Kirk Cameron: "Evolution is unscientific", atheism impetus behind school shootings

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ronito said:
It's the peddling of the false belief that only religious people can have morals.
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WOW!! And this is why I believe in Jesus and have faith in GOD, but don't care for organized religion.

People like this guy make Christians look bad. :(
 
mckmas8808 said:
So he has a black girlfriend? Is she hot?
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The only woman I saw was some really overweight lady sunbathing, which I assume was his wife. He is thin, so that's pretty strange. He must be a man of God! :lol

He likes em big!
 
UltimaKilo said:
The only woman I saw was some really overweight lady sunbathing, which I assume was his wife. He is thin, so that's pretty strange. He must be a man of God! :lol

He likes em big!
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I thought he got hitched with that Kate girl on his show.
 
It could be his mother.

Anyways, yah, I find most christians are stealth christians. You'd never really know they're bible thumping creationists unless the topic crops up.
 
UltimaKilo said:
The only woman I saw was some really overweight lady sunbathing, which I assume was his wife. He is thin, so that's pretty strange. He must be a man of God! :lol

He likes em big!
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meanwhile, Alan Thicke hooked up with Kristy Swanson when he was 40 and she was like 20 or less.
 
Could have been his mom, but from what I understand it was just him, the kids, and his wife. My cousin went up to him while they were chatting and it hit her "Wait a second, you are that guy from Groing Pains" and his wife responded "Oh don't remind him!" He could have at least nabbed a hot wife. I mean most of these religious preachers do. At least from what I've seen.
 
UltimaKilo said:
Funny thing is this guy vacations every year in the house next door to my aunts beach house. He never even mentions religion when you talk to him. Just a normal guy. It was surprising because I figured he would be like "hello, do you know about the word of God?"

He was at the beach house just 2 weeks ago with his kids.
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I think many creationist "activists", including most of the people who work at Answers in Genesis and other similar organizations, and people like Kent Hovind, don't really believe in creationism. Most of them have been exposed to too much literature about biology and paleontology to be able to deny common descent (at the very least). But, they've found a way to make huge amounts of cash by writing pretty much anything they like, without doing any research or real work, and they don't even have to be particularly convincing, because the tens of millions of people who buy their stuff will keep believing in creationism because it's a belief based on emotion, not reason.

The same is probably true of Michael Behe (the guy who wrote Darwin's Black Box). I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe his own "theory". He's a really sly one, though. He's walking a fine line between science and supersition. On one hand, when he's talking to real scientists he'll assure them that he accepts common descent, but on the other hand, when he's addressing creationists he'll spout crap about ID and irreducible complexity. By doing that he keeps himself from looking like a complete nut in the scientific community, but he makes oodles of cash by selling his books to morons. It's a pretty sweet deal.

Cameron is doing the same thing, except he doesn't care about being respected by the intellectual community, he's ready to do anything to fill his pockets.
 
The process of evolution is a scientific fact. The word "theory" when used in science means fact, kind of like f*ag used in England means cigarette. It's a science nomenclature that everyone else confuses with their own use of the word.

I think these creationists take a really awkward stance when they say it's false but what they really want to say is my soul didn't come from no damn monkey. I think the two can be distinguished, especially since we're only being compared to chimps based on a genetic similarity, something like 98.7% alike.
 
PhlegmMaster said:
I think many creationist "activists", including most of the people who work at Answers in Genesis and other similar organizations, and people like Kent Hovind, don't really believe in creationism. Most of them have been exposed to too much literature about biology and paleontology to be able to deny common descent (at the very least). But, they've found a way to make huge amounts of cash by writing pretty much anything they like, without doing any research or real work, and they don't even have to be particularly convincing, because the tens of millions of people who buy their stuff will keep believing in creationism because it's a belief based on emotion, not reason.

The same is probably true of Michael Behe (the guy who wrote Darwin's Black Box). I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe his own "theory". He's a really sly one, though. He's walking a fine line between science and supersition. On one hand, when he's talking to real scientists he'll assure them that he accepts common descent, but on the other hand, when he's addressing creationists he'll spout crap about ID and irreducible complexity. By doing that he keeps himself from looking like a complete nut in the scientific community, but he makes oodles of cash by selling his books to morons. It's a pretty sweet deal.

Cameron is doing the same thing, except he doesn't care about being respected by the intellectual community, he's ready to do anything to fill his pockets.
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Honestly, I don't see where the notion that you can't believe in God and evolution amkes any sense. These guys are just making people talk, and eventually having people pick up their books and pocketing the cash. And now the new thing I saw on a documentry was that the excuse was "God wants us to be rich" or "being rich is a sign that God is pleased with you." C'mon, if you really believe in the bible the way they say they do, they should give up all their things and donate them to charity just like the monks do.
 
PhlegmMaster: Well, no, as Mike Shermer says, smart people believe weird things because smart people are better at justifying positions they arrived at for non-smart reasons.
 
