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Jury finds Oklahoma cop not guilty in shooting of black man

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Bluenoser

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Fuck that.... this was one of those police shootings where I thought for sure, this cop is going down. Unbelievable how much they can get away with.
 
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Darryl M R

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Police departments obviously need more resources and protections to do their job. I'm glad we have an administration that will stand up for the police.

Sickening.
 
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The Greek Freak

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Nothing will change until cops and their loved ones suffer the repercussions of these actions wether they be legal, financial, or otherwise.

It's telling that outside of my hometown I feel safer bumping into a gang member shoulder to shoulder than I do walking on the other side of the street from a cop.
 
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Meciu

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This is simply surreal to me. What baffles me the most is this part - "(...) she fired her weapon out of fear (...)", What?! I'm not saying police should be fearless but for real? I'm speechless...
 
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Empyrean Heaven

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Admiral Woofington said:
Was it a jury of her white conservative Christian peers?
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There were three blacks on the jury, which makes things all the more sad.

Meciu said:
This is simply surreal to me. What baffles me the most is this part - "(...) she fired her weapon out of fear (...)", What?! I'm not saying police should be fearless but for real? I'm speechless...
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The defense's primary argument was that Crutcher was not following commands and due to the fact he was on PCP was therefore prone to violence, and therefore Shelby had to protect herself.
 
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The Greek Freak

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Meciu said:
This is simply surreal to me. What baffles me the most is this part - "(...)she fired her weapon out of fear(...)", What?! I'm not saying police should be fearless but for real? I'm speechless...
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Most cops in the u.s. are either military rejects who are excited to fight and shoot people, or complete cowards.

It's a bad combination.
 
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Crimson_Gold

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Crab said:
How does this happen, though? My understanding is that Oklahoma requires unanimity to reach a verdict. How did three black American jurors say nothing?
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The same way black cops in Baltimore could take people on wild rides in the back of police transport vehicles.
 
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Violence Jack

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Shooting a non-combative, hands-in-the-air person is murder plain and simple. The fact that he was on PCP doesn't mean shit, but since he was black, that meant she was going to get off because this country doesn't give a shit about us. I hope this woman's life is ruined for taking an innocent one, and the family gets every last penny they can out of the city.
 
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Mesousa

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She was always going to get off in a jury trial. He went towards his car, and lowered his hand in front of cops with their sidearms already drawn. That was damn near suicide by cop. All you had to do was line up them 12 and ask them would any of them take that risk in her shoes.

Fucked up scenario.
 
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Newt

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I'm seeing a lot of people mad at the cop, but personally I would be more mad at the jury.

Seems like the general population doesn't care, so of course the cops have no reason to change.
 
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Man-is-Obsolete

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Mesousa said:
She was always going to get off in a jury trial. He went towards his car, and lowered his hand in front of cops with their sidearms already drawn. That was damn near suicide by cop. All you had to do was line up them 12 and ask them would any of them take that risk in her shoes.

Fucked up scenario.
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The issue is he is unarmed so why even have guns pointed at him in the first place. Taze him if isn't cooperating, don't kill him. That's the problem with some police, their first instinct is to draw a gun on someone even if they are unarmed.
 
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tearsintherain

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Man-is-Obsolete said:
The issue is he is unarmed so why even have guns pointed at him in the first place. Taze him if isn't cooperating, don't kill him. That's the problem with some police, their first instinct is to draw a gun on someone even if they are unarmed.
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People think tazer guns are some sort of magical device that knock people out. A month after this Tulsa incident, in chicago, a man high on PCP was tasered multiple times during an arrest and still beat the shit out of a female cop. She was knocked unconscious and required reconstructive surgery.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ting-of-Chicago-Police-Officer-397152341.html

Most police departments are slowly phasing out the use of taser guns, they are ineffective in many cases and in other cases are actually WORSE than other methods of restraint, due to recent studies of the impact on the brain by tasers with long term negative impacts on cognition from taser hits (ie, future lawsuits).

If you watch the arrest video above, and the dashcam / heli footage from this Tulsa incident, the issue is imo less a question of "should cops shoot people they fear" and more an issue of police procedures during arrests. Everything is always constantly getting escalated, instead of focusing on de-escalation. Well, if you are always escalating things - yelling and screaming at suspects, going in undermanned, approaching them instead of letting things cool down, etc - then things are going to get to the gun shooting stage really quickly.

