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[xsarien]

I'm excited about paying something like Resident Evil 4, I'm super happy the game has taken a turn, I've always loved the franchise and it sounds like they've made the best one ever. Part of the reason I haven't opened it yet is that it's not online. I go home and there's my massively large stack of games and I tend to pick the ones that I know my friends are paying that night. Sooner or later I'll get to RE4 because it's brilliant, but it's not drawing me the way it should.

I thought I've seen some stupid shit get spread around - especially this generation - but this manages to take home the booby prize.

Not playing Burnout 2 because it isn't online, and instead opting for Burnout 3 because it is online is a valid statement. Playing Halo 2 instead of Mario Brothers isn't showing a preference for online, it's showing a preference for a completely different genre.

As much as online gaming's gotten off the ground in this particular cycle, it's not going to mean the evaporation of single player experiences. So unless Ken's also going to come out and say that he also just hasn't gotten around to playing Fable or Sudeki, he's taking an obvious - and petty - shot across Nintendo's bow. Which would be fine, because sniping between the three console makers seems to be the norm, but, you know, at least make sure it's in fucking CONTEXT.

 

[norinrad21]

How is Nintendo going to get a third of the console market?

:lol :lol :lol

I'm impressed - an Xbox guy not throwing shit on Nintendo and Sony. Pretty cool interview, I really think next gen will split 33%/33%/33%.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[rastex]

I thought I've seen some stupid shit get spread around - especially this generation - but this manages to take home the booby prize.

Look at the context of his quote though, the next sentence: I go home and there's my massively large stack of games and I tend to pick the ones that I know my friends are paying that night.

So if your friends came over to your house, would you play Mario Kart or RE4? It's the same situation, gaming social situations are still far more "precious" than single player games because really, how often are all your friends playing at the same time enjoying themselves, whereas RE4 is never going to go away. He's not saying that RE4 should be online or anything like that, he's simply stating that despite how brilliant RE4 is, or other single player games, they take a back seat to hanging out with your friends (even online) playing with each other. And there's no reason why Nintendo shouldn't support BOTH possibilities.

 

[jarrod]

Man I hope Squarenix lets Quest do another Ogre game

We'll I'd hope so, that was the reason for buying them after all.

Ogre Battle Saga >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zodiac Brave Story

 

[gofreak]

Look at the context of his quote though, the next sentence: I go home and there's my massively large stack of games and I tend to pick the ones that I know my friends are paying that night.

So if your friends came over to your house, would you play Mario Kart or RE4? It's the same situation, gaming social situations are still far more "precious" than single player games because really, how often are all your friends playing at the same time enjoying themselves, whereas RE4 is never going to go away. He's not saying that RE4 should be online or anything like that, he's simply stating that despite how brilliant RE4 is, or other single player games, they take a back seat to hanging out with your friends (even online) playing with each other. And there's no reason why Nintendo shouldn't support BOTH possibilities.

Many would argue that there is little out there, currently, that RE4 should take a backseat to..

Also, with online gaming you can easily not show up. I appreciate if you've friends physically over you simply have to play multiplayer games, but with online things are different.

 

[Lord Error]

I honestly don't see how is Microsoft's gaming software output on Xbox any different than Sony's. They each have one huge franchize that can consistently sells millions of copies (Halo, Gran Turismo) and a bunch of more or less successful and more or less quality games that sell less than that. I think that quantitatively, Sony's output is bigger, actually, especially when you count in many games only released in Japan. Sony also has Socom, which is another pretty big, million selling franchize.

Microsoft also has a PC game division, though.

 

[The End]

If i was a billionaire, I'd buy Treasure, Eighting\Raizing, and Cave, and just give them ridiculous budgets to make shmups just for me.

 

[Rocket Punch]

If anybody believes half of what he's saying... This guy is the same guy that changed his tune as soon as he was hired by MS. Of course he's not gonna have good things to say about the competition.

Do you honestly expect him to praise a game in any other console but MS'? It's not gonna happen. I distinctly remember him claiming that Splinter Cell was better than Metroid Prime the winter they were both released. METROID PRIME. Utter lies.

