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AniHawk · Aug 17, 2004

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[b]Nintendo Gamecube[/b]           |  [b]Total[/b]  |
----------------------------+---------+
SONIC ADVENTURE 2 BATTLE    | 901,144 |
SONIC MEGA COLLECTION       | 537,849 |
SUPER MONKEY BALL           | 511,385 |
SONIC HEROES                | 414,516 |
SUPER MONKEY BALL 2         | 343,490 |
SONIC ADVENTURE DX          | 340,878 |
PHANTASY STAR ONLINE I & II | 188,655 |
BILLY HATCHER               | 142,300 |
NFL 2K3                     | 136,974 |
SKIES OF ARCADIA LEGENDS    | 109,043 |
NBA 2K3                     | 100,242 |
NBA 2K2                     |  80,806 |
HOME RUN KING               |  68,474 |
BEACH SPIKERS               |  64,848 |
SOCCER SLAM                 |  43,468 |
NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3           |  28,504 |
PHANTASY STAR ONLINE III    |  29,304 |
VIRTUA STRIKER 2002         |   9,716 |
NHL 2K3                     |   9,032 |
SAMURAI JACK                |   6,922 |
NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3         |   5,897 |
PUYO POP FEVER              |     447 |
----------------------------+---------+
[b]Microsoft Xbox[/b]              |  [b]Total[/b]  | 
----------------------------+---------+
NFL 2K3                     | 289,057 |
ESPN NFL FOOTBALL           | 197,060 |
NBA 2K3                     | 183,043 |
ESPN NBA BASKETBALL         | 146,027 |
HOUSE OF THE DEAD III       | 145,300 |
WORLD SERIES BASEBALL       | 133,195 |
PANZER DRAGOON ORTA         | 124,838 |
NBA 2K2                     | 117,432 |
SONIC HEROES                | 110,325 |
CRAZY TAXI 3                | 104,143 |
NFL 2K2                     | 101,768 |
NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3           | 100,233 |
JET SET RADIO FUTURE        |  98,783 |
GUNVALKYRIE                 |  94,216 |
WORLD SERIES BASEBALL 2K3   |  86,082 |
SEGA GT 2002                |  85,462 |
NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3         |  82,878 |
TOEJAM & EARL III           |  66,101 |
NHL 2K3                     |  65,342 |
ESPN MLB BASEBALL           |  60,905 |
ESPN NHL HOCKEY             |  60,479 |
OTOGI: MYTH OF DEMONS       |  54,999 |
ESPN COLLEGE HOOPS          |  52,897 |
SEGA GT ONLINE              |  39,185 |
SOCCER SLAM                 |  30,214 | 
----------------------------+---------+
[b]Sony Playstation 2[/b]          |  [b]Total[/b]  |
----------------------------+---------+
NFL 2K3                     | 797,413 |
VIRTUA FIGHTER 4            | 621,569 |
NBA 2K2                     | 466,150 |
NBA 2K3                     | 403,716 |
NFL 2K2                     | 359,000 |
SHINOBI                     | 278,929 |
SONIC HEROES                | 248,710 |
ESPN NFL FOOTBALL           | 209,347 |
ESPN NBA BASKETBALL         | 197,520 |
VIRTUA FIGHTER 4 EVO        | 192,966 |
NCAA FOOTBALL 2K3           | 172,457 |
WORLD SERIES BASEBALL2K3    |  93,475 |
NCAA BASKETBALL 2K3         |  92,596 |
TENNIS 2K2                  |  88,654 |
ESPN NHL HOCKEY             |  84,815 |
NHL 2K3                     |  81,666 |
GUNGRAVE                    |  75,396 |
BASS FISHING DUEL           |  58,110 |
ESPN COLLEGE HOOPS          |  55,171 |
SOCCER SLAM                 |  45,583 |
ESPN MLB BASEBALL           |  45,101 |
AERO ELITE: COMBAT          |  27,942 |
NIGHTSHADE                  |  26,489 |
REZ                         |  20,809 |
KING OF ROUTE 66            |  20,593 |
FERRARI F355 CHALLENGE      |  19,406 |
SAMURAI JACK                |  14,372 |
VIRTUAL-ON MARZ             |  12,400 |
----------------------------+---------+--------+
[b]Top 10 [All-Formats][/b]        |  [b]Total[/b]  | [b]Format[/b] |
----------------------------+---------+--------+
10 SUPER MONKEY BALL 2      | 343,490 |   NGC  | 
9 NFL 2K2                   | 359,000 |   PS2  |
8 NBA 2K3                   | 403,716 |   PS2  |
7 SONIC HEROES              | 414,516 |   NGC  |
6 NBA 2K2                   | 466,150 |   PS2  |
5 SUPER MONKEY BALL         | 511,385 |   NGC  |
4 SONIC MEGA COLLECTION     | 537,849 |   NGC  |
3 VIRTUA FIGHTER 4          | 621,569 |   PS2  |
2 NFL 2K3                   | 797,413 |   PS2  |
1 SONIC ADVENTURE 2 BATTLE  | 901,144 |   NGC  |