In places like NYC and LA you see police training now tends towards more de-escalating and defusing situations rather than the tense "us or them" mentality that still pervades 90% of US law enforcement jurisdictions.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Crimson_Gold said:
The same way black cops in Baltimore could take people on wild rides in the back of police transport vehicles.
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They're randomly picked, though! What are the odds of managing to pick three black Americans who were agreed with this verdict?
 
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Man-is-Obsolete

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tearsintherain said:
People think tazer guns are some sort of magical device that knock people out. A month after this Tulsa incident, in chicago, a man high on PCP was tasered multiple times during an arrest and still beat the shit out of a female cop. She was knocked unconscious and required reconstructive surgery.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ting-of-Chicago-Police-Officer-397152341.html

If you watch the arrest video above, and the dashcam / heli footage from this Tulsa incident, the issue is imo less a question of "should cops shoot people they fear" and more an issue of police procedures during arrests. Everything is always constantly getting escalated, instead of focusing on de-escalation. Well, if you are always escalating things - yelling and screaming at suspects, going in undermanned, approaching them instead of letting things cool down, etc - then things are going to get to the gun shooting stage really quickly.

In places like NYC and LA you see police training now tends towards more de-escalating and defusing situations rather than the tense "us or them" mentality that still pervades 90% of US law enforcement jurisdictions.
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I would still rather there be the attempt of tazing an unarmed man over killing them. A taser may have not even been necessary in this case. Which is why I agree with the latter parts of what you are saying. Finding ways to de-escalate a situation needs to be better trained and implemented. Pulling a gun on someone ratchets things up to 11 and may make an otherwise tame person "appear" dangerous.
 
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Empyrean Heaven

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Man-is-Obsolete said:
I would still rather there be the attempt of tazing an unarmed man over killing them. A taser may have not even been necessary in this case. Which is why I agree with the latter parts of what you are saying. Finding ways to de-escalate a situation needs to be better trained and implemented. Pulling a gun on someone ratchets things up to 11 and may make an otherwise tame person "appear" dangerous.
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They did taze him...

...at the same time they shot him.
 
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Zen Aku

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CrocMother said:
Being black while on PCP has been on the list for a looong time. It's like the classic excuse to murder a guy.
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Even Chappelle made a joke about that.

"That n**** was on PCP Johnson! I had to use necessary force! You saw him!"

Shit is sad but true.
 
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LoserMakesGood

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Beefy said:
Crutcher was found to have PCP in his system.

RIP Crutcher
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How sad is it that I read that as POC and didn't bat an eye. My brain interpreted it as he had black blood in his system so they killed him and I was just like yeah that checks out.


Another life cut short for no reason. stay safe out there gaf

fuck the jury
 
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F34R

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demigod said:
Disgusting how the jurors were in "tears". How the fuck do you find her not guilty but are in tears?
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Because they can't convict someone on feelings. They have to use the rule of law. They very well might have had the feeling/idea that they hate this woman, disgusted with what happened, wanted to convict her, but her actions did not meet the element of Voluntary Manslaughter defined by Oklahoma code 21(24)-711.

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They basically had to agree that a reasonable officer would fear for their safety in that scenario.
 
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Figboy79

Aftershock LA
Not even surprised.

At this point, I've stopped following these stories because I know the outcome already. I'm tired of being frustrated at the broken system. And I'm expected to smile and tap dance when I see a police officer walking towards me? Fuck that. I'm scared for my life, and with good god damn reason.

I smoke cigarettes occasionally, but do you think my porn history will prove I'm no angel? I do love me some interracial adult entertainment...

Although, my wife being white is probably reason enough to get a bullet in my black ass. The shade that gets thrown our way when we walk down the street could blot out the sun.

RIP to the latest victim. I could set my watch by how consistent juries are in these cases.
 
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Rest

All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Breads said:
It's not about race it's about class.

Another victim to the US's largest most powerful gang.
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There are three things in the US that define class, and race is one of them.
 
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The Wraith

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At this point it's just heartbreaking how backwards this country is. HOW THE FUCK CAN ANYONE JUSTIFY THIS MURDER?! I hope the jurors rot in fucking hell. Racist pieces of shit.
 
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Galactic Barret

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NBA's Marc Jackson:

Hand down? Man down.
Hands up? So what?

I don't need my cops to be Superhuman, but they shouldn't be afraid of black people just because they're black, either.
 
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Chie Satonaka

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What do you do when there's no justice?

I'd really like to get some feedback from All Lives Matter/Peaceful, out of the way protests GAF, but since they're cowards, I'm not expecting much.
 
