That is fucking hilarious
Just got a camera ticket
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Chezzymann
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Wait, why would turning right on a red light be illegal? Am I missing something?
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Yes, you're missing reading the thread where this question has been answered.
In New York it two flashs. One if your rolling up to a red sufficiently quickly and the next if you actually blow it. Makes it almost impossible to argue them but it's only $50 and no points unless you where also speeding or something.
BigJonsson
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It really depends where you live, up here the owner of the car gets the ticket but it doesn't affect insurance
Chezzymann
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I usually just skim through a thread when it already has 100+ replies. I think thats pretty reasonable.
Not all roads allow right on red
In my state, you legally don't have to pay a ticket unless served by an officer. They rely on people just paying it. Apparently they will eventually try to serve you, but if you can dodge that then you're good. I got nailed by one of those road side van things for going 10 over down a real steep hill, total trap, they must be making a killing. That was about a year ago, and as far as I know, no one has tried to serve me, if they did, they didn't try very hard. Might want to look into your local laws.
The debate over the legality and effectiveness of traffic light cameras in some areas is growing. In some situations, when people are aware of the camera, when they hit a yellow light, they'll slam on their brakes instead of going through, sometimes causing an accident. I personally don't think its ethical for a state to be able to milk it's citizen's money in such a way. If the state thinks I did something wrong, I don't think a camera connected to a computer should be one deciding whether or not I did something wrong.
The debate over the legality and effectiveness of traffic light cameras in some areas is growing. In some situations, when people are aware of the camera, when they hit a yellow light, they'll slam on their brakes instead of going through, sometimes causing an accident. I personally don't think its ethical for a state to be able to milk it's citizen's money in such a way. If the state thinks I did something wrong, I don't think a camera connected to a computer should be one deciding whether or not I did something wrong.
G. N. Arly
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If the camera flashed before you continued on your right turn wouldn't that mean the picture taken of you would show nothing of your *actual* offence and, instead, just show you a little bit on the cross-walk? Bummer if the rule IS as stingy as "crossing the crosswalk before a complete stop", though. Did a copy of the actual picture come with the ticket?
On the bright side there's a possibility that the ticket is only money. I've heard those things don't dock any marks off of your license or your insurance. Might want to check on your state, though.
On the bright side there's a possibility that the ticket is only money. I've heard those things don't dock any marks off of your license or your insurance. Might want to check on your state, though.
Because he was "blinded" by the light.
lol oh yeah
You may be able to fight this as an invasion of privacy. Cameras can see inside of your car, which is an invasion of privacy.
There's actually precedent too. A judge around here just ruled against the city that had cameras installed and forced them to repay back a good 2 million they got from tickets. Cameras aren't considered legal.
Though, I can't say what you did was smart or not illegal. But I'm not so much a fan of big brother.
There's actually precedent too. A judge around here just ruled against the city that had cameras installed and forced them to repay back a good 2 million they got from tickets. Cameras aren't considered legal.
Though, I can't say what you did was smart or not illegal. But I'm not so much a fan of big brother.
LOL, installs windows, complains people can see in.
Tesseract
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the camera is showing prior intent by biasing human based beings who speed the distance per time too blazers inside heaps of hulking adamontonium. moreovers, the cameras' photographs taking absorbed photons particle beams 10^- speeds too slow to be an accurately measurable source of good proof.
say this to a judge's dishonorable face and be free, speed demon
say this to a judge's dishonorable face and be free, speed demon
Thanks to those offering advice and others not just assuming the worst. Dodging and hidind is not good for my psyche so unless I can see a judge inclined to be lenient I'll just pay the fine. My brother tells me that they offe payment plans.
As to the negativity. Yes, my imediate reaction was stupid, but it was a reaction to the flash. If there hadn't been a flash I wouldn't have freaked. But I think some of the judgement here goes further in assuming I would have mowed down pedestrians. I'd like to clarify that the cross walk was clear and I saw that from good distance. Even so, knowing if there was a pedestrian I certainly would not run them down to save myself.
As to the negativity. Yes, my imediate reaction was stupid, but it was a reaction to the flash. If there hadn't been a flash I wouldn't have freaked. But I think some of the judgement here goes further in assuming I would have mowed down pedestrians. I'd like to clarify that the cross walk was clear and I saw that from good distance. Even so, knowing if there was a pedestrian I certainly would not run them down to save myself.
I'm glad (not because I endorse disobeying traffic laws) that the cameras in my city were deemed unconstitutional or something and had to be deceommissioned because of it. Automated law enforcement is just a line I'd rather we didn't cross. If for no other reason then they have no clue who is actually piloting the vehicle in question.
Don't lend the car to people you don't trust to pay their own fines, and report it missing or stolen as soon as you realise.
The point is they shouldn't be able to be able to issue a ticket to the vehicle owner at all anyway because there is almost absolutely no way to actually determine with 100% certainty who was driving the vehicle, which is why they were banned (to my knowledge) in Missouri.
The point is, owning a car means being responsible for it. Worried about someone going out and speeding? Don't lend your car. The ticket should just accrue to the car, and the registered owner can worry about it if they lent it to someone else.
tensuke
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Cars don't drive themselves so the ticket has to go to the driver. If there's no way to prove who the driver is, there should be no legal context to give the ticket to anyone. If the state wants to fine someone for breaking the law they're gonna need proof that person broke it.
