[Kickstarter] Pebble - Smart Watch for Android/iPhone

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Don't understand the love for this. I love pulling out my phone and performing tasks with one or two clicks on a beautiful, large color display.

That's what modern mobile OSs are designed to do: be simple and quick. Futzing with buttons on a watch seems like a chore in comparison.

Also, what is the next step in this progression: a ring that you can tap so you don't have to access your Pebble so you don't have to access your smartphone?
 
Don't understand the love for this. I love pulling out my phone and performing tasks with one or two clicks on a beautiful, large color display.

That's what modern mobile OSs are designed to do: be simple and quick. Futzing with buttons on a watch seems like a chore in comparison.

Also, what is the next step in this progression: a ring that you can tap so you don't have to access your Pebble so you don't have to access your smartphone?

Yes but in the workplace, its not really acceptable to pull out your phone all the time. I just want to know who called/texted me by glancing down at my watch real quick, I'd find it a lot less disruptive
 
Don't understand the love for this. I love pulling out my phone and performing tasks with one or two clicks on a beautiful, large color display.

That's what modern mobile OSs are designed to do: be simple and quick. Futzing with buttons on a watch seems like a chore in comparison.

Also, what is the next step in this progression: a ring that you can tap so you don't have to access your Pebble so you don't have to access your smartphone?

The watch gives alot of information when your hands aren't free. For instance with running , you can glance at your watch and get all the data you need , who called , what the txt message says , how many miles you've run , what time it is. Without the watch you would be fumbling for your phone which is either in a pocket some where (i doubt it with runners ) cliped to your waist or on an arm band.

My gf is ordering this after I pointed out that while she is in class teaching she can have acess to any important messages that come in whithout having to get her phone which she isn't supposed to acess while teaching
 
Don't understand the love for this. I love pulling out my phone and performing tasks with one or two clicks on a beautiful, large color display.

That's what modern mobile OSs are designed to do: be simple and quick. Futzing with buttons on a watch seems like a chore in comparison.

Also, what is the next step in this progression: a ring that you can tap so you don't have to access your Pebble so you don't have to access your smartphone?
While I may not agree with the words you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it!
  1. Plenty of people are interested in having a cool watch to begin with
  2. It's faster to tap something on your wrist than to get out your phone and do the same
  3. For certain tasks, like changing songs while exercising, it's both more convenient and logical to be using physical buttons than a touch screen
  4. There's no "next step"; this is the best iteration so far of the "smartwatch" concept, which there is a niche for. I don't think the same could be said for smartrings.
 
I guess this means kickstarter has reached the tipping point. If you go the the Kickstart blog they have a breakdown of the previous all time #1's. The tiktok ipod nano watch held the record for biggest kickstarter for 441 days with $942,578. On the day the record finally fell and the $1 million barrier was breached not once but twice; The Elevation iPhone Dock (which held the record for 6 hours) and Double Fine Adventure game. Since then there have been 4 other million dollar kickstarters (Order of the Stick Comicbooks, Shadowrun Returns, Wasteland 2 and the aforementioned Pebble.

Is this just a blip or has the game really changed?
 
Don't understand the love for this. I love pulling out my phone and performing tasks with one or two clicks on a beautiful, large color display.

That's what modern mobile OSs are designed to do: be simple and quick. Futzing with buttons on a watch seems like a chore in comparison.

Also, what is the next step in this progression: a ring that you can tap so you don't have to access your Pebble so you don't have to access your smartphone?

What happens if your hands aren't free?
 
Don't understand the love for this. I love pulling out my phone and performing tasks with one or two clicks on a beautiful, large color display.

That's what modern mobile OSs are designed to do: be simple and quick. Futzing with buttons on a watch seems like a chore in comparison.

Also, what is the next step in this progression: a ring that you can tap so you don't have to access your Pebble so you don't have to access your smartphone?

The appeal to me is that its not trying to replace all the functions of the smartphone. it's not trying to outsmart the phone and pack in more features than it has advertised. it's just displaying some important info on your wrist if your phone is in the pocket or on a table somewhere else in the house. and it offers seemingly simple controls for music playback and not much else.

it appeals to me more by being a limited companion to the smartphone than trying to be more powerful and more complex.
 
