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[Warm Machine]

I got them at Virgin Megastore in Vancouver.

The major compaint I hear about Second Sight is that its too easy. The major complaint I've heard about Front Mission 4 is that its too turn based. Any of this grounded in reality?

 

[Wario64]

How can a game be too turn based? Front Mission was always about turn based strategy. And if that's your thing, you should probably like FM4. It's worth it IMO

 

[belgurdo]

"Too turn based?"

FM4 is sllllooowww, but it's some of the best strategy gaming I've seen on the PS2.

 

[Warm Machine]

I guess they just mean the pace is too slow.

 

[XS+]

Second Sight owns. It's on my 2004's best list. It's much better than the similarly themed, but comparatively tepid, Psi-Ops. Second Sight's only shortcoming is its difficulty; it isn't very challenging.

 

[aparisi2274]

FM4 was awesome, but once u get about half way through the battles can take like 30mins to finish. it takes forever to finish that game.

 

[Warm Machine]

Second Sight owns. It's on my 2004's best list. It's much better than the similarly themed, but comparatively tepid, Psi-Ops. Second Sight's only shortcoming is its difficulty; it isn't very challenging.

Can I crank the difficulty on it? Is there an equivalent to Heroic or Legendary?

 

[Kiriku]

I don't get it, you pick up the games and then ask questions about them? Why not start playing the games instead and find out for yourself?

 

[Wario64]

I don't get it, you pick up the games and then ask questions about them? Why not start playing the games instead and find out for yourself?

Because he still has a chance to return them

 

[Warm Machine]

Because I bought them and haven't had a chance to play them yet as I'm at work. I can always return them as well as they are unopened. Besides, I haven't heard much talk about either game, which is worrying. I actually bought 2 copies of FM4. One for a Secret Santa present for another person.

 

[Kiriku]

Because he still has a chance to return them

OK, I'll buy that. For NOW!

 

[Belfast]

FM4 is an excellent strategy game. Battles take a long time, but I love the detail of the landscapes. Like in the city battles, it actually feels like you're fighting in a large-scale city. Still, its more linear than FM3 and though you can customize your units, there are most certainly parts that are meant to go together and there's not too much wiggle room to get out of that because of the weight restrictions. Still, fun game, and worth at least 20 bucks.

 

[mrkapawutzis]

I just recently started to play FM4 again after having abandoned it for several months and I'm enjoying it just as much as when I last played it. It's true the battles are slow and take a lot of time to complete, but the strategy that the game forces you to employ makes up for the tediousness.

 

[explodet]

I'm afraid Front Mission 4 is going to be on permanent backlog thanks to all the games I got recently. I'm going to have to play it, and soon.

Was this considered a bomb? It's going for so cheap now, especially if it's $20 Canadian.

 

[Wario64]

I'm afraid Front Mission 4 is going to be on permanent backlog thanks to all the games I got recently. I'm going to have to play it, and soon.

Was this considered a bomb? It's going for so cheap now, especially if it's $20 Canadian.

Yep. It's $14.99 US at Best Buy. Didnt sell too well, still a decent game though

 

[MetatronM]

I picked up Front Mission 4 a couple days ago for $15. Haven't popped it in yet, though (papers and finals and whatnot).

 

[iapetus]

FM4 is largely great, if a little easy at times. I didn't think it was that slow, but then again, I have played Ring of Red...

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

FM4 is lightning fast compared to Front Mission 2...

 

[Docpan]

Second Sight sucks.

 

[dark10x]

Second Sight was pretty cool. Engaging storyline, enjoyable action, and nice presentation. It is, however, rough around the edges and some aspects feel sloppy/unpolished. Not AAA by any means, but a good time for $20.

 

[Crazymoogle]

FM4 is largely great, if a little easy at times. I didn't think it was that slow, but then again, I have played Ring of Red...

Ring of Red? Oh god, don't bring those memories back! What the hell was Konami thinking?! (Sadly, I made it half way through the game before the 3 hour no save mission finally broke my interest like a stick)

I find the comments about FM4 being slow kind of interesting. It is a trade-off at times, but generally I find the occasional trip to the equipment shop and a few training missions to be a lot faster and more rewarding than the massive skill/level building grinds on the fantasy side of the fence (ie: Disgaea).

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

FM4 is lightning fast compared to Front Mission 2...

Which is a scary thought. Liked it, but FM3 just worked better; people are commenting on 30 minute battles, I was at times literally running out of ammo completely on hour+ long matches. This in and of itself isn't wrong, but it created a bad precedent: if you screwed up, you wouldn't really be "checkmated" for many, many turns later as you are just ground down rather than wiped off the planet. I'd much rather it be like the prequel and punish you promptly for me screwing up rather than have me go forever then retry.

Also, I didn't really care for the villians; too cardboard. I missed the pot-boiler personalities of FM3.

Overall a good time, but very much so not perfect. 7.5

 

[PC Gaijin]

Did FM4 improve on the enemy AI of FM3? What I mean is that in FM3 you could clear pretty much any map by creeping around, attacking enemies one at a time while staying out of the "zone" of other enemies (the area where they would notice you). I swear, the enemies in FM3 just sat there while I gang-raped their comrades five squares away.

 

[Diomedeskun]

Did FM4 improve on the enemy AI of FM3? What I mean is that in FM3 you could clear pretty much any map by creeping around, attacking enemies one at a time while staying out of the "zone" of other enemies (the area where they would notice you). I swear, the enemies in FM3 just sat there while I gang-raped their comrades five squares away.

AI is only marginally better, but it is much more powerful due to the brutal link combos they are set into. Still, individually, they are about as intelligent as a goomba in Super Mario Brothers. They can, however, heal with backpacks now (they still never use items to heal though)

Unlike FM3, FM4 is actually occasionally challenging. It is still pretty far from hard, but I never lost a fight in Emma's quest in FM3, while FM4 would occasionaly put up quite a fight. Planning good link combos is great fun too. In every way but story/characters I prefer FM4 (actually, 3 gave you far more freedom with the wanzer customiztion too, as 4 has rather limited parts and the most expensive parts are almost always the best, but the skill customization partly makes up for this and you can occasionaly make some very cool and original Wanzers).