Well, amazingly bad, that is.

Anyway, SoA DC's numbers were at 106,042 last. Nothing else to note except Sonic Heroes bumped up to #7, pushing NBA 2K3 PS2 to #8.

Musashi Wins! · Aug 17, 2004

Did Puyo Pop release late in the month? Jesus, what a waste of time.

segasonic · Aug 17, 2004

ESPN 2K5 ?

AirBrian · Aug 17, 2004

So are the 2K5 games under Take-Two now?

jarrod · Aug 17, 2004

Musashi Wins! said:
Did Puyo Pop release late in the month? Jesus, what a waste of time.

It had limited distribution... though 447 is almost unbelievably bad. :/

AniHawk · Aug 17, 2004

AirBrian said:
So are the 2K5 games under Take-Two now?

Guess so. And I wont be counting them either, just like how I don't count Shenmue II or PSOI&II for Xbox.

segasonic · Aug 17, 2004

What? You're stealing Sega's only million seller in the last 2 years? NOOOOO

jedimike · Aug 17, 2004

teh shame... Sega's first million seller of this gen and they won't even get credit for it.

jarrod · Aug 17, 2004

segasonic said:
What? You're stealing Sega's only million seller in the last 2 years? NOOOOO

Well, there's Sonic Advance, though THQ stole that one as well. :/

AniHawk · Aug 17, 2004

segasonic said:
What? You're stealing Sega's only million seller in the last 2 years? NOOOOO

This is Sega-published stuff. I would include GBA numbers if I had full totals, but even then, there'd be about 3 games because most are under THQ.

Mrbob · Aug 17, 2004

jedimike said:
teh shame... Sega's first million seller of this gen and they won't even get credit for it.

Why should they?

They more than likely weren't the driving force behind making ESPN2K5 a success. I'd love to hear one day who had a bigger influence on the price and advertising for the game: Sega or Take Two.

etiolate · Aug 17, 2004

I didn't even know Puyo Pop Fever was out and I was looking forward to the game.

Whatever happened to Sega's advertising? I remember seeing lots of Sonic Adventure 2 Battle commercials, but haven't seen much for anything else since.

BlackClouds · Aug 17, 2004

I don't agree with Anihawks stance (take two is not on the box of ESPN NFL 2k5, but Segac cleary is, not to mention it's a co publishing deal), so somebody else will just have to keep track of all the other Sega games and related published by others.

jarrod · Aug 17, 2004

BlackClouds said:
I don't agree with Anihawks stance (take two is not on the box of ESPN NFL 2k5, but Segac cleary is, not to mention it's a co publishing deal), so somebody else will just have to keep track of all the other Sega games and related published by others.

It's the same setup as Sega's "co-publishing" deals with THQ and Atlus on GBA and Nokia on N-Gage, they're really just distributors... though NPD ranks the games with them.

Meier · Aug 17, 2004

Umm, Anihawk is going by the official publisher listing by the NPD. ESPN 2k5 games are listed as TTWO games and are referred to as such by Wedbush, et al. They're no longer "Sega" games for all intents and purposes.

DMczaf · Aug 17, 2004

Meier said:
Umm, Anihawk is going by the official publisher listing by the NPD. ESPN 2k5 games are listed as TTWO games and are referred to as such by Wedbush, et al. They're no longer "Sega" games for all intents and purposes.

LOL

So it was the Sega Curse that killed 2K games sales!

Christoff Yurievich · Aug 17, 2004

AniHawk said:
SUPER MONKEY BALL 2 | 343,490

if I could find a copy around here that would be 343,491. Maybe with the Player's Choice release more copies will be distributed?