Hitokage said:
PhlegmMaster: Well, no, as Mike Shermer says, smart people believe weird things because smart people are better at justifying positions they arrived at for non-smart reasons.
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Shermer was talking about moderate believers though, i.e. people who believe stuff for which there's no evidence, but that's not contradicted by evidence either. No intelligent person who understands evolution can deny it. Well, there may be a few exceptions, like Kurt Wise, but they're practically non-existent.
 
DeathCabCute said:
The process of evolution is a scientific fact. The word "theory" when used in science means fact, kind of like f*ag used in England means cigarette. It's a science nomenclature that everyone else confuses with their own use of the word.
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True... kinda like string theory. or sorry String "Fact".


This thread name should really be changed to "HEY lets bash religion and anyone who doesn't Believe in what I believe in because they are retarded!!"

You'd be suprised how much you guys sound like the very people you are persecuting.
 
DeathCabCute said:
I think these creationists take a really awkward stance when they say it's false but what they really want to say is my soul didn't come from no damn monkey.
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Honestly I think this is the biggest problem with people not believing in evolution.
 
I went to one of these two-faced schools that shove so much "God" into the kids brains that it makes them crazy. While in fact teachers were ****ing each other and even for money. Some were ****ing the students as well and I could have been one of them!

Reminds me that Magic the Gathering cards were the "devil". So I got taken to the office while this Dr. Morrison (president of the school) lectured me. I got up, looked at the box of cards and said "the devil does not make these cards, Milton Bradley does." She was not very amused.

Also I remember one time us being in class talking about hell and who was going, when I raisd my hand and asked "so is Pope John Paul II going to hell?" and the teacher actually said yes. I laughed my ass off.

I was the one who lead the revolution in that school, becoming class president and prom prince just made the powers that be hate me even more. It would have been very unpopular to have kicked me out of the school. I left after my freshman year of HS though.
 
methane47 said:
True... kinda like string theory. or sorry String "Fact".


This thread name should really be changed to "HEY lets bash religion and anyone who doesn't Believe in what I believe in because they are retarded!!"

You'd be suprised how much you guys sound like the very people you are persecuting.
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So do you believe in the evolution?
 
UltimaKilo said:
I went to one of these two-faced schools that shove so much "God" into the kids brains that it makes them crazy. While in fact teachers were ****ing each other and even for money. Some were ****ing the students as well and I could have been one of them!

Reminds me that Magic the Gathering cards were the "devil". So I got taken to the office while this Dr. Morrison (president of the school) lectured me. I got up, looked at the box of cards and said "the devil does not make these cards, Milton Bradley does." She was not very amused.

Also I remember one time us being in class talking about hell and who was going, when I raisd my hand and asked "so is Pope John Paul II going to hell?" and the teacher actually said yes. I laughed my ass off.

I was the one who lead the revolution in that school, becoming class president and prom prince just made the powers that be hate me even more. It would have been very unpopular to have kicked me out of the school. I left after my freshman year of HS though.
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I met some people who believe in God and they liked to smoke crack and kill babies to make baby devil soup. I think religion is bad because of this. I'm smart.
 
methane47 said:
You'd be suprised how much you guys sound like the very people you are persecuting.
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There is a difference though: We're right, and they're wrong.


See, there's this thing called reality. The beliefs about reality that are true will have evidence in their favor. The beliefs about reality that are false will be contradicted by evidence.
 
UltimaKilo said:
I went to one of these two-faced schools that shove so much "God" into the kids brains that it makes them crazy. While in fact teachers were ****ing each other and even for money. Some were ****ing the students as well and I could have been one of them!

Reminds me that Magic the Gathering cards were the "devil". So I got taken to the office while this Dr. Morrison (president of the school) lectured me. I got up, looked at the box of cards and said "the devil does not make these cards, Milton Bradley does." She was not very amused.

Also I remember one time us being in class talking about hell and who was going, when I raisd my hand and asked "so is Pope John Paul II going to hell?" and the teacher actually said yes. I laughed my ass off.

I was the one who lead the revolution in that school, becoming class president and prom prince just made the powers that be hate me even more. It would have been very unpopular to have kicked me out of the school. I left after my freshman year of HS though.
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Man that sucks. Why did you have to leave? You sound like a cool guy going against the grain.
 
methane47 said:
True... kinda like string theory. or sorry String "Fact".
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Untestable things like string theory or membrane theory use the word "theory" in the colloquial; Theories (capital T used here for emphasis), such as evolution by natural selection, are hypotheses that have been confirmed repeatedly through research/testing/experimentation.
 
PhlegmMaster said:
There is a difference though: We're right, and they're wrong.


See, there's this thing called reality. The beliefs about reality that are true will have evidence in their favor. The beliefs about reality that are false will be contradicted by evidence.
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This guy does have a point though.
 