 

[Rhindle]

Boy, some people are really stretching to find anything controversial in that interview. He's going out of his way to articulate why their approach is good without pissing on anyone else.

 

[bishoptl]

I distinctly remember him claiming that Splinter Cell was better than Metroid Prime the winter they were both released. METROID PRIME.

So what's the problem?

 

[Rocket Punch]

The problem is he lied. Metroid Prime is OBVIOUSLY the better game. Gamers with learning disabilities notwithstanding.

 

[rastex]

The problem is he lied. Metroid Prime is OBVIOUSLY the better game. Gamers with learning disabilities notwithstanding.

See people, this is what is referred to as a fanboy

 

[Redbeard]

Are you sure he said it's the "better game" and not the "better selling game"? I'd like to see a quote of that one.

 

[Rocket Punch]

See people, this is what is referred to as a fanboy

Aw, let me guess you just couldn't grasp the concept of playing a game differently that the norm? Or is it maybe because I chose to desagree with your wrong opinion? Ok then, I guess I am a fanboy.

 

[Legal Step]

look I'm not a fanboy or something by in my opinion ken lobb is an ass

 

[Rocket Punch]

DICE 2003: Ken Lobb Interview

IGN: What was your favorite game of 2002?

Lobb: For me, it was Splinter Cell. I mean with Splinter Cell, I scoped it before E3. We helped out. We sent a lot of technical support to the team. The team was just genius, but we scoped it early on as being huge. Luckily, it turned out even better than I expected it to be -- to the point where when I finally got the thing home and went through the final polished version, I was blown away.

The interesting thing to me about Splinter Cell -- and I told this to a few of my friends -- is that it struck me odd that I died playing that game more than any game since like the 8-bit days. But, what was funny is that I didn't care. Other games if I die too much, I'm going to start thinking, "Wow, this is out of balance, this is a piece of crap." With Splinter Cell it's like you keeping dying and you're like, "Oh, I know what I did wrong. I shouldn't have done that." Interestingly, I'm pretty sure I never stopped a game session on a death -- I can't guarantee that 100%, but I'm pretty sure. I would stop at a save point. So, I'd get to an area where I was stuck and I'd just do it over and over and over to pass it, until finally I'd get to a point and realize I was up too late and stop. That was a really good sign how the game is different from what I've been playing over the last few years.

Additionally, of course, the Live stuff impressed me. I already mentioned how I played that a lot. From the competitors, I really, really liked Metroid Prime. They nailed it. More power to the Retro guys. I really respect what they did. And, I really liked Ratchet and Clank. That was kind of surprised me. In reference to my game stock again, I got the game, played it for like 20 minutes, and put it in that pile and ignored it for several weeks. Then I pulled it out thinking I'd play it for like an hour and in, like, four days I beat it; basically I played nothing else. It was cool. You get a new weapon and you can go off and do something else -- it was a really good platformer.

 

[thorns]

From the competitors, I really, really liked Metroid Prime. They nailed it. More power to the Retro guys.

:lol :lol
tell me next time someone at sony/nintendo declares halo 2 was the best game of the year. nintendo fanboys are retarded.

 

[Paulokj]

Genious Sonoroty is other 1/2 party of Nintendo. =) (Ex - Enix members)

 

[Gaia Theory]

My summary of Ken Lobbs statements:

1)Nintendo
They make good games, I want more background story, but overall, they make and own the best IPs.

2)Sony
They have good third party relations

3)Microsoft
They created a good online community

He, in one paragraph, has summed up the problem with the industy. 3 hardware makers, 1 focused on game content, the other 2 focused on content delivery. As he put it, if third parties go full tilt on cross platform - Nintendo will be the victor, that is, unless RE4 being offline prevents you from playing it!!

 

[Redbeard]

Yeah that's great huzkee, now show me where he says SC is "better" than Prime...

 

[NexusEggy]

whether you hate Nintendo or not, I think we can all admit that Nintendo has the best IPs and if they ever go third party, they will do what Sega promised to do, to be the best Third Party Company ever.

 

[ghostface]

My favorite soft drink is Pepsi. I like it much more than <insert huzkee's favorite drink>.

