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[Mrbob]

Sweet now we're going to have Sony as the sole ruler of video game land!! Ironic how people wanted psp to be successful because they didnt want a monopoly in the handheld market :lol

I'm not sure the PSP is as much of a release to rule the gaming world as it is to keep the status quo of marketshare within the company. Remember, Kutarugi has even gone on record in the past stating that next gen consoles probably will not have much difference. Sony knows they won't be able to dominate with the PS3 like they have with the PS2 and PSOne so now they are forging out into a new market to make money.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Man, imagine if Sony didn't have any shortage problems. * goes back to playing Ridge Racers *

It's hard to say. With ~700K sold and supply low we can't really tell if there were a million rabid to buy one or 20 million.

 

[SantaC]

Hell no what would we have to laugh at then?

yeah I think people should stop complaining over nfans then.

 

[duckroll]

I'm not sure that would have been a bad thing, though.

PSP = Does excellent 2D and 3D
NDS = Does excellent 2D and decent 3D
GBA = Does decent 2D

I'm sure it would have been a bad thing, because I like progress. 3D does not mean 2D ceases to exist.

 

[JJConrad]

Did we ever clear up whether Enterbrain/Media Create numbers account for PSP sales on Sony's own site?

Also, as of last week, there was a discrepancy of almost 100K between the PSP LTD sales numbers that could be tallied from Enterbrain vs Media Create weekly sales figures.

There's obviously discrepancies here, but you seem ready to jump to unsupported conclusions as to where they lie...

The problem with that theory is that at the end of 2004, there was only about a 50k gap between what Sony claimed to have shipped and what those charts claimed to have sold (both charts were about even). That gap has exploded since then.

As of that, I give up. Some of you may be acting like a horse's ass for your own ammusement, but others of you are hopeless fanboys. This thread needs archived as proof that Nbots aren't the only retards.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

I'm not sure the PSP is as much of a release to rule the gaming world as it is to keep the status quo of marketshare within the company. Remember, Kutarugi has even gone on record in the past stating that next gen consoles probably will not have much difference. Sony knows they won't be able to dominate with the PS3 like they have with the PS2 and PSOne so now they are forging out into a new market to make money.

I don't see that, though. PS1 got its foothold mostly because of Nintendo and Sega doing stupid things. They did much fewer stupid things in the next generation, yet PS2 was able to trounce them even more than before because the advantage of being the past victor was just so huge.

 

[soundwave05]

The DS is still selling very well itself, its more or less doing what the GBA SP was doing last year at this time I think. This is definitely not an N64 type situation. 40k+ a week in Feburary is very strong sales.

PSP is just performing phenomenonally though. I think what you're seeing is a lot of the core Sony fanbase (PS2 owners) are probably buying a handheld for the first time or for the first time in a long time.

The people who said PSP was "more of the same" were in serious denial, I think to most ocnsumers the PSP comes off as the one offering a totally new kind of experience, its Sony's take on handheld gaming, and that is a huge difference. Its like Tarantino doing Jurassic Park instead of Spielberg.

 

[Soulbrighter]

Have you seen PSP games up close and personal? Trust me this is a good thing. I love 2D too but come on..

Yes, I have seen that sexy piece of hardware in motion, and I can't wait for April 15th, but, as a nostalgic, I'm afraid the old good 2d will disappear.

 

[duckroll]

The problem with that theory is that at the end of 2004, there was only about a 50k gap between what Sony claimed to have shipped and what those charts claimed to have sold (both charts were about even). That gap has exploded since then.

Ok then, for the sake of this one post, let's assume there's NO PSP shortage and let's see where your reasoning goes:

As of that, I give up. Some of you may be acting like a horse's ass for your own ammusement, but others of you are hopeless fanboys. This thread needs archived as proof that Nbots aren't the only retards.

Ok so who's being retarded here exactly? The PSP sells 71k, the DS, GBA, GBA SP and GC see 75k combined. Now tell me, even if there's no shortage at all, who's being retarded here? :lol

 

[Soulbrighter]

PSP = Does excellent 2D and 3D
NDS = Does excellent 2D and decent 3D
GBA = Does decent 2D

I'm sure it would have been a bad thing, because I like progress. 3D does not mean 2D ceases to exist.

In fact, Castlevania is pure wonderful beautiful stunning 2D.
I'm convinced, progress IS a goood thing

 

[Razoric]

Ok so who's being retarded here exactly? The PSP sells 71k, the DS, GBA, GBA SP and GC see 75k combined. Now tell me, even if there's no shortage at all, who's being retarded here? :lol

Nfan comeback: Wait for Yosh.... Pokemon!!
:lol

 

[Mrbob]

I don't see that, though. PS1 got its foothold mostly because of Nintendo and Sega doing stupid things. They did much fewer stupid things in the next generation, yet PS2 was able to trounce them even more than before because the advantage of being the past victor was just so huge.