AniHawk · Aug 17, 2004

bune duggy said:
if I could find a copy around here that would be 343,491. Maybe with the Player's Choice release more copies will be distributed?

It's not Player's Choice yet?

bloke · Aug 17, 2004

HOUSE OF THE DEAD III | 145,300

Bring on Virtua Cop3 and Ghost Squad, Sega.

segasonic · Aug 17, 2004

jedimike said:
teh shame... Sega's first million seller of this gen and they won't even get credit for it.

NFL 2K3

segasonic · Aug 17, 2004

bloke said:
HOUSE OF THE DEAD III | 145,300

Bring on Virtua Cop3 and Ghost Squad, Sega.

So true!!

Auron · Aug 17, 2004

I sold my mother-in-law on a GameCube because of Puyo Pop, and she can't find it. Now I see why.

cvxfreak · Aug 17, 2004

AniHawk said:
It's not Player's Choice yet?

It is. I saw it at Best Buy with the border.

Jumpman Jr. · Aug 17, 2004

EB didn't have Puyo Pop, and after a quick computer search, they couldn't find a nearby EB that stocked it. I was under the impression that it didn't ship yet.

I'm ready to buy Puyo Pop Fever, Sega! Make it readily available and watch your sales climb to 448 copies sold.

AniHawk · Aug 17, 2004

CVXFREAK said:
It is. I saw it at Best Buy with the border.

Then it's $30, right?

Musashi Wins! · Aug 17, 2004

Try gamestop for Puyo, it's been readily available around here since it's release.

cvxfreak · Aug 17, 2004

AniHawk said:
Then it's $30, right?

$20

Sonic Adventure 2 Battle also dropped in price which should help it to a million before the end of the year.

Socreges · Aug 17, 2004

SHINOBI 278,929
NIGHTSHADE 26,489

Sega board members contemplate using what they call 'Money Repellant' in sequel to Nightshade.

AniHawk · Aug 18, 2004

CVXFREAK said:
$20

Sonic Adventure 2 Battle also dropped in price which should help it to a million before the end of the year.

Damn. I wonder why Super Monkey Ball is doing so much better then (it's been outselling SMB 2 on a 10-1 ratio for the last few months).

cvxfreak · Aug 18, 2004

AniHawk said:
Damn. I wonder why Super Monkey Ball is doing so much better then (it's been outselling SMB 2 on a 10-1 ratio for the last few months).

Yep, that shouldn't be happening anytime soon now, however.

AniHawk · Aug 18, 2004

GC: 4,073,864 | 35.4%
PS2: 4,810,355 | 42.8%
Xbox: 2,629,964 | 22.8%
TOTAL: 11,514,183

Averages:
GC: 172,768
PS2: 171,798
Xbox: 105,199

DUN DUN DUN!

Musashi Wins! · Aug 18, 2004

AniHawk said:
GC: 3,800,894 | 33.8%
PS2: 4,810,355 | 42.8%
Xbox: 2,629,964 | 23.4%
TOTAL: 11,241,213

Averages:
GC: 172,768
PS2: 171,798
Xbox: 105,199

DUN DUN DUN!

It's like their holding hands for the cliff jump

ZILLION · Aug 18, 2004

They more than likely weren't the driving force behind making ESPN2K5 a success. I'd love to hear one day who had a bigger influence on the price and advertising for the game: Sega or Take Two.

I think the partnership with Take Two was a result of Sega(Sammy?) deciding to go all out with a price drop. With a move like that,they'd need to ensure a sales increase and increased distribution over previous years,hence the publishing agreement with the number 1 distributor of budget titles in Globalstar. The actual publisher of this game is listed as Sega/Globalstar.

From the press release announcing the deal

""The ESPN Videogames titles, developed and marketed by California-based Visual Concepts Entertainment, Inc., a subsidiary of SEGA Corporation, will be co-published under the Sega/Global Star Software label. Under the terms of the worldwide agreement, Take-Two will be the exclusive distributor of ESPN videogames while SEGA will provide development infrastructure and marketing support.

"The combined efforts and resources of SEGA and Take-Two will create an exciting and powerful partnership that will heighten the level of aggressive competition in the sports game segment," said Hisao Oguchi, Representative Director and President of SEGA Corporation."