OMG SHIT I AMZ TEH FUCKING LIAR SHIT BURN ME

 

[Gigglepoo]

Why was everyone jumping down Lobb's throat for his RE4 comments? He wasn't saying RE4 would be better if it was online, nor would it be better if it was on the Xbox. He was just stating a belief that many people who play online games share: when you're addicted to an online game, with a huge community where all your friends meet every night, it's hard to pull yourself away from that and play a single player game. Does anyone here read Penny Arcade? They've been saying for the past month or so that they (both of them) find it hard to play any other game because World of Warcraft has essentially taken over their lives. Does anyone think less of them because they can't pull themselves away from an online game? Lobb is a gamer and is enjoying the competitve aspect of some Live games, I don't understand why anyone made a big deal out of this.

 

[Shaheed79]

:lol :lol
tell me next time someone at sony/nintendo declares halo 2 was the best game of the year. nintendo fanboys are retarded.

Indeed they are. All of them and no one else. *Loads Riot Gun*

I got some ignorant Ntools to mow down. For the general cause of generalizing.

 

[PhatSaqs]

Man. Talk about overreaction :lol.

 

[teruterubozu]

Ken Lobb says a lot of things off the cuff so you shouldn't take a lot of things he says too seriously. He likes pushing buttons. I do agree that he's a little bit of a corporate whore though. I thought he would be a Nintendo lifer the way he sold his soul to NOA.

 

[Sho Nuff]

I'm not a particular Lobb fan one way or another, but I really do enjoy watching how his interviews make a lot of you wig out.

"SHUT UR HOLE KLOBB, U R NAMED AFTER THE SHITTIEST GUN IN GOLDENEYE ANYWAY"

 

[Axsider]

But from a first-party perspective, their stable is kind of small. When I look at that compared to what we're doing, where we're working on like 20 or 30 games at a time now, with all of them shooting pretty high, Sony tends to work on a smaller handful of games.

What a fu**ing bullshit! MS got nothing besides the Halo franchise.
SONY has a lot of great IPs!

cool! You know what they are working on now?

SONY Bend (former Eidetic) is working on "Syphon Filter: Logans Shadow" (PSP) and has started their "preparations" for Next-Gen (PS3)!

 

[Ghost]

What a fu**ing bullshit! MS got nothing besides the Halo franchise.
SONY has a lot of great IPs!

cool! You know what they are working on now?QUOTE]
SONY Bend (former Eidetic) is working on "Syphon Filter: Logans Shadow" (PSP) and has started their "preparations" for Next-Gen (PS3)!

He was talking about numbers in development not quality.

 

[funcojoe]

Lobb is the man.

 

[Axsider]

He was talking about numbers in development not quality.

Whoops! Well, then....!

 

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

Man. Talk about overreaction :lol.

No shit. I think some people are just looking for something to get pissed or go on a rant about. There's nothing controversial in the whole interview.



One mention of Ken Lobb or Rare and this place goes fucking nuts.

 

[sonycowboy]

No shit. I think some people are just looking for something to get pissed or go on a rant about. There's nothing controversial in the whole interview.



One mention of Ken Lobb or Rare and this place goes fucking nuts.

Well,

He did call out Sony's first party development, which I think has been shown to shame Microsoft's offerings. All they have that I've been able to find is Bungie, Rare, and the faceless MGS (minus EVERY sports dev team who were either laid off or sold off). If you're going to make that kind of a statement, I think it's only fair to call him on it.

 

[Gigglepoo]

In reguard to Sony's IP, I think K. Lobb's point was, if every single 3rd party game was on all three system's next generation, Sony would be in the worst shape. While they have some great teams under their control, like Insomniac and Incog, they don't have anything that could be considered a system seller. Bungie and Rare can sell systems. EAD and Retro can sell systems. Besides Gran Turismo, I can't think of any Sony titles that can sell a system.

Obviously, it doesn't matter because Sony has Square working exclusively for them. Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest alone are enough to win Japan.