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PerkeyMan

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From the CBS 60 minutes interview: "His actions dictated my actions"

https://youtu.be/coXkSfqAR0Q?t=95

The part where the narrator talks about how "she isn't trained to shoot people in the leg" is just absolutely ridiculous. It's like they're not allowed to act upon common sense depending on the situation.

"I'm threathened so now I'm justified to shoot him in the center of the body"

Idiots.
 
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Verelios

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Shit, I'm always hoping for Alien overlords to come enslave humanity because I'd be the first one at their freaking door welcoming them in.

This country is bunk.
 
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old

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Another article http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jury-acquits-tulsa-officer-shooting-death-terence-crutcher-n761206

"Shelby was among the officers who responded to reports of a stalled SUV left abandoned in the middle of a road just after 7:30 p.m. local time, prosecutors said."
So when the fuck did we start allowing cops to respond like it's a war zone to a broke down car on the highway? Literally just came across a parked car on the highway and already treated the black man like he was criminal.

"Police said Crutcher approached the vehicle but failed to listen to commands from officers. Shelby asked Crutcher if the car was his, but only mumbled to himself and didn't respond, according to an affidavit.
So the guy did nothing wrong. Was doing nothing wrong. Yet the cop saw need to bark orders? And not following them gave her a license to kill?

The jury found that the act of him reaching into his car justified her assuming he was reaching for a weapon. Thus justifying her murdering him. Did the jury ever stop to think that maybe she was racist to assume that a black man reaching somewhere meant he was reaching for a weapon? Did they consider that maybe she was racist to assume a black man was a threat to her when he did nothing to threaten her?
 
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Mael

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At this point if you're black and you encounter a cop,
if things start to go south don't put your hands in the hair, just pray :/.
 
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theignoramus

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F34R said:
That's a ridiculous assumption without any real statistics to support it.

Try watching this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQCQFH5wOJo
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I recommend everyone avoid wasting their time watching this right wing concoction of distortions, fabrications, alternative facts and victim blaming. Shame on you for posting #FAKENEWS.
Now for a rebuttal to the nonsense you just posted.https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/07/11/arent-more-white-people-than-black-people-killed-by-police-yes-but-no/?utm_term=.f9d84ed7e3ba



According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.
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U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.
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Police have shot and killed a young black man (ages 18 to 29) — such as Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. —175 times since January 2015; 24 of them were unarmed. Over that same period, police have shot and killed 172 young white men, 18 of whom were unarmed. Once again, while in raw numbers there were similar totals of white and black victims, blacks were killed at rates disproportionate to their percentage of the U.S. population. Of all of the unarmed people shot and killed by police in 2015, 40 percent of them were black men, even though black men make up just 6 percent of the nation's population.
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And, when considering shootings confined within a single race, a black person shot and killed by police is more likely to have been unarmed than a white person. About 13 percent of all black people who have been fatally shot by police since January 2015 were unarmed, compared with 7 percent of all white people.

In response to these statistics, critics of police reform — often political conservatives and police unions — typically argue that the reason more black men and women are shot and killed by police is that black Americans commit more violent crime.
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The assertion that the black men and women killed by police are primarily violent criminals and the explanation for racial disparities in who gets killed by law enforcement is the premise of Mac Donald's new book, ”The War on Cops."

”Blacks are three times as likely to be killed by cops as are whites, on a per-capita basis," Peter Moskos, a former Baltimore police officer and criminal justice researcher at John Jay College of Criminal Justice told the New York Times last April. ”But part of that is because of crime in predominantly black neighborhoods."
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Despite these arguments, police reform advocates and researchers as well at The Post's own analysis has consistently concluded that there is no correlation between violent crime and who is killed by police officers.
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.... an independent analysis of The Post's data conducted by a team of criminal-justice researchers concluded that, when factoring in threat level, black Americans who are fatally shot by police are no more likely to be posing an imminent lethal threat to the officers at the moment they are killed than white Americans fatally shot by police.


The study also sought to answer whether officers were more likely to shoot and kill someone who is unarmed if the shooting happened to occur in a high-crime area. They concluded that is not the case.

”The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black," said Justin Nix, a criminal-justice researcher at the University of Louisville and one of the report's authors, said in April. ”Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed."
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Ill say it again for the people in the back:


The study also sought to answer whether officers were more likely to shoot and kill someone who is unarmed if the shooting happened to occur in a high-crime area. They concluded that is not the case.

”The only thing that was significant in predicting whether someone shot and killed by police was unarmed was whether or not they were black," said Justin Nix, a criminal-justice researcher at the University of Louisville and one of the report's authors, said in April. ”Crime variables did not matter in terms of predicting whether the person killed was unarmed.
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