As some sort of workout help alone this would be fun. It would be nice though to be able to switch everything off except the clock to get the most out of the battery.

The screen looks a bit cheap in the real life footage. I'd love to see it in the form of a traditional matte clock-face.
 
As some sort of workout help alone this would be fun. It would be nice though to be able to switch everything except the clock off to get the most out of the battery.

The screen looks a bit cheap in the real life footage. I'd love to see it in the form of a traditional matte clock-face.

What they need to do is to add solar cells in it. My current watch charges off the lights in the office every day so it never runs out.
 
Kind of like one, but it only supports Android 2.3 and newer. I have a modest Galaxy Fit with 2.2 but I'm really happy with it, so I don't plan to upgrade soon.
 
I only just started to check out the kickstarter site. The most attractive aspect is that most of the tech stuff is user oriented, often coming from personal necessities. I love the fact that most products are programmable and open source. Why? Because that is what people want!

What they need to do is to add solar cells in it. My current watch charges off the lights in the office every day so it never runs out.

Duh, didn't think of that.
 
What they need to do is to add solar cells in it. My current watch charges off the lights in the office every day so it never runs out.

Your current watch isn't running an ARM processor and BT radio. I suspect solar cells would barely put a dent in the battery usage.

That said, I think their decision to use a proprietary charging cable is a very poor one. Only downside to the whole concept, for me.
 
Your current watch isn't running an ARM processor and BT radio. I suspect solar cells would barely put a dent in the battery usage.

That said, I think their decision to use a proprietary charging cable is a very poor one. Only downside to the whole concept, for me.

They wanted to waterproof the watch which means the openings need to meet certain specifications. The only other thing they could have done was inductive charging which would be expensive.
 
They wanted to waterproof the watch which means the openings need to meet certain specifications. The only other thing they could have done was inductive charging which would be expensive.

Yea, I read that explanation on their site but I still don't understand how their custom solution is going to be any more waterproof than a standard miniUSB port. Maybe it'll make more sense when they show it off.
 
Yea, I read that explanation on their site but I still don't understand how their custom solution is going to be any more waterproof than a standard miniUSB port. Maybe it'll make more sense when they show it off.
I don't understand either, but apparently it is. They're working on pressure certification. Great selling point for a number of reason... sweat from a hard workout, rain, swimming, showering... I'm the kind of guy who is very likely to forget a watch if I've gotta take it off to go in water. :P
 
I don't understand either, but apparently it is. They're working on pressure certification. Great selling point for a number of reason... sweat from a hard workout, rain, swimming, showering... I'm the kind of guy who is very likely to forget a watch if I've gotta take it off to go in water. :P

As a swimmer, getting a full waterproofing certification might be the thing that tips me over the edge.
 
As a swimmer, getting a full waterproofing certification might be the thing that tips me over the edge.
It's already water-resistant enough to swim in, unless you're like a free diver:
Q. Is it waterproof? A. Pebble is now water resistant, at least enough to go swimming, run in the rain etc. You can fully submerge Pebble in water. We're working on getting the actual certification level settled (3ATM, 5ATM, etc). This is in response to your suggestions!
 
Your current watch isn't running an ARM processor and BT radio. I suspect solar cells would barely put a dent in the battery usage.

There is only so much room in there for a battery so the battery size can't be all that big. My watch can last 11 months on the internal battery without ever being exposed to any light. Surely they can either get it to last on daily usage and exposure, or at least the bare minimum of increasing the battery life dramatically before needing to recharge.
 
Woo New York Times coverage:
Kickstarter Sets Off $7 Million Stampede for a Watch Not Yet Made

NYT said:
Start-Ups Look to the Crowd

When Eric Migicovsky, an engineer, wanted to develop a line of wristwatches that could display information from an iPhone — like caller ID and text messages — he went the traditional route of asking venture capitalists to finance his company.

But he couldn’t even get a foot in the door, let alone secure any money for what he called the Pebble watch.

So he turned to Kickstarter, a site where ordinary people back creative projects. Backers could pledge $99 and were promised a Pebble watch in return.

Less than two hours after the project went up on the site, Mr. Migicovsky and his partners hit their goal of $100,000.