 

[sonycowboy]

In reguard to Sony's IP, I think K. Lobb's point was, if every single 3rd party game was on all three system's next generation, Sony would be in the worst shape. While they have some great teams under their control, like Insomniac and Incog, they don't have anything that could be considered a system seller. Bungie and Rare can sell systems. EAD and Retro can sell systems. Besides Gran Turismo, I can't think of any Sony titles that can sell a system.

Obviously, it doesn't matter because Sony has Square working exclusively for them. Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest alone are enough to win Japan.

Clearly, you haven't seen Minna No Golf's power in Japan. That damn thing sells like nobody business. Naughty Dog has proven that they can sell their games worldwide, whereas Rare has not for quite a while. Rare, IMO, has a hell of a lot to prove as they haven't had a hit since GoldenEye. Sony has more million sellers worldwide than both Microsoft and Nintendo by a VERY LARGE margin. However, I do think that Sony has taken to "fill in the holes" of their system and allow third parties to do the heavy lifting. The result has been that Sony has consistently provided the greatest variety and depth to their library of any system. I don't consider that a weakness at all. And neither do their publishing friends.

 

[radrelic]

Clearly, you haven't seen Minna No Golf's power in Japan. That damn thing sells like nobody business. Naughty Dog has proven that they can sell their games worldwide, whereas Rare has not for quite a while.

Let's see Naughty Dog switch to brand new hardware in the middle of a generation.

Rare, IMO, has a hell of a lot to prove as they haven't had a hit since GoldenEye.

BANJO-KAZOOIE
DONKEY KONG 64
PERFECT DARK
BANJO-TOOIE
CONKER’S BAD FUR DAY

Sony has more million sellers worldwide than both Microsoft and Nintendo by a VERY LARGE margin.

So you're saying that Sony as a first party has more million sellers than Nintendo? Sales Numbers please.

 

[sonycowboy]

BANJO-KAZOOIE
DONKEY KONG 64
PERFECT DARK
BANJO-TOOIE
CONKER’S BAD FUR DAY

I was referring to the previous comment regarding Rare being a system seller (as GoldenEye was). If those are system sellers, then Sony has got dozens of them.

So you're saying that Sony as a first party has more million sellers than Nintendo? Sales Numbers please.

This generation and last generation actually, not for all time.

Just look for one of my >500k. It's pretty obvious. Then add in Europe where the GC is 8x behind the PS2 and Japan, where it's another 8x behind the PS2.

Here's a list from the PSOne vs N64 era
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INTENDO (19 titles)

N64 Nintendo Super Mario 64 5.94
N64 Nintendo GoldenEye 007 5.01
N64 Nintendo Mario Kart 64 4.80
N64 Nintendo Legend of Zelda 3.54
N64 Nintendo Super Smash Brothers 2.54
N64 Nintendo Pokemon Stadium 2.50
N64 Nintendo Diddy Kong Racing 2.50
N64 Nintendo Star Fox 64 2.40
N64 Nintendo Donkey Kong 64 2.33
N64 Nintendo Pokemon Snap 1.91
N64 Nintendo Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire 1.73
N64 Nintendo Wave Race 64 1.70
N64 Nintendo Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 1.63
N64 Nintendo Banjo-Kazooie 1.61
N64 Nintendo Cruisin USA 1.48
N64 Nintendo Perfect Dark 1.29
N64 Nintendo Yoshi's Story 1.10
N64 Nintendo Mario Party 2 1.10
N64 Nintendo 1080 Snowboarding 1.07
N64 Nintendo Mario Party 1.07



SONY (23 titles)

PSX Sony Gran Turismo 3.26
PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot 2 3.12
PSX Sony Gran Turismo 2 3.10
PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot 3: Wrapped 3.05
PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot 2.75
PSX Sony Spyro The Dragon 2.75
PSX Sony** Final Fantasy VII 2.45
PSX Sony Crash Team Racing 1.90
PSX Sony Twisted Metal 2 1.74
PSX Sony Spyro The Dragon 2 1.74
PSX Sony Syphon Filter 1.55
PSX Sony A Bug's Life 1.50
PSX Sony Spyro: Year of the Dragon 1.42
PSX Sony NFL GameDay 98 1.31
PSX Sony Cool Boarders 3 1.24
PSX Sony Cool Boarders 2 1.21
PSX Sony Syphon Filter 2 1.16
PSX Sony Jet Moto 2 1.14
PSX Sony Twisted Metal 3 1.14
PSX Sony NFL GameDay 99 1.12
PSX Sony Jet Moto 1.10
PSX Sony Crash Bash 1.10
PSX Sony Twisted Metal 1.08

 

[radrelic]

If those are system sellers, then Sony has got dozens of them.

