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Gabe Sapolsky has posted up Paul Heyman's plan to bring in Bryan Danielson to TNA if he was put in charge there and what he would do with him:

More Of Paul Heyman's TNA Plans Revealed - This One Involving Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan
by Gabe Sapolsky on Monday, 20 June 2011 at 17:50

You might have heard the new Paul Heyman interview from over the weekend where he revealed some of his plans if he went to TNA last summer, particularly with younger, new talent. I'll add something to that involving the man now known as Daniel Bryan in WWE. I was in the loop with Heyman about going to TNA. Now don't get me wrong, I wasn't about to give up Dragon Gate USA and EVOLVE, which are both very close to my heart, but I was going to figure out a way to possibly be involved with everything and even possibly tie in DGUSA and EVOLVE, but that's another subject for another time and was a long, long way from happening.



In the middle of all the TNA/Heyman talks, Bryan Danielson was fired by WWE last June. After Bryan called me, I immediately called Heyman and in just a little while Paul had a brilliant plan to make Bryan a star in TNA. It was a four parter:



1) Have Bryan debut a new submission and tap out EVERYONE in under a minute.



2) At the same time introduce a new, huge monster with a new high impact move and have him beat everyone quickly. I'm thinking Goldberg meets 911 here.



3) After 3-6 months, have Bryan and the monster collide and have Bryan tap him out in under a minute. This puts over the submission and Bryan like a million bucks. Have Bryan continue tapping people out. After a year or so, Bryan cuts a promo saying "I've tapped out everyone in this company..."



4) This all leads to Kurt Angle, after one year, coming out and confronting Bryan saying that he never tapped him out and that TNA is Angle's company. Bryan vs. Angle is on! Tell me that wouldn't sell some PPVs with that build up.



Instead, we were fortunate to have Bryan Danielson/Daniel Bryan for a nice run in both DGUSA and EVOLVE. He gave us some great matches in DGUSA against Shingo at "Enter The Dragon", YAMATO at "Untouchable 2010" and recent WWE signing Jon Moxley at "Way Of The Ronin". We happen to have just started a www.DGUSA.tv Weekly Special where all these DVDs are 25% off. Trust me, all these are worth going out of your way to see, especially if you are a Bryan fan.



We also had Bryan on two EVOLVE events before he returned full-time to WWE. He had hard-hitting, brutal matches against Bobby Fish at EVOLVE 4 and Munenori Sawa at EVOLVE 5. You can get both these DVDs at www.EVOLVEwrestling.com for just $25. Again, these are a must see, especially for all Bryan fans.



I don't know if Bryan would have signed with TNA, but I do think there was a window in June/early July of last year where he probably would have if Heyman and I went there. Now the window on everyone is slammed shut. Just another "what could have been."
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abundant said:
So basically copy what he did to Taz in 1996.
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There are basic formulas which will work pretty much every time regardless of what era it is. Also Heyman is now a huge MMA fan and with its rise in popularity it only makes sense to move more in that direction.
 
abundant said:
So basically copy what he did to Taz in 1996.

I'm not attacking Heyman's booking, just pointing out that this is exactly how he booked Taz in 96.
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It's not like we have many Taz type wrestlers these days. Taz happens to be one of my favorite wrestlers of all time.

Human Suplex Machine with the FTW championship >>>>


Submission wrestling as far as the WWE/TNA is barely around aside from people like Danielson (what a nerd!), Regal, Angle and Samoa Joe...
 
spindashing said:
It's not like we have many Taz type wrestlers these days. Taz happens to be one of my favorite wrestlers of all time.

Human Suplex Machine with the FTW championship >>>>


Submission wrestling as far as the WWE/TNA is barely around aside from people like Danielson (what a nerd!), Regal, Angle and Samoa Joe...
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I love Taz too, especially One Man Crime Spree, Path of Rage Taz. And the good thing about this booking formula is that it doesn't have to be given to a submission expert to work. Heyman used this same formula on Santino aka Boris Alexiev the Russian Submission Nightmare, back in OVW and it worked!
 
abundant said:
I love Taz too, especially One Man Crime Spree, Path of Rage Taz. And the good thing about this booking formula is that it doesn't have to be given to a submission expert to work. Heyman used this same formula on Santino aka Boris Alexiev the Russian Submission Nightmare, back in OVW and it worked!
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Santino is actually pretty good at Brazilian Jiu Jitsu in real life.
 
dream said:
Heyman produced Shane Carwin's promos for his fight against JDS and the difference was just night and day.
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UFC really should hire him for help with producing those. Would really help out guys like Velasquez, for example, who may be world class fighters but just don't have it in terms of promoting ability.
 
