevlar coming for my Solid Snake-style sneaking suit for when I have to go on raids for supplies during the war. If you aren't preparing for this, then I feel no remorse for you when the war begins. Go, atleast buy a bicycle. No GAFFER will die at the hand of the Titor Wars....
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:lol no I hadn't actually read that thread, or if I did I missed your post. Shit, if we get sneaking suits out of it I'm growing a mullet and buying a bicycle repair store tomorrow.


Hito raises a major point, when you read the Titor stuff the whole thing is like an extended "I Love the 90s" segment. Reading about how civil unrest and fringe doomsday cults are the big ongoing social concern is almost fucking quaint now. I mean after 9/11, Afghanistan and now Iraq I look back on cultish nutbars in their fortified compounds with something approaching whimsical fondness. :p
 
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Mason

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So how do you explain the Unix bug then? Nobody knew about that until Titor spoke of it, and now they have proven he was right.
 
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Hitokage

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Mason said:
So how do you explain the Unix bug then? Nobody knew about that until Titor spoke of it, and now they have proven he was right.
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Nobody? Or nobody who believes in people from the future? Surely there are People involved with Unix that know of this problem. Whatever the problem is. What is the problem again?

EDIT: Oh, I see.
 
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Hitokage

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And it's not a bug as much of an implementation limitation. The fix? Make time_t 64bit instead of 32bit and recompile(we still have the C source code for BSD and Linux, and active development for both, completely unlike COBOL mainframes and Y2K)... and guess what, this is already being done TODAY with 64bit systems.

This is why the John Titor legend is able to prey on so many people, even though the base facts fail basic scrutiny so spectacularly, most people don't know the slightest thing about UNIX or variable typing.
 
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Hitokage said:
This is why the John Titor legend is able to prey on so many people, even though the base facts fail basic scrutiny so spectacularly, most people don't know the slightest thing about UNIX or variable typing.
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Its weird because he kept insisting people go check it out to "see for themselves". Why did he want that one particular brand of computer again? No other one could decipher something or rather.
 
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Hitokage

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catfish said:
Its weird because he kept insisting people go check it out to "see for themselves". Why did he want that one particular brand of computer again? No other one could decipher something or rather.
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Apparently to read the C computer language used in systems in the future(built today, no doubt) you need a specific IBM computer from the 1970s or whatever... apparently the millions of computers in use today won't work... yeah...

...but still, insisting that other people investigate you is a common charlatain gambit, hoping that they'll only see enough to be convinced then stop, ignoring the whole picture. It works for the mormons, why not Titor.
 
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Tenguman

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The most interesting aspect of John Titor is his description of conflict in the United States. Even if he's not a real time-traveller, he does have incredible insight relavent to what has been happening to citizens of the United States these last 2 years. If anything, it's great commentary and does make you lift an eyebrow.

In 2000, John Titor references many thing that were happening at that time that point to things that are relavent to his "civil war in 2008". He seemed very interested in the election that was going on at that time and hinted that this was a pre-curser to events leading up to his civil-war. Specfically, he asked people to look closely at the election-maps as well as to think about electoral voting. What's the relevance of this?

When the country was being formed, there was a major concern in dealing with the States. It comes down to rural versus urban voting interests and popular voting. Urban areas, with their densly populated cities would generally dictate the winning vote. Thus, rural areas feared that their interests would never be heard and that urban-based cities would always have their way. Thus, the Electoral College was born to remove the population advantage cities have over rural areas. States are the basis of this country, so it's crucial that all states have equal say regardless of their population. How would people in Nebraska or New Mexico feel if New York always dictated national policy? Now how would those rural states feel if, say, the federal government left the electoral college and went to a popular vote?

John stated to look at the 2000 election county results. Looking at these, you can see just how divided the country really is. You have Urban areas voting one way, Rural areas voting another. People in both areas with 2 different philosophies to life and government. This clash between these two different philosphies is what John Titor says will be the basis of the next Civil War.

And the years after John came and went, what are you seeing? What has happened in the last couple of years? The people of the United States have become increasingly divided to the point of real hate. Month by month, you hear of more confrontations between people who believe in 2 different things. Hell, browse the OT forum the last year or so and you'll see. It's pretty damn clear to anyone that's been paying attention that this country has become increasingly divided. John Titor, in 2000, said to look for these types of things. These are the things that will lead to the next Civil War, so he says.

And if you think about it....when was the last time the country was this divided? When was the last time Americans with 2 different philosphies were ready to fight one another? I don't need to spell it out.....

John Titor, in 2000, mentioned that this clash of philosphies intensifies around the 2004 election, and starts to become major in 2005.


I'm not saying I believe the guy is a time traveller. That idea is pretty rediculous. However, after reading some of the things, I DO believe that whoever wrote this stuff had some good insight into what the state of american life would be in the coming years after the 2000 election. It's good social commentary.
 
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SickBoy

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Man, someone has to print out this thread so in 2038, Titor can cycle over to Calder's communal family farm and give him the biggest "tolja so" in recorded history.

-SB
 
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Hitokage

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Tenguman: While the social commentary by Titor may be decent on some level, I feel it's lacking. For one, it merely looks at the division in America, but not its contributing factors which will play a great deal into what the future will actually be should everything go down the shitter. He got somewhat close with the militia movement reference... (being vague because I'm not really in the mood to get into it on this forum today).
 
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Tenguman

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teiresias said:
Considering I've been abducted by aliens, I don't think John Titor is too big of a stretch.
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I wonder what the aliens were thinking when they discovered your reaction to their anal probes? </bad-joke>
 
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sc0la

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About "worldlines"

Technically, if the universe were infinite, then there would be infinite incidences of our world each with infinte unique dissimilarities. ie a world in which everything is exactly the same and my middle name is david instead of alan. So if someone could travel time then all bets would be off about the infinite nature of the universe, and multiple parrallel and unique universes could be a byproduct of its infinite-ness.

:p

I still think its shit though ;)
 
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duderon

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scola said:
About "worldlines"

Technically, if the universe were infinite, then there would be infinite incidences of our world each with infinte unique dissimilarities. ie a world in which everything is exactly the same and my middle name is david instead of alan. So if someone could travel time then all bets would be off about the infinite nature of the universe, and multiple parrallel and unique universes could be a byproduct of its infinite-ness.

:p

I still think its shit though ;)
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Yet more proof Titor is the answer!!!
 
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Jim Bowie

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Can I just use my board? Bikes are expensive, and if I have to buy a bike along with a shotgun, I'm going to be hella taxed out.
 
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Triumph

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Who was the dude that took like $800 and made millions on the stockmarket, but then didn't have any paperwork or proof of ID?
 
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Pimpwerx

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I believe in Titor more in a "yeah, our day of reckoning is coming soon" type of way more than believing in it literally. I'm crazy, but not THAT crazy. PEACE.
 
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JoshuaJSlone

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Raoul Duke said:
Who was the dude that took like $800 and made millions on the stockmarket, but then didn't have any paperwork or proof of ID?
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I don't remember his name... but he was a product of the Weekly World News. I don't know if they still do this anymore, but Yahoo would sometimes use Weekly World News stories, but if you weren't paying close attention they looked like pretty much any other Yahoo news stories, so it would fool a lot of people and spread fake news at times.
 
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