“By that night, we were at $600,000,” said Mr. Migicovsky, who is 25 and a recent engineering graduate of the University of Waterloo. “We went out for a beer to celebrate, went home and slept, and when we woke up, we were at a million dollars.”

As of Friday afternoon, nearly 50,000 people had pledged close to $7 million — and there is still two weeks left before the fund-raising window closes. (As of Sunday afternoon, the total had passed $7 million.)

Pebble is the latest — and by far the largest — example of how Kickstarter, a scrappy start-up sprouted in the New York living room of its founders three years ago, is transforming the way people build businesses.

Although the site first began as a way for people to raise money for quirky projects like pop-up wedding chapels, around-the-world boating trips and offbeat documentaries, it quickly expanded to include video game production, feature films and innovative new gadgets, like the Elevation dock, a sleek stand for the iPhone, or Brydge, which turns an iPad into a laptop resembling the MacBook Air.

The large amount of money that Pebble has raised — equivalent to what a young company would get in a second round of venture capital financing — also signifies a coming of age for Kickstarter.

“This year marks the year that we’ve seen Kickstarter enter the real world in a number of ways,” said Perry Chen, one of its founders. “At Tribeca Film Fest, there are a dozen different Kickstarter-backed films, there’s an installation at the Whitney Biennial that was a Kickstarter project and we just had our birthday party at a Kickstarter-funded restaurant.”

Much as the introduction of cheap Web services lowered the barrier to entry for people seeking to create a start-up, and as offshore manufacturing gave entrepreneurs a chance to make products without having to build a factory, Kickstarter offers budding entrepreneurs a way to float ideas and see if there’s a market for them before they trade ownership of their company for money from venture capitalists.

Mr. Migicovsky and his partners did not have to give up any portion of their company to the venture capitalists. They still own 100 percent of it.


“Kickstarter is already proving to be a viable alternative to starting a company the traditional way,” said David H. Hsu, an associate professor at the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania who studies entrepreneurship and innovation.

“You’re activating a user base that you know will be interested in your project,” he said. “Which, historically, has always been the biggest trouble for crowdfunding sites, getting traction and critical mass.” As Kickstarter prospers, other sites for financing through a crowd have appeared. There’s Crowdtilt, a service that lets friends contribute money for outings like a beach vacation; Zokos, a start-up that gives guests a way to pitch in for a dinner party; and Gambitious, a financing site devoted to indie game developers, to name a few.

But Kickstarter is the biggest. To date, it has raised more than $200 million for 20,000 projects, or about 44 percent of those that sought financing on the site. Only projects that meet their stated financing goals receive money.

Patrons who back Kickstarter campaigns are often rewarded with insider access to the projects they finance, and in most cases, a tangible reward for their money. In Pebble’s case, the reward is an actual watch, making it a more appealing project than, say, a movie, where the payoff is a little harder to show off to friends.

Kickstarter does not charge anything to set up a campaign. But if it is successful, Kickstarter takes 5 percent of the final amount. Amazon, which processes the payments, takes 3 to 5 percent.

Mr. Migicovsky says he suspected that the Pebble project might be a runaway success. “The plan,” he said, “was always to go big.”

Before introducing the project on Kickstarter, Mr. Migicovsky says he sought advice from previous successful project founders on Kickstarter, including the creators behind Twine, colorful blocks outfitted with sensors and Internet connectivity, that blew past its original goal of $35,000 to raise more than $500,000 — an anomaly considering that the average Kickstarter project size hovers around $5,000.

“They all told us not to focus on the hacker market because they are already going to love you,” he said. “But how can you tell people who have no idea what this is why they should back it?”

A carefully made video helped to earn the trust of their backers. Mr. Migicovsky also played up his four years of experience building smartwatches — previously for BlackBerry products — and his time polishing his ideas in Y Combinator, a technology incubator in Palo Alto, Calif. Mr. Migicovsky also worked to broaden the appeal of the watch beyond a tech-focused audience by working with a company called RunKeeper that helps people track their jogs on their smartphones.

Before approaching Kickstarter, he had tapped the know-how of Dragon Innovation, a team of production consultants with experience working on the Roomba at iRobot. But he ran out of money. He called them again after Kickstarter raised the first $1 million. The consultants at Dragon told him they had already noticed.