Chriswok said:
Rewatching wrestling from 1998. McMahon v Austin was awesome.
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You should get the Austin vs. McMahon or Mr. McMahon dvd. Awesome stuff. Don't get both tho. McMahon is the better documentary, but McMahon v Austin has more bonus stuff.
 
DKehoe said:
UFC really should hire him for help with producing those. Would really help out guys like Velasquez, for example, who may be world class fighters but just don't have it in terms of promoting ability.
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No argument here. He knows exactly which points fighters should hit in their promos and he always manages to find the right way to express them.

If I had my way, Heyman would put on a trench coat, dig out his cell phone, and reform the Dangerous Alliance with UFC fighters.
 
Mr. Sam said:
I fucking said Punk would win. I know I'm very, very late but some of us work for a living.
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But it was a Clean Victory?

I didnt have the Chance to watch CP but if it was clean Punk for WWE champion , yeah right
 
CM Punk Facebook page said:
Last night at Capitol Punishment, I not only defeated Rey Mysterio...I also vowed to perform the most honest act in WWE History. Join me on tonight's Power to the People episode of Monday Night Raw, and witness the genesis of something monumental.
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http://www.facebook.com/notes/cm-punk-wwe-universe/tonights-announcement/10150289253957095


Hmmm, better be real.



Bryan1321 said:
But it was a Clean Victory?

I didnt have the Chance to watch CP but if it was clean Punk for WWE champion , yeah right
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It was clean.
 
dream said:
No argument here. He knows exactly which points fighters should hit in their promos and he always manages to find the right way to express them.

If I had my way, Heyman would put on a trench coat, dig out his cell phone, and reform the Dangerous Alliance with UFC fighters.
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It drives a lot of MMA fans crazy but MMA tends to succeed most when it's most similar to pro wrestling. The casual fans that aren't going to watch every show are far more interested in a good storyline than two top level athletes facing off. It's those fans that UFC needs to market to in order for a PPV to really succeed since the hardcore fans will pretty much watch any card UFC puts on. I really just want him to do something of interest to me on a regular basis. Him running some celebrity gossip blog just seems a waste.
 
I think MMA IS pro wrestling. Exact same business, just slightly different mechanics.

I remember Heyman saying he had something lined up with Strikeforce that he couldn't mention until after the release of Brock's book. I wonder what that was all about.
 
I enjoyed watching Jeff Jarrett wrestle when he was tag team partners with Owen Hart and the future ex-Mrs. Steve Austin.
 
funkystudent said:
Cm punk to beat cena clean with the power of Blast processing?
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I was thinking more along the lines of this

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by the way...after this Orton/Christian thing is over....

Who moves into the title picture????????

Sheamus could fit for Orton. He's probably out til the blow off match then attacks Orton after the match is over. Who's left for Christian? Daniel Bryan???????????????


HBK was on the satellite radio wrestling show today and HBK is the reason for the PG shit. Not Linda.

Backstory:

HBK/Jericho was suppose to be a 1 off match. He said he got the fake injury thing from a Eddie Guerrero match and it was a tribute to him. HBK/Batista was suppose to continue til Summerslam of that year and they stuck Jericho in there just to turn him heel. Jericho and HBK planned the feud out on a week by week basis. Vince liked their match and decided to keep it going.

Jericho and HBK were having a match and HBK bladed pretty bad. It so happened that some reps from a large company looking to be a WWE sponsor were in attendance. They got up and left because the blood was too much for them. The next day, Vince told everyone that blood and foul language were no longer allowed.