So, what you're saying is that people will instantly buy a PlayStation system JUST for a Coolboarders/twisted metal/syphon filter type game? In my opinion, the only TRUE first party game that Sony has that's a system seller is Gran Turismo.

Here's a list from the PSOne vs N64 era
---------------------------------------------------------------------
INTENDO (19 titles)

N64 Nintendo Super Mario 64 5.94
N64 Nintendo GoldenEye 007 5.01
N64 Nintendo Mario Kart 64 4.80
N64 Nintendo Legend of Zelda 3.54
N64 Nintendo Super Smash Brothers 2.54
N64 Nintendo Pokemon Stadium 2.50
N64 Nintendo Diddy Kong Racing 2.50
N64 Nintendo Star Fox 64 2.40
N64 Nintendo Donkey Kong 64 2.33
N64 Nintendo Pokemon Snap 1.91
N64 Nintendo Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire 1.73
N64 Nintendo Wave Race 64 1.70
N64 Nintendo Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 1.63
N64 Nintendo Banjo-Kazooie 1.61
N64 Nintendo Cruisin USA 1.48
N64 Nintendo Perfect Dark 1.29
N64 Nintendo Yoshi's Story 1.10
N64 Nintendo Mario Party 2 1.10
N64 Nintendo 1080 Snowboarding 1.07
N64 Nintendo Mario Party 1.07



SONY (23 titles)

PSX Sony Gran Turismo 3.26
PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot 2 3.12
PSX Sony Gran Turismo 2 3.10
PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot 3: Wrapped 3.05
PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot 2.75
PSX Sony Spyro The Dragon 2.75
PSX Sony** Final Fantasy VII 2.45
PSX Sony Crash Team Racing 1.90
PSX Sony Twisted Metal 2 1.74
PSX Sony Spyro The Dragon 2 1.74
PSX Sony Syphon Filter 1.55
PSX Sony A Bug's Life 1.50
PSX Sony Spyro: Year of the Dragon 1.42
PSX Sony NFL GameDay 98 1.31
PSX Sony Cool Boarders 3 1.24
PSX Sony Cool Boarders 2 1.21
PSX Sony Syphon Filter 2 1.16
PSX Sony Jet Moto 2 1.14
PSX Sony Twisted Metal 3 1.14
PSX Sony NFL GameDay 99 1.12
PSX Sony Jet Moto 1.10
PSX Sony Crash Bash 1.10
PSX Sony Twisted Metal 1.08

Many of those PlayStation games are questionable as to if they're REALLY Sony first party games but whatever. Also, you should include GameBoy numbers as well because Nintendo's first party doesn't just work on consoles.


EDIT: One more note, I thought you said Sony's million sellers outnumbered Nintendo and Microsoft's by a "LARGE" margin?

 

[Warm Machine]

I can't disagree with what he is saying.

 

[Rhindle]

Both Sony and Microsoft have produced some terrific games this gen. They have generally been more willing to take risks and experiment than any of the theirs parties. You could make the reasonable argument that Microsoft's titles have been more important in pushing Xbox than Sony's have been for PS2. Enough with the lists already.

 

[Gaia Theory]

10 of those PSX titles can come off the list.

Sony has never owned Naughty Dog or EA and to my knowledge did not own Insomniac when they made Spyro. Of course, Sony never owned Square either, so FF VII can be removed as well.

Take those IPs away, and Sony's got... well, Gran Turismo (at least from that generation). Now they've got Gran Turismo and the Ico team.

 

[JJConrad]

I think we should make Lobb an honorary GAFfer. He already sounds like one of us, but can troll at a college level. To top it off, he gets paid for it! Oh, I wish I could be a fanboy for hire.

