June Wrasslin |OT| MADNESS

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Spirit of Jazz said:
It's fucking stupid, but Truth being fucking stupid is what's made him so awesome since his heel term. I actually found it pretty entertaining as opposed to the Christian/Randy bullshit, as long as there's some consistency within the feuds narrative I don't give a shit.
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Plus, they can set up him noticing the slow counts and seek out revenge on Little Jimmy. It makes sense.
Jackson50 said:
He dominated the match and was beaten by a single move. Irrespective of the wrestlers involved, that finish is a bit too much for me. I will say that the inclusion of the little Jimmy is logical. So it is at least tolerable.
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Who are you to doubt Water?
 
remnant said:
And only Bootay will watch it.
Why? You'll just bitch that one of the IWC favorites didn't win every match and dominate on every show
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And I take that as your concession that you can't think of another storyline. Because there haven't been any. We all knew this was coming, but it's still bullshit when it happens.
 
Didn't watch the show but am wondering did Evan Bourne get a decent pop or was the crowd dead? Love that dude and his awesome Air Bourne finisher. I hope he gets some momentum.
 
Well, thanks Wrestlegaf. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this PPV with you all, even if it was fucking rubbish. I wiil now try and sleep, with AW MAH GOODNESS echoing in my brain. See you for Raw. One of you US guys will have to do the voting on my behalf...!
 
ThreeSix said:
Merchandise sales = championships.

R Truth refuses to sell any, and would you honestly buy Christian's new shirt?

Cena and Orton it will remain.
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Their merchandise sales do not fall when they don't hold the title anymore. Those days are over. There needs to be some fresh blood put into this company as it's getting stale.
 
Heavy said:
Didn't watch the show but am wondering did Evan Bourne get a decent pop or was the crowd dead? Love that dude and his awesome Air Bourne finisher. I hope he gets some momentum.
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The crowd died on that match, til' the end when everyone was happy it was over.
 
Heavy said:
Didn't watch the show but am wondering did Evan Bourne get a decent pop or was the crowd dead? Love that dude and his awesome Air Bourne finisher. I hope he gets some momentum.
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Match went to long crowd got bored he got a decent pop when he won
 
The Frankman said:
Plus, they can set up him noticing the slow counts and seek out revenge on Little Jimmy. It makes sense.
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Unless I'm missing the sarcasm, that Ref ALWAYS counts like that and I hate him for it. I'd be shocked if they go ANYWHERE with it.
 
Jackson50 said:
He dominated the match and was beaten by a single move. Irrespective of the wrestlers involved, that finish is a bit too much for me. I will say that the inclusion of the little Jimmy is logical. So it is at least tolerable.
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Finishers are meant to finish the match, he was able to pull it off due to a distraction, it wasn't a heel move to take advantage of it as it only happened due to Truth being a twat. I liked it, maybe people kicking out of finishers all the time weakens it but even so I'm not to complain when things are done right, I'll just bitch about them when they're done wrong.
 
JdFoX187 said:
And I take that as your concession that you can't think of another storyline. Because there haven't been any. We all knew this was coming, but it's still bullshit when it happens.
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I could name them, but you'll just bitch. The Orton/Christian feud has been good. Edge vs ADR was very good. Cena/Miz/Rock was good, if promo heavy. Punk vs Orton was good and had very good matches. The feuds around the IC championship, when it was Kofi,Drew, Dolph and sometimes Swagger were excellent, but no one talked about them despit everyone always complaining that the WWE treats that title like shit. Daniel bryan US title feud with the Miz was also good.

It isn't hard. The response is just predictable.
 
Heavy said:
Didn't watch the show but am wondering did Evan Bourne get a decent pop or was the crowd dead? Love that dude and his awesome Air Bourne finisher. I hope he gets some momentum.
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Pop for his entrance. Dead after that.
 
The thing that really bothered me was how Cena kept kicking out like the big show and right at 2 didn't even wait for the gap between 2 and 3
 
remnant said:
I could name them, but you'll just bitch. The Orton/Christian feud has been good. Edge vs ADR was very good. Cena/Miz/Rock was good, if promo heavy. Punk vs Orton was good and had very good matches. The feuds around the IC championship, when it was Kofi,Drew, Dolph and sometimes Swagger were excellent, but no one talked about them despit everyone always complaining that the WWE treats that title like shit. Daniel bryan US title feud with the Miz was also good.