Well, I should say I don't think next gen will end up being a SNES/Genesis race where sales are almost the same in NA. I still expect the PS3 to be ahead be a decent clip. I just don't think it'll be like PS2 dominance. Perhaps something back during the PSOne/N64 days where the PS3 sells something like 75 million and Xbox 2 40 million. It really doesn't matter to me which one is ahead, because I'll own them both.

 

[jarrod]

Sony's PSP helped push Nintendo to improve the handheld from 2D to 3D (NDS)
Without competitors, handheld would always be 2D world

It's pretty doubtful the DS spec was upped at all, it was the unique interfaces (2nd screen, touch screen, microphone, etc) that were integrated to differentiate Nintendo's product. If PSP didn't exist, I think we'd be getting the exact same DS chipset in a single screen "GameBoy 64" in mid 2005 instead.

 

[Razoric]

It's pretty doubtful the DS spec was upped at all, it was the unique interfaces (2nd screen, touch screen, microphone, etc) that wer integrated to differntiat Nintendo's product. If PSP didn't exist, I think we'd be getting the exact same DS chipset in a single screen "GameBoy 64" in mid 2005 instead.

You seem really unbiased as of late. Have I been reading you wrong the whole time?

 

[soundwave05]

It's pretty doubtful the DS spec was upped at all, it was the unique interfaces (2nd screen, touch screen, microphone, etc) that were integrated to differentiate Nintendo's product. If PSP didn't exist, I think we'd be getting the exact same DS chipset in a single screen "GameBoy 64" in mid 2005 instead.

Yeah thats very possible.

 

[Speevy]

I sometimes wish Nintendo didn't exist, so threads like these wouldn't get so much attention.

 

[soundwave05]

What did RE0 and RE Remake sell their first week out btw?

Seems like RE4 is more or less right on target with those releases.

 

[Chittagong]

It's pretty doubtful the DS spec was upped at all, it was the unique interfaces (2nd screen, touch screen, microphone, etc) that were integrated to differentiate Nintendo's product. If PSP didn't exist, I think we'd be getting the exact same DS chipset in a single screen "GameBoy 64" in mid 2005 instead.

Exactly. This is my theory too. Sony raped Nintendo's technology roadmap. It was so clear earlier. The pictures of the early Nitro dev board with one screen and no touching support this theory.

 

[SantaC]

I sometimes wish Nintendo didn't exist, so threads like these wouldn't get so much attention.

I agree, and everybody is blaming the nfans of being retards.

 

[duckroll]

You seem really unbiased as of late. Have I been reading you wrong the whole time?

Jarrod is a very fair man. I think you've been reading him wrong. Things can get a little heated over specific numbers and stuff sometimes but as far as opinions go, he isn't remotely what you might call biased. Just because someone doesn't rag on Nintendo when the PSP outsells the DS doesn't mean he's a biased Nintendo fan.

 

[btutterrow]

DMC and FFVII CC won't see release until 2006. Then again, neither will Pokemon D/P most likely imo.

Yeah, that's why I said 'the same time-frame'. Some of the games he mentioned should be out this year, and some will most likely be out next year (has Zelda DS even been officially announced?). Same thing with the PSP games.

 

[kaching]

The problem with that theory...

I'm not the one advancing a theory here. I'm just checking to see if you're accounting for all significant factors.

...is that at the end of 2004, there was only about a 50k gap between what Sony claimed to have shipped and what those charts claimed to have sold (both charts were about even). That gap has exploded since then.

You'd expect the gap to widen if Media Create/Enterbrain don't cover all of the retail outlets that sell PSP, esp. a major like Sony's online sales site. It went from a gap of 50k to a gap of 200k - is it really that difficult to believe given what continued sales have occurred at sites not covered by EB/MC, plus obviously at least some PSPs still sitting on shelves somewhere in Japan?

 

[Miburou]

jarrod is biased, just like all of us with opinions of our own. But he's usually fair (although he'll never ever admit defeat in an argument:lol), and he sometimes likes to take jabs at whoever he's arguing with.

Anyway, I'd really kill for a hi-res 2D Castlevania on the PSP that has Guilty Gear quality sprites.

 

[soundwave05]

I think honestly Nintendo probably has multiple chipsets lying around their R&D division for the next Game Boy. Some are probably more budget oriented others are probably more expensive and thus Nintendo "sits" on those.

When they caught wind of the PSP, they rushed a chipset that they had sitting around (Nitro) into production and added the touchscreen.

I do think they probably have a basic prototype of a GCN-level Game Boy Next in their R&D but they can't bring it to market right now because it would be too expensive for them, that's why we have the DS right now.