"We believe this exclusive relationship with Sega is an exceptional opportunity for Take-Two," said Paul Eibeler, Take-Two President. "We have tremendous respect for the critically acclaimed properties Visual Concepts have created and are confident Take-Two's distribution resources will be able to fully support the products."

cvxfreak · Aug 18, 2004

AniHawk said:
GC: 3,800,894 | 33.8%
PS2: 4,810,355 | 42.8%
Xbox: 2,629,964 | 23.4%
TOTAL: 11,241,213

Averages:
GC: 172,768
PS2: 171,798
Xbox: 105,199

DUN DUN DUN!

I'm lost.

goodcow · Aug 18, 2004

etiolate said:
Whatever happened to Sega's advertising? I remember seeing lots of Sonic Adventure 2 Battle commercials, but haven't seen much for anything else since.

Advertising costs money, and to get money they need to sell games... it's a vicious cycle.

Meier · Aug 18, 2004

AniHawk said:
Damn. I wonder why Super Monkey Ball is doing so much better then (it's been outselling SMB 2 on a 10-1 ratio for the last few months).

Because once SMB went PC they started shipping out big numbers of it after having pretty much no new stock for a year or so. SMB2 just went PC a few weeks ago and now is also re-stocked so it should see a bit of a boost. Hopefully Viewtiful Joe will as well now that is also officially PC.

belgurdo · Aug 18, 2004

No wonder Sega only brought over the GC version of PPF. Hope Astro Boy (both versions) does better

Mejilan · Aug 18, 2004

I'm one of 447 people!!

Matlock · Aug 18, 2004

The only place I've ever seen PPF for sale is at Wal-Mart, and we all know that's not NPD turf.

Also of note is that someone rented it from Hollywood Video, so thats...well...uh...

Anyway.

BobbyRobby · Aug 18, 2004

Musashi Wins! said:
Try gamestop for Puyo, it's been readily available around here since it's release.

Not at my Gamestop. I think only Mall, and larger volume stores got it.

turbos · Aug 18, 2004

Mejilan said:
I'm one of 447 people!!

Me too

AntoneM · Aug 18, 2004

I'm still at a loss on why Sega doesn't get credit for the ESPN sales... didn't Square get credit for everyhting they put out on the PSOne?

Mejilan · Aug 18, 2004

I've been to a couple of Gamestops in Manhattan and Brooklyn, and they've all had PPF.

cvxfreak · Aug 18, 2004

max_cool said:
I'm still at a loss on why Sega doesn't get credit for the ESPN sales... didn't Square get credit for everyhting they put out on the PSOne?

Everything but FF7 I think.

AniHawk · Aug 18, 2004

max_cool said:
I'm still at a loss on why Sega doesn't get credit for the ESPN sales... didn't Square get credit for everyhting they put out on the PSOne?

If you want, you can compile a list with F-Zero GX, Shenmue II, PSOI&II Xbox, and the ESPN games, and post them in this thread every time. Sega made them, someone else published them. If Sega didn't publish them, they don't go on the main chart. That's how it goes.

cvxfreak · Aug 18, 2004

AniHawk, do you think it's possible for Sonic Adventure 2: Battle to outsell the first Sonic Adventure on Dreamcast?

As of January 2003:

1,059,252

ZILLION · Aug 18, 2004

I'm still at a loss on why Sega doesn't get credit for the ESPN sales... didn't Square get credit for everyhting they put out on the PSOne?

EA was a co-publisher and exclusive distributor of Square games between 1998 and 2003 under the Square-EA label. Take Two is a co-publisher and exclusive distributor of ESPN Videogames under the Sega-Globalstar label.

MightyHedgehog · Aug 18, 2004

I think it's a glaring omission that ESPN 2k5 isn't counted in that list. The fact is that Sega funded the game and their name and involvement with the title is mostly what drives the title's success, IMO. They got the ESPN license for their sports titles; their subsidiary developed the title; they should get credit.

ZILLION · Aug 18, 2004

That's how co-publishing works. Sega needed wider distribution for their sports titles and this arrangement gives them that. You wouldn't expect another publisher to help out if they didn't get any credit whatsoever,would you? Even though the upside financially for Take Two is low they get to crow about their marketshare increasing and SOJ gets to crow about the game selling well.

If Matrix Online does well Sega will be the one benefitting in their marketshare % despite WB and Monolith handling the development and marketing. It goes both ways.

Deleted member 284 · Aug 18, 2004

Mejilan said:
I've been to a couple of Gamestops in Manhattan and Brooklyn, and they've all had PPF.

Please tell me the one in Atlantic Mall had a copy.

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