Edit: The event in question had to before Jericho won the title because they had a ladder match at No Mercy that year and it was no blood.
 
Professor Beef said:
I was thinking more along the lines of this
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Perfect Junior is on the Nexus payroll.
No reason he couldn't have leased the Genesis concept to Punk in exchange for landing the tag titles.
 
dream said:
I think MMA IS pro wrestling. Exact same business, just slightly different mechanics.
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Absolutely and I think there are advantages and disadvantages for each. For example in MMA, you think Josh Koscheck is a dick? Buy the PPV and you can watch GSP kick his ass FOR REAL. Whereas in wrestling sure you may hate The Miz but John Cena isn't actually going to hurt him.
The other side of it is that in MMA if you have someone like Bob Sapp who has a great look as well as having charisma (basically the type of guy Vince would love to have, which is why he did try) but not much technical skill then you can only "push" him to a certain extent before he gets exposed.
 
jobber said:
HBK was on the satellite radio wrestling show today and HBK is the reason for the PG shit. Not Linda.

Backstory:

HBK/Jericho was suppose to be a 1 off match. He said he got the fake injury thing from a Eddie Guerrero match and it was a tribute to him. HBK/Batista was suppose to continue til Summerslam of that year and they stuck Jericho in there just to turn him heel. Jericho and HBK planned the feud out on a week by week basis. Vince liked their match and decided to keep it going.

Jericho and HBK were having a match and HBK bladed pretty bad. It so happened that some reps from a large company looking to be a WWE sponsor were in attendance. They got up and left because the blood was too much for them. The next day, Vince told everyone that blood and foul language were no longer allowed.
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No it looks like Vince is still the reason.

I could see HBK pushing his christian beliefs and all the shit for a PG WWE but from the above its Vince making another knee-jerk reaction to satisfy one individual. Nice CEOness Vince
 
If I remember right Cena has also said in interviews he pushed for the product to go PG. Like I have said before though I really don't think PG is a problem. It's totally possible to put on a good PG show. Is Impact really better because they bleed and swear all the time?
 
DKehoe said:
If I remember right Cena has also said in interviews he pushed for the product to go PG. Like I have said before though I really don't think PG is a problem. It's totally possible to put on a good PG show. Is Impact really better because they bleed and swear all the time?
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I agree too. Pg is not the problem. What made the attitude era was that it was new and fresh. You can't do that again. You have to find the next new thing that unique to get everyone interested in the product again. The problem is Vince and the booking of the matches. They need to book long term and not week by week with Vince changing everything at the last moment. They got to lose that pettyness that they have and realize you have to run it like a business and not by rules where if talent gets over by themselves bury them.
 
DKehoe said:
If I remember right Cena has also said in interviews he pushed for the product to go PG. Like I have said before though I really don't think PG is a problem. It's totally possible to put on a good PG show. Is Impact really better because they bleed and swear all the time?
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Let the pigeons loose >>>>>>>>>>>> smart, sexy, and powerful
 
DKehoe said:
If I remember right Cena has also said in interviews he pushed for the product to go PG. Like I have said before though I really don't think PG is a problem. It's totally possible to put on a good PG show. Is Impact really better because they bleed and swear all the time?
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Attitude Era > PG Bullshit/Cena super cereal comedy hour
 
Plywood said:
Attitude Era > PG Bullshit/Cena super cereal comedy hour
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I've probably said the opposite sometime in the last 3-4 years, but the Attitude Era was not better just because of the nature of the programming. The booking and writing is absolutely garbage these days, and THOSE are the problems. A PG rating doesn't mean you treat the audience like idiots, and market the product with some of the worst attempts of entertainment on TV.
 
dream said:
Wow, Maryse's promo work. :(
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What?
Net_Wrecker said:
I've probably said the opposite sometime in the last 3-4 years, but the Attitude Era was not better just because of the nature of the programming. The booking and writing is absolutely garbage these days, and THOSE are the problems. A PG rating doesn't mean you treat the audience like idiots, and market the product with some of the worst attempts of entertainment on TV.
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I agree completely but I think for the short term an attitude era approach would be at the least more entertaining. Though it does not fix the problem, obviously.
 
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