 

[Duckhuntdog]

So let's cut to the chase:

Sony is our new God. All hail Sony. I shall pray to no other God but the Cell.
Nintendo is doomed, which is standard operating proceedure for the past 10 years.
MS is just plain, fucked. But it doesn't matter because Japanese gaming market is depressed.

There you go, thread in a nutshell, let's move on.

 

[SantaC]

So let's cut to the chase:

Sony is our new God. All hail Sony. I shall pray to no other God but the Cell.
Nintendo is doomed, which is standard operating proceedure for the past 10 years.
MS is just plain, fucked. But it doesn't matter because Japanese gaming market is depressed.

There you go, thread in a nutshell, let's move on.

Amen. (not that I agree)

 

[Izzy]

GBA : 400
GBA SP : 22,000
PSP : 71,000
NDS : 42,000

PSP > NDS + GBASP + GBA


DS numbers are not poor, they are solid - OTOH PSP sales are just amazing; once Sony up the shipments we'll see even bigger numbers and a larger discrepancy between PSP and DS.

 

[SantaC]

once Sony up the shimpments we'll see even bigger numbers and larger discrepancy between PSP and DS.

thanks mr obvious.

 

[soundwave05]

thanks mr obvious.

:lol

 

[Speevy]

Better selling software isn't working. Maybe the DS just needs another screen.

 

[acklame]

 

[btutterrow]

Better selling software isn't working. Maybe the DS just needs another screen.

:lol

Thanks a lot! Almost got me in trouble at work.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

I do wish Nintendo DS was doing better right now, but once all the RPGs start hitting Japan it should be a different story.

 

[Midas]

thanks mr obvious.

Look who's talking!

 

[Izzy]

01 PS2 Radiata Stories SquaEnix 190,000 190,000
02 PS2 Another Century's Episode Banpresto 175,000 175,000
03 NGC Biohazard 4 Capcom 145,000 145,000

 

[jarrod]

DS numbers are not poor, they are solid - OTOH PSP sales are just amazing; once Sony up the shipments we'll see even bigger numbers and a larger discrepancy between PSP and DS.

Or we might just see the supply fueled demand normalize like it has for DS now. That's what usually happens when you use a limited launch to drive demand.

 

[soundwave05]

I do wish Nintendo DS was doing better right now, but once all the RPGs start hitting Japan it should be a different story.

DS is selling quite well.

PSP is just on fire though. PSP is also probably bringing in people who aren't interested in Nintendo's portables. The Sony brand/style and the edgier kinds of software along with the media functionality create a product which can bring new consumers to the market.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

DS is selling quite well.

PSP is just on fire though.

True, very true. OK, better than PSP on a per week basis. :lol

 

[monkeyrun]

Just wait till Pokemon and Jump Super Star on DS ..... it'll explode again

 

[DarienA]

Better selling software isn't working. Maybe the DS just needs another screen.

I'm going to be very disappointed if someone does not photoshop a 3 screen DS.

EDIT: Thank you jarrod.. I take it someone did that awhile ago?

 

[jarrod]

I'm going to be very disappointed if someone does not photoshop a 3 screen DS.

 

[Doogdogg]

I'm going to be very disappointed if someone does not photoshop a 3 screen DS.

You speak too soon. DS SP is sitll in the pipeline.

 

[Doogdogg]

Still not enough screens. Damnit, the more the merrier. :lol

 

[Izzy]

BTW, what happened to 'once Yoshi gets released, DS will comfortably outsell PSP' saying?

I'm sure Yoshi's been out for almost a week in Jp, and yet the difference between PSP and DS numbers is even more pronounced - but not in DS' favour.

 

[soundwave05]

I really think actually this is gonna come down to hardware.

Both systems will have very good libraries. Nintendo has Pokemon and the interesting touschscreen, but Sony has the lure of their "Playstation style" of gaming which can appeal to a broader demographic and a big jump in processing power/screen tech.

Its going to come down to what "style" of gaming you like and which hardware you prefer.

 

[SantaC]

BTW, what happened to 'once Yoshi gets released, DS will comfortably outsell PSP' saying?

he was banned.

 

[Drinky Crow]

This thread has made my day.

 

[Hero]

Are these Famitsu or Media Create numbers?

It doesn't really make sense, Biohazard 4 was at number 1 for a most of the week.

 

[paul777]

Or we might just see the supply fueled demand normalize like it has for DS now. That's what usually happens when you use a limited launch to drive demand.

Exactly. The initial shortages force a prolonged early adopter phase. That's what this is. DS is past that phase and is still selling well. Which is good news since it's a great system. Hopefully the PSP will also keep a nice number up and everyone's happy am i right.

 

[Speevy]

This thread has made my day.

Well, let's hope it made your week, because it's all downhill until next Wednesday.