I'm partically impressed by how he turns the strength of each rival into a weakness. Granted, he cheated a little with Nintendo by outright saying so, but his Sony slur was awesome. His greatest moment was when he implied that MS' 1st party line-up was stronger than Sony. You can't really blame him, nor should you take him too sriously... its his job.



sonycowboy:
Your N64 list is missing Star Wars Rogue Squadron and Episode 1 Racer. I know you GIGANTIC list names them as Lucasarts, but they were published by Nintendo the same way SotE was.

 

[Agent X]

Let's see Naughty Dog switch to brand new hardware in the middle of a generation.

They did. After finishing Way of the Warrior for the 3DO in 1994, they switched over to the PlayStation and created Crash Bandicoot. Seeing as how that was a multi-million seller, and they were able to follow it up with three more multi-million sellers on the same platform, I'd say they handled that transition much better than Rare handled their own transition from GameCube over to X-Box.

Naughty Dog also began development on Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy for PlayStation 2 back in 1999, while they were still working on Crash Team Racing for the original PlayStation.

So you're saying that Sony as a first party has more million sellers than Nintendo? Sales Numbers please.

OK, let's consult this thread. Here's the first-party breakdown by platform:

PS2   GRAN TURISMO 3:A-SPEC   SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)        1-Jul  3,657,529   74,667    22,176      15,686
PS2   ATV OFF ROAD FURY       SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)        1-Feb  1,674,611   16,425     7,421       5,159
PS2   JAK AND DAXTER:LEGACY   SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)        1-Dec  1,663,027   26,403     8,947       7,483
PS2   SOCOM II: NAVY SEALS    SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)        3-Nov  1,421,545  151,293    59,688      52,250
PS2   SOCOM:SEALS W/HEADSET   SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)        2-Aug  1,417,742    1,252       528         482
PS2   ATV OFF ROAD FURY 2     SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)        2-Nov  1,327,222   91,875    31,735      17,367
PS2   JAK II                  SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)        3-Oct  1,118,590  164,673    59,300      36,744
PS2   RATCHET & CLANK         SONY COMPUTER ENT. (SONY)        2-Nov  1,023,541   49,024    12,773      10,820

XBX   HALO                    MICROSOFT                        1-Nov  3,939,102  152,976   106,231      63,886
XBX   HALO 2                  MICROSOFT                        4-Nov  2,678,624  900,927  1,777,697
XBX   HALO 2 LIMITED ED       MICROSOFT                        4-Nov  1,609,773  120,367  1,489,406
XBX   PROJECT GOTHAM RACING   MICROSOFT                        1-Nov  1,202,740   14,005     5,398       3,673

GCN   SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE   NINTENDO OF AMERICA              1-Dec  2,662,258  152,962    42,521      28,028
GCN   MARIO KART: DOUBLE      NINTENDO OF AMERICA              3-Nov  1,817,460   85,557    23,893      21,977
GCN   SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE    NINTENDO OF AMERICA              2-Aug  1,804,207  146,104    57,283      25,711
GCN   ZELDA: THE WIND WAKER   NINTENDO OF AMERICA              3-Mar  1,750,154  141,663    71,000      40,860
GCN   LUIGI'S MANSION         NINTENDO OF AMERICA              1-Nov  1,591,468   81,963    27,491      14,694
GCN   METROID PRIME           NINTENDO OF AMERICA              2-Nov  1,264,193   43,414    16,397       9,126

GBA   SUPER MARIO ADVANCE 2   NINTENDO OF AMERICA              2-Feb  2,394,087   83,179    23,808      14,692
GBA   POKEMON RUBY            NINTENDO OF AMERICA              3-Mar  2,287,667   63,664    24,582      15,281
GBA   POKEMON SAPPHIRE        NINTENDO OF AMERICA              3-Mar  2,062,681   54,840    23,790      14,786
GBA   SUPER MARIO ADVANCE     NINTENDO OF AMERICA              1-Jun  2,056,412    4,539     3,780       3,582
GBA   MARIO KART: CIRCUIT     NINTENDO OF AMERICA              1-Aug  1,999,393   69,795    18,339       9,597
GBA   MARIO BROS 3: MARIO 4   NINTENDO OF AMERICA              3-Oct  1,594,936  197,773    46,774      26,313
GBA   ZELDA: LINK TO PAST     NINTENDO OF AMERICA              2-Dec  1,333,120   28,789    12,769       9,187
GBA   POKEMON FIRERED W/ADP   NINTENDO OF AMERICA              4-Sep  1,270,398  285,988   157,613     142,514
GBA   YOSHI'S ISLAND:MARIO3   NINTENDO OF AMERICA              2-Sep  1,140,822   18,775     7,380       5,053
GBA   POKEMON LEAFGRN W/ADP   NINTENDO OF AMERICA              4-Sep  1,097,033  246,023   165,280     129,665