It isn't hard. The response is just predictable.
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I'd call a feud good when it's compelling all the way through, and the end leaves both guys in good positions for higher profile feuds after the one in question.

Y'know who "won" from all those feuds you listed? Orton and Cena. Same ol sheeeeeit.
 
Spirit of Jazz said:
Finishers are meant to finish the match, he was able to pull it off due to a distraction, it wasn't a heel move to take advantage of it as it only happened due to Truth being a twat. I liked it, maybe people kicking out of finishers all the time weakens it but even so I'm not to complain when things are done right, I'll just bitch about them when they're done wrong.
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True. Perhaps that is why they are labeled finishers? But I find it a bit much that someone can be finished after only a single move; this is entirely unrelated to Cena. Otherwise, the finish could have been decidedly worse had it not conformed to the narrative.
 
remnant said:
I could name them, but you'll just bitch. The Orton/Christian feud has been good. Edge vs ADR was very good. Cena/Miz/Rock was good, if promo heavy. Punk vs Orton was good and had very good matches. The feuds around the IC championship, when it was Kofi,Drew, Dolph and sometimes Swagger were excellent, but no one talked about them despit everyone always complaining that the WWE treats that title like shit. Daniel bryan US title feud with the Miz was also good.

It isn't hard. The response is just predictable.
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Don't hide behind your fucking words, back them up. No one here hates the WWE and its booking for irrational reasons. We're all wrestling fans that would love to see WWE return to its heyday.

So let's examine what you posted.

Orton-Christian: Great heel turn for Christian filled with a shitton of inconsistencies. Orton gets a title shot because he's cheered for. Christian doesn't get one because...? Christian has to earn his after competing in several matches while Orton doesn't do shit, and doesn't have to defend the title until the PPV. Makes no sense.

Cena-Miz-Rock: How was this a good storyline? There were promos every couple weeks between Rock and Cena with Miz only showing up the last two weeks. That was one of the worst executed main events in recent memory to the point where the champion was a complete afterthought. Oh yes, also forgot that the next day, after getting screwed, Cena comes out bubbly and happy to make a match with the Rock for a year down the road. He says he doesn't care about the title, then enters the main event the following PPV and beats Miz. Again...makes no sense.

Punk-Orton: So you consider Orton demolishing, and heelishly punting each member of the Nexus to the point where Punk is by himself, and then beating said Punk at the PPV quality? Only to follow that up by beating Punk again on Raw and again at the next PPV. Where was there a storyline progression there?

The only feud that you listed that was even remotely halfway decent was Daniel Bryan v. Miz. So that's ONE feud since three years ago when Jeff Hardy left the company. Good storylines bro.

Of course, you'll quote this and say "your response is predictable" and leave it at that. Either defend your position, or don't bother posting. Throwing out some dumbass statement that there have been quality feuds, and then refusing to elaborate on that adds nothing to the thread.
 
Net_Wrecker said:
I'd call a feud good when it's compelling all the way through, and the end leaves both guys in good positions for higher profile feuds after the one in question.

Y'know who "won" from all those feuds you listed? Orton and Cena. Same ol sheeeeeit.
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That you will watch tomorrow. And bitch about tomorrow. Again and again and again.

If your watching a feud just to see who "won" well then i guess wins/losses are really important.
 
remnant said:
That you will watch tomorrow. And bitch about tomorrow. Again and again and again.

If your watching a feud just to see who "won" well then i guess wins/losses are really important.
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I don't mean "win" like who literally WON the feuds. I mean who from those feuds got elevated because it was such a good program that the only direction was up? No one but Cena and Orton who've been on top for 5 years.

OK, no more bitching, I'll just join the Jimmies that believe everything is happening for a reason and the WWE has a plan. Great feuds, 4 star matches.
 
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JdFoX187 said:
Don't hide behind your fucking words, back them up. No one here hates the WWE and its booking for irrational reasons. We're all wrestling fans that would love to see WWE return to its heyday.