Alucard said:
Well, he is right about evolution being a theory. I don't think people do nearly enough research on the topic and simply jump on whatever area supports their personal ideology.
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Alucard, don't confuse hypothesis and theory.

Hypothesis is an explanation based on no empirical evidence.

Theory is a rational explanation based on empirical evidence.

Germ theory is just a theory too and I think we can all agree that viruses and bacteria cause disease.

The theory of evolution is based on an unprecendented amount of empirical evidence. To call it just a theory is actually a compliment I imagine but I'm sure that's not how you meant it.
 
gkrykewy said:
Untestable things like string theory or membrane theory use the word "theory" in the colloquial; Theories (capital T used here for emphasis), such as evolution by natural selection, are hypotheses that have been confirmed repeatedly through research/testing/experimentation.
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Yup, that whole field is referred to as theoretical physics for a reason. There's not much testable there. Since string theories (there are more than one) are designed to fit into and be consistent with theoretical physics systems, they still generally match the scientific definition of theory within their own closed systems.
 
UltimaKilo said:
Where was that and how long ago?
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I went to San Fernando Middle School, hmmm this was about... 5-7 yrs ago. I give a range because I saw him for all three years during PE but had him as my actual teacher for one year.
 
You know, evolution is one of the most robust and tested theories in all of science, but the ONLY reason it's not widely accepted in America, even in layman's understanding, is that it steps on a sacred cow, the literal interpetation of Genesis. If it didn't, then all this whining and moaning would be utterly nonexistent, much like how nobody complains about the idea that people can use devices to float in the sky(well, beyond the crashing part).

And it's rather interesting too in how creationists view themselves as under attack in this fashion, that scientists are hellbent in disproving creationism above all else... when in reality, they're arguing that evolution is right. Unfortunately, it's easy to be ignorant of the real evidence when you're not versed in ecology or don't have an appreciation for the wide diversity of life and how it makes classification into species sometimes entirely arbitrary. Nearly every time we get somebody on GAF that denies evolution they lack a basic understanding of biology, except for Iceman, who's just a compartmentalizing fundie. :P
 
methane47 said:
You'd be suprised how much you guys sound like the very people you are persecuting.
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Don't throw that word around so willy-nilly.

disagreeing with someone's beliefs : persecution as patting someone on the back : rape
 
I know it's not like there needs to be a serious discussion in here, cause he's a wrong, but...


Didn't the guy from the VT shooting make a video were he rambles about jesus and god and ...? So how can atheism be the impetus behind the shooting? :/
 
Is there a lot of money to be made in writing spurious Evolution denial books?

Cuz I'll sell out and write one if I can make some decent money on it. :lol
 
Hitokage said:
You know, evolution is one of the most robust and tested theories in all of science, but the ONLY reason it's not widely accepted in America, even in layman's understanding, is that it steps on a sacred cow, the literal interpetation of Genesis. If it didn't, then all this whining and moaning would be utterly nonexistent, much like how nobody complains about the idea that people can use devices to float in the sky(well, beyond the crashing part).

And it's rather interesting too in how creationists view themselves as under attack in this fashion, that scientists are hellbent in disproving creationism above all else... when in reality, they're arguing that evolution is right.
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Yup. And it's also crazy that they would go against the same scientist that fight bacterial dieseases that change in order to survive. I mean the scientist know what they are talking about when it comes to fighting dieseases and making cures, but evolution not so much.
 
mckmas8808 said:
Yup. And it's also crazy that they would go against the same scientist that fight bacterial dieseases that change in order to survive. I mean the scientist know what they are talking about when it comes to fighting dieseases and making cures, but evolution not so much.
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Heh, for that they impose a completely arbitrary distinction between what they call "micro" and "macro" evolution, as if DNA keeps a magical hard reference of what it was 10,000 years ago so it knows when to stop changing.

It's the exact same process carried to its logical conclusion: An organism that has different traits and is less genetically compatable. No magic involved.
 
BojTrek said:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/sounds/growingpains1stfullversion.wav

Show me that smile again (Ooh show me that smile.)
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end (We're nowhere near.)
The best is ready to begin.

As long as we got each other
We got the world sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.
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I always loved that song.

Kirk was the only reason to watch that show back then. The rest of his family was really annoying.

Isn't his wife really hot or am I thinking of someone else?
 
Hitokage said:
Heh, for that they impose a completely arbitrary distinction between what they call "micro" and "macro" evolution, as if DNA keeps a magical hard reference of what it was 10,000 years ago so it knows when to stop changing.
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But that doesn't make any sense. If some deadly bacterial strain can change within our lifetimes, what would they expect from a species in say over a million years?
 
mckmas8808 said:
But that doesn't make any sense. If some deadly bacterial strain can change within our lifetimes, what would they expect from a species in say over a million years?
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That it'd know that it couldn't change enough to move outside it's predesignated absolutely defined "kind".

Which is rubbish since everything is entirely relative in the first place.
 
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