Nintendo is the winner if you lump both GameCube and Game Boy Advance together (as they're both Nintendo platforms). However, if you're just looking strictly at the TV-based consoles, then Sony wins.

Sony has never owned Naughty Dog or EA and to my knowledge did not own Insomniac when they made Spyro. Of course, Sony never owned Square either, so FF VII can be removed as well.

Sony sure as heck does own Naughty Dog. On the contrary, Sony has never owned Insomniac. I don't know what your point is about EA--they don't have anything to do with the Sony titles on that list.

 

[boutrosinit]

Part of the reason I haven't opened Conker yet is because it's not out.

That's some funny shit. I wonder if Kameo is still as crap as it was last time it was at E3.

 

[Timedog]

he never said RE4 was a bad game or that he wished it was online. It is not the type of game to be online really. He just said that he preferred online games. That is not a shot at anyone, that is him saying he would most of the time prefer to play online with friends. IAW-LOBB'S-P.

 

[Ryudo]

The problem is he lied. Metroid Prime is OBVIOUSLY the better game. Gamers with learning disabilities notwithstanding.

Okies, you opened the door;

1. MP has auto aim, so this game must have been a retards game.
2. MP isnt much of a stealth game.
3. Splinter Cell won the AIS GOTY and sold more copies.

See, its easy to be stupid..... I might go and play MP :lol

 

[DyersEve]

Well to be fair Metroid Prime did win GOTY in amost every major online site and magazine publication, while Splinter Cell got 7s and 8s in almost all its reviews. Hmm I wonder how it won the AIS GOTY.... hmmm I wonder.

 

[pilonv1]

Looks like huzkee didn't program his new Nintendo DamageControlbot Autoposter properly and its to post random quotes at the mere mention of the "N" word.

"Ken Lobb: Okay so Nintendo's strengths"

Huzkee: "Xbox is unprofitable. Ken Lobb is retarded. J Allard once sold poisoned milk to schoolchildren. Steve Balmer ate my dog."

Well to be fair Metroid Prime did win GOTY in amost every major online site and magazine publication, while Splinter Cell got 7s and 8s in almost all its reviews

Another chapter in GAF revisionist history I see.

 

[thorns]

Well to be fair Metroid Prime did win GOTY in amost every major online site and magazine publication, while Splinter Cell got 7s and 8s in almost all its reviews. Hmm I wonder how it won the AIS GOTY.... hmmm I wonder.

yeah right.. and what would those reviews be?
9.1 from gamespot
9.5 from IGN
5/5 gamespy
9/10 XBN
9.67/10 EGM
5/5 gamepro
95./10 OXM
9.5/10 1up
9/10 GMR

 

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yeah right.. and what would those reviews be?
9.1 from gamespot
9.5 from IGN
5/5 gamespy
9/10 XBN
9.67/10 EGM
5/5 gamepro
95./10 OXM
9.5/10 1up
9/10 GMR

You listed the scores for Pandora Tommorow, not the original Splinter Cell, which is the game being discussed here.

These are the actual scores Splinter Cell received:

GameSpot         8.6 out of 10     86.0% 
IGN              9.6 out of 10     96.0% 
Gamespy          95 out of 100     95.0%
XBN Magazine     8 out of 10       80.0%
EGM              9 out of 10       90.0%
GamePro          5 out of 5       100.0%
OXM              9.6 out of 10     96.0%  
GMR Magazine     9 out of 10       90.0%