So let's examine what you posted.

Orton-Christian: Great heel turn for Christian filled with a shitton of inconsistencies. Orton gets a title shot because he's cheered for. Christian doesn't get one because...? Christian has to earn his after competing in several matches while Orton doesn't do shit, and doesn't have to defend the title until the PPV. Makes no sense.

Cena-Miz-Rock: How was this a good storyline? There were promos every couple weeks between Rock and Cena with Miz only showing up the last two weeks. That was one of the worst executed main events in recent memory to the point where the champion was a complete afterthought. Oh yes, also forgot that the next day, after getting screwed, Cena comes out bubbly and happy to make a match with the Rock for a year down the road. He says he doesn't care about the title, then enters the main event the following PPV and beats Miz. Again...makes no sense.

Punk-Orton: So you consider Orton demolishing, and heelishly punting each member of the Nexus to the point where Punk is by himself, and then beating said Punk at the PPV quality? Only to follow that up by beating Punk again on Raw and again at the next PPV. Where was there a storyline progression there?

The only feud that you listed that was even remotely halfway decent was Daniel Bryan v. Miz. So that's ONE feud since three years ago when Jeff Hardy left the company. Good storylines bro.

Of course, you'll quote this and say "your response is predictable" and leave it at that. Either defend your position, or don't bother posting. Throwing out some dumbass statement that there have been quality feuds, and then refusing to elaborate on that adds nothing to the thread.
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Hide behind my fucking words? You asked for a feud I thought was good, I gave you a list and got the predictable response.


blah blah Cena won blah blah Orton won blah blah it must have sucked. blah blah same old shit.

But fine lets break it down.

Orton-Christian: Great heel turn for Christian filled with a shitton of inconsistencies. Orton gets a title shot because he's cheered for. Christian doesn't get one because...? Christian has to earn his after competing in several matches while Orton doesn't do shit, and doesn't have to defend the title until the PPV. Makes no sense.
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Yeah Orton gets a title shot "unfairly" whatever the hell that means, but did Christian get swerved, did Christian fall to an interference? No. There is nothing heelish about a face getting a title shot. Christian losing the match, fair and square no run-in's, no screw jobs and then bitching is a heel move. Hence why he is a heel. There is no inconsistency here.

When Austin beat Kane for a title 24 hours after he won, did he become a heel? There is no grace period for being a champ, and it's well understood that teddy makes the matches on SD.

Cena-Miz-Rock: How was this a good storyline? There were promos every couple weeks between Rock and Cena with Miz only showing up the last two weeks. That was one of the worst executed main events in recent memory to the point where the champion was a complete afterthought. Oh yes, also forgot that the next day, after getting screwed, Cena comes out bubbly and happy to make a match with the Rock for a year down the road. He says he doesn't care about the title, then enters the main event the following PPV and beats Miz. Again...makes no sense.
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It was a good feud because they were able to move the focus onto the Rock nd Cena, and give the Miz a justifiable reason for being ignored. Miz left every show until WM with the upper hand, because Cena/Rock were so focused on each other. it cemented Cena as the top guy, gave more fuel to the "Everyone overlooks me" angle that Miz was working and the Rock got to cut good promo's. It was promo heavy but i liked it.

Punk-Orton: So you consider Orton demolishing, and heelishly punting each member of the Nexus to the point where Punk is by himself, and then beating said Punk at the PPV quality? Only to follow that up by beating Punk again on Raw and again at the next PPV. Where was there a storyline progression there?
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Are we forgetting that for weeks Punk had the Nexus destroy Orton? Punk goes after orton for shit that happened two years ago. Orton comes back and starts slowfully taking out every member of the Nexus. Punk has to hold the stable together as they panic and the 'E has a slow burn towards Orton vs Punk. Punk cut good promo's and had good matches at the time, and Orton is able to be the silent and precise killer that he does well. it's a feud that played to both of their strengths.

You didn't mention the IC matches. I guess you didn't watch those feuds and matches. What a shock.
 