Although the most common projects on Kickstarter tend to revolve around film and music, the service has been particularly useful for new types of hardware products.

Traditionally, venture capitalists are skittish about putting money into hardware start-ups because it is so complicated. “Even at that scale investment and with a company that is very experienced taking a product to market, they hit pitfalls,” said Robert Fabricant, a vice president of Frog Design, a development firm that helps create products.

Mr. Fabricant, like others in his field, cast some doubt on the notion that it was possible to sidestep the traditional routes to building a business, particularly through a service like Kickstarter. They say young, inexperienced business people need advisers, mentors and a network of support to help them deal with the problems that can emerge. There is a big difference between a project and a product strong enough to sustain a full-fledged business, they say, and it is risky to confuse the two.

The founders of Kickstarter say they draw a firm line between a project and a business. “With the more consumer-oriented projects, we make sure it’s very clear backers know they’re helping build a project and they will get one as their reward,” said Yancey Strickler, another Kickstarter founder. “They are intended to be finite projects, but you do find things that start off with a small idea and grow into something quite large.”

But Gleb Polyakov and Igor Zamlinsky, two young entrepreneurs from Atlanta who are trying to create a full-blown company around a $400 barista-grade home espresso machine, say that risk is no different than for traditional small businesses.

“The terms on Kickstarter are more attractive than any bank loan or venture capital amount,” Mr. Polyakov said. “If you can get funding through Kickstarter, there is no reason not to.”
The article doesn't mention Android and incorrectly gives the impression that the Pebble will display text messages from the iPhone haha. Not that the Pebble engineers will mind; this is great coverage and will probably add another spike to their funding curve. Kickstarter is showing its worth not just as a fundraiser but as a marketing tool. That brydge is not the first/best case that turns an iPad into a laptop (and if you think otherwise I have a bridge to sell to you) and the Pebble isn't the first/best smart watch. They are just the first to catch fire on Kickstarter. There are real interesting times ahead for the service as we wait for the projects to deliver.
 
Pebble has received more than $8 million in pledges!

Pebble teams up with RunKeeper for its first app
TheVerge said:
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The record-breaking Pebble smartwatch might still have another 16 days to go on Kickstarter, but it already has its first software partner in popular exercise app RunKeeper. A blog post by the RunKeeper team says how excited they are over the concept of the Pebble, and that they see it as the perfect way to "make your fitness tracking easier" by letting you view details of your workout right from your wrist and linking into the app running on your Android or iOS device.

Pebble's manufacturer Allerta has previously described the watch as an app platform, suggesting that it's trying to attract a number of apps to its service, and it's pleasing to hear that a major developer like RunKeeper is already on board. RunKeeper itself is a big name, and its support could be a big draw for Pebble — the current RunKeeper app has over 6,000 reviews on the iTunes App Store, and millions of installs in the last 30 days alone on Android...


Does the Pebble Cause a Ripple in Apple's Waters?
John Battelle said:
Ever since the Pebble watch became an cause célèbre in tech circles for its kickass Kickstarter moves (it’s raised almost $7mm dollars and counting), something’s been nagging me about the company and its product.

It’s now Valley legend that the company had to turn to Kickstarter to get its working capital – more than 46,000 folks have backed Pebble, and will soon be proudly sporting their spiffy new iPhone-powered watches as a result. Clearly Pebble has won – both financially, as well as in the court of public opinion. I spoke to one early investor (through Y-Combinator) who had nothing but good things to say about the company and its founders.

But why, I wondered, were mainstream VCs not backing Pebble once it became clear the company was on a path to success?

The reasons I read in press coverage – that VCs tend to not like untested hardware/platform plays, that retail products have low margins, etc., all sounded reasonable, but not enough. In this environment, there had to be more going on.

Now, I don’t know enough to claim this as anything more than a theory, but it’s a Friday, so allow me to speculate: Perhaps one reason VCs don’t want to invest in Pebble is because they fear Apple.

Here’s why. If you watch the video explaining Pebble, it become pretty clear that the watch is, in essence, a new form factor for the iPhone. It’s smaller, it’s more use-case defined, but that’s what it is: A smaller mirror of your iPhone, strapped to you wrist. Pebble uses bluetooth connectivity to access the iPhone’s native capabilities, and then displays data, apps, and services on its high-resolution e-paper screen. It even has its own “app store” and (upcoming) SDK/API  so people can write native apps to the device.