Meh, I disagree. Yeah, US Constitution etc. I don't really care about that, I am talking about in general, in other countries (like the one I live in) and universally.
Shotgun Kiss
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I got caught by a speed camera recently. I was doing 35mph in a 30mph zone. I probably slowed down too late when entering it/sped up too early when leaving it.
I have to attend a 4-hour speed-awareness course, and pay £86 (about $150) to do so.
But at least I'm willing to admit that I was in the wrong, and accept the consequences.
Running a red light is much worse. And you did that BEFORE you were blinded, so the flash is irrelevant. And as other people here have mentioned, continuing driving when you were blinded was dumb, and an entirely separate offense. If that happens, you should slam on the brakes.
Suck it up and pay whatever you need to.
I have to attend a 4-hour speed-awareness course, and pay £86 (about $150) to do so.
But at least I'm willing to admit that I was in the wrong, and accept the consequences.
Running a red light is much worse. And you did that BEFORE you were blinded, so the flash is irrelevant. And as other people here have mentioned, continuing driving when you were blinded was dumb, and an entirely separate offense. If that happens, you should slam on the brakes.
Suck it up and pay whatever you need to.
Meh, All I know is the roads they put these cameras on in KCMO are much safer now than they were before they were placed. You can actually TELL when there's no more cameras on the roads ahead, because once you get beyond the last camera, traffic speed increases like 30% and people start going crazy again.
Last I checked those cameras are still up here in Kansas City. And I find this logic faulty as hell anyway, because that would mean all those tolls I received last year by mail when we went on vacation in a rental car should just be thrown out because they cannot prove after the fact which driver on the rental contract was operating the vehicle at the time? Or even if anyone on the contract at ALL was the driver?
C'mon now, this is ridiculous. Sounds like bad drivers mad because cameras are eating their lunch.
Brilliant use of taxpayers money, how much does each cam cost?
Be responsible for it sure. Being responsible for your car doesn't include paying a ticket your government issues when it cannot tell WHO was driving.
I'm out. I seriously can't believe there's so many people ok with the idea of remote ticketing for a crime/moving violation regardless of who it actually was.
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Skim 2 pages..? Pretty unreasonable. I read every post in a 40 page thread. l2forum
While the camera suck, this is just not an excusable defense. You could have killed someone if you were truly "blind" at the time
sixteen-bit
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Did this happen in Florida?
NuffDREW4two
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Ten years ago I was picking up tacos on the way to a friend's place. Of course, I got a $109 speeding ticket. Had I not gone for tacos, I would not have gone along the road that had a speeding trap. I consider those tacos the most goddam expensive tacos I've ever eaten.
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Yeah this is why I chopped off my hands and feet too. You never know.
POWERSPHERE
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Let me get this straight, the cameras flash went off because you were running a red light but it's the flash that made you run the red light? You must be a Timelord.
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The camera takes a picture of you on your approach first to verify your location. It is essentially assuming you are going to run it and in essence giving you a warning. If you stop before you turn (or if there's a line, before the line usually), you're fine. However, in this case, the op kept going and so he is not fine. He's fined.
jim-jam bongs
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The police can't be everywhere, and I would rather there be fewer people driving recklessly on the roads I share with them. In Florida a camera ticket doesn't affect insurance or cost you points off your license, so who gives a shit who was driving? If you lent someone your car then ask them to pay it.
The owner of the vehicle is reponsible for what people do with the vehicle if he lends it out. Simple as that.
spandexmonkey
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In TN you can pay the fine online, but they also give you a link to a 30 second video clip of you running the red. My boss got slapped with a fine a while back, he swore he stopped before turning right on red, then we saw the video. He didn't stop.
Pet peeve of mine, but I absolutely loathe this line of reasoning, and it makes me seethe every time I see it brought up. The person stopping at a yellow light so as not to run the red isn't causing the accident, it's the idiot following too closely behind them and/or not paying attention who's causing the accident by slamming into them.
I still remember what it was like driving before red light cameras became as common as they are now, when people would blatantly run a red that had turned several seconds ago. Anything that cuts down on that is fine by me.
LBTRecords
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I'll share my experience with GAF, don't get mad. One time 230 am in the morning, I was doing 120km in a 60 zone. I was approaching a green light and it turned yellow, in my mind I said screw I'm I'm running it as I was still a distance off. Before I even crossed the white line the light turned red. As I flew through the light I was greet by the red light cameras flashing light. Distraught, I went home to set aside 200 dollars for the ticket. 3 years later, I still haven't received the ticket in the mail. I even called the ministry to check if I had any outstanding ttickets. My theory is that I was flying so fast that I past the point of visibility of the camera or that I was going so fast all I left was a blur of car.
One of my friends posted this to facebook and it reminded me of this thread.
Perhaps it would be useful?
http://www.minds.com/blog/view/2571...-enforced-speeding-ticket-or-red-light-ticket
Perhaps it would be useful?
http://www.minds.com/blog/view/2571...-enforced-speeding-ticket-or-red-light-ticket
jim-jam bongs
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The guy who wrote that sounds like a massive fuckwit.
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