Somehow I don't think remnant watched the WWE during the Attitude era if he thinks those mid-card title feuds built up anybody. 'Cause all of those guys are treated like a joke now and none of them are cutting promos or developing personalities that fans can get behind.

Drew + Kofi + Swagger + Ziggler = Trash

None of them had a meaningful story behind any of their midcard feuds even if they are considered crap now.

For an example of a good midcard feud, look up Matt Hardy vs. MVP for the US title.
 
UberTag said:
Somehow I don't think remnant watched the WWE during the Attitude era if he thinks those IC feuds built up anybody. 'Cause all of those guys are treated like a joke now and none of them are cutting promos or developing personalities that fans can get behind.
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Aw yes I forgot how effective the IC title was building up Billy Gunn and Jeff Jarret to legend status. The IC title are used to give some importance to midcarders,prospects they want to test and sometimes legitimize a midcarder into a main eventer, which the E' has done lately with the Miz and Ziggler . That's generally what's it's always used for.


We saw that tonight with Zeke.

Jin34 said:
I like how the main problem pointed out about the feuds completely went over remnant's head.
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Oh I get it. it just completely contradicts things he has said before, and it's a rather weak argument.

By his argument the Orton/Christian is a good feud. Christian has main evented 2 PPV's now. How many before this feud started? R-Truth was a lower midcarder for years before this recent feud with Cena, and now he just main evented a PPV? Is that a good feud?
 
Watched it at the local Buffalo Wild Wings(no more buying ppvs anymore!). I thought it was a decent/good ppv for what it was. Was able to get a couple 3 star matches and only 2 shitty matches(you know which ones WrassleGaf)..
 
Arguing about the WWE isn't worth anyone's effort.
At the end of the day, if you enjoy watching the same nonsense over and over again, watch WWE.
If you enjoy watching the same nonsense from TEN YEARS AGO over and over again, watch TNA.
If you want to watch something good, watch something else.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
lol I know. It's not like arguing at each other over who wins is going to do anything for anyone.
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Just like how making contentious statements and not backing them up isn't going to get us banned? If you truly believe that debating the legitimacy of wins on forums is pointless then stop making posts where you attempt to justify certain wrestlers winning and proceed to not respond to people who call you out on your bullshit.
 
If arguing over the WWE isn't worth any effort from anyone, why has there been an argument for the majority of the last page and why do people still argue to begin with?

A simple answer to people complaining would be to simply stop watching. You don't like the product nor do you like where it is headed so why bother.

You already know that the water is dirty, but you still drink it. Then you complain that the water is dirty.

I still find enjoyment in watching wrestling whether it be WWE, TNA, RoH, New Japan, etc. I enjoy it even more with a community/sub community like WrestleGAF.
 
Spirit of Jazz said:
Just like how making contentious statements and not backing them up isn't going to get us banned? If you truly believe that debating the legitimacy of wins on forums is pointless then stop making posts where you attempt to justify certain wrestlers winning and proceed to not respond to people who call you out on your bullshit.
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I think what people watch WWE for and what they get out of it is totally subjective. Angles are always open to interpretation. I think Liu Kang's wrong about the Christian/RKO program but I can see why he'd think that. Just like I can see why everyone here loves R-Truth when the guy does nothing for me at all. It's just all subjective.

Except for Daniel Bryan. He fucking sucks and I am glad this is the first time I've mentioned his name since he was let go.
 
dream said:
I think what people watch WWE for and what they get out of it is totally subjective. Angles are always open to interpretation. I think Liu Kang's wrong about the Christian/RKO program but I can see why he'd think that. Just like I can see why everyone here loves R-Truth when the guy does nothing for me at all. It's just all subjective.

Except for Daniel Bryan. He fucking sucks and I am glad this is the first time I've mentioned his name since he was let go.
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My point was that if he believes that debating over wrestling is pointless then he shouldn't be doing it, let alone posting things to rile other members.

Like I said I agree with him on some of his points, just when he says things like that there's no point at debating with him or taking anything he says seriously.
 
dream said:
I'm just glad we agree that WWE is better without Daniel Bryan.
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I don't understand. Are you just trolling or making a joke or something? Danielson's still in WWE. And I know you know this, so I really have no idea what you're trying for here.
 
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