In short, Pebble is an iPhone for your wrist. And Apple doesn’t own it.

If we’ve learned anything about Apple over the years, it’s that Apple is driven by its hardware business. It makes its profits by selling hardware – and it’s built a beautiful closed software ecosystem to insure those hardware sales. Pebble forces an interesting question: Does Apple care about new form factors for hardware? Or is it content to build out just the “core” hardware platform, and allow anyone to innovate in new hardware instances? Would Apple be cool with someone building, say, a larger form factor of the iPhone, perhaps tablet-sized, driven by your iPhone?

I don’t know the answer to that question (and doubt Apple would answer my call asking such a question), so I’ll toss it out to you. What do you all think? Is Pebble playing with fire here? Would Apple ever change its developer terms of services to cut the new company off?


Apple and Pebble
Daring Fireball said:
John Battelle:
Is Pebble playing with fire here? Would Apple ever change its developer terms of services to cut the new company off?

I think Battelle has a good point here, that one reason Pebble may have had trouble raising money from VCs is the fear that Apple might cut Pebble off at the knees. But I think the way Apple could most hurt Pebble is not by changing the SDK, but by releasing its own linked-to-your-iPhone wristwatch gadget. (Imagine, say, an iPod Nano with Pebble-like features and a LunaTik-style strap.)

Pebble is already hindered by the limited amount of interaction a Bluetooth device can obtain from an iPhone. E.g., it can notify you of incoming phone calls, but not messages or emails.
 
VCs scared of Apple? How does that even make sense? What in the world would Apple do to a Venture Capital firm for it to be scared of the company?
 
The idea that Apple could make their own and kill their market or severely limit the level of interaction between the devices might prevent VCs from investing.
 
I don't see how it's any different than any other Bluetooth display. My car can display the same kinds of info the Pebble does.
 
Does your car fit around your wrist?

Doesn't make any difference, it's using the same functionality. You can't turn that off for Pebble without breaking compatibility with every car stereo out there.

In other words, Pebble has nothing to worry about, IMO.
 
Doesn't make any difference, it's using the same functionality. You can't turn that off for Pebble without breaking compatibility with every car stereo out there.

In other words, Pebble has nothing to worry about, IMO.

Well, Apple could say take the iPod Nano, incorporate all this and have it linkable with an iPhone. That might hurt Pebble a bit.
 
Well, Apple could say take the iPod Nano, incorporate all this and have it linkable with an iPhone. That might hurt Pebble a bit.

Right, but that's just fair competition. I'm referring to this claim that Apple could remove the functionality Pebble is using.
 
Is there even a release date for this thing? Also hope the people wanting it for text messages have Android.
 
I'm surprised Apple hasn't reached out to buy them.

This actually fits so well with the simplification Apple loves.

Why buy them when they can just do it themselves? Apple has already been pushing the iPod nano as a wristwatch long before Pebble was introduced. They added 18 clock faces, sell watchbands for it, etc. http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/features.html#clock-faces

Allowing it to be a companion device to the iPhone was the next logical step. Pebble may have announced first, but Apple can execute it far better with deeper integration into the OS, Siri support, and lots more things.
 
The "this is our dream team" bit at about 0:20 has to be one of the most awkward things ever filmed.
holy shit you're right

i like the guy in the middle, not too sure if he should cross his arms, so he just holds them awkwardly.

but I can't deny the big guy's entrance is smooth as shit
 
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android/posts

Looks like they will enable Bluetooth 4.0 in a later software update.

10,000 more watches can be claimed as kickstarter prizes.

Retail watch will be $150.

All backers will get their watches before public sales begin.

Pebble will be available eventually for $150 USD from www.getpebble.com, but the expected delivery date will be well after the ship date of all Kickstarter backers.

:| should I jump in now or wait?
 
I didn't realize they could sell out. My fault for waiting I guess. I thought I had 9 days to decide.

They sent out an update a few days ago that they were capping production at 85K. They want to make sure they can deliver.

Sorry you missed out, that sucks.
 
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