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[JackFrost2012]

Today, I bought a "The Best" Konami game in Japan. Zone of the Enders 2: Anubis. It was 1600y new, about $16, so I decided to put up with the ugly box art in order to finally check out the game.

HOWEVER, it turns out that the new "The Best" Konami games (Silent Hill 3, ZOE2: Anubis, Prince of Tennis, etc.) all have REVERSABLE JACKETS. So while the version on display in stores is the regular red-bar, huge numbers, seal-of-quality sporting ugliness, once you take it home you can REVERSE the jacket and the other side is normal, "clean" box art.

And the disc is just a normal disc!

Other companies, please embrace the REVERSABLE JACKET for the budget versions of your software! It's the best idea ever!

 

[jenov4]

Nice of Konami to think about that. But I thought Sony's the one who handles all of the manufacturing with the disc, packaging, etc. etc?

Anyways, some movie studios do that with their DVDs, the reverse side would be in another language (Like French for the Canadian market)

 

[NotMSRP]

why companies have not done the obvious from the start:
1. due to double-sided printing, it costs more
2. businessmen and logic do not mix unless it is warped logic

 

[Dr_Cogent]

You guys are freakin insane with as much caring you have about art.

Box art doesn't change the game one bit. Yeah, I like a pretty picture or something cool - but who gives a fuck if the game is great?

 

[The Faceless Master]

hahahah i bet they arent willing to spend that extra few cents for double printing outside of Japan!

 

[DarienA]

You guys are freakin insane with as much caring you have about art.

Box art doesn't change the game one bit. Yeah, I like a pretty picture or something cool - but who gives a fuck if the game is great?

Repeated for truth.

 

[Mallrat83]

You guys are freakin insane with as much caring you have about art.

Box art doesn't change the game one bit. Yeah, I like a pretty picture or something cool - but who gives a fuck if the game is great?

Wham bam thank you ma'am. Err, Sir.

 

[NotMSRP]

- but who gives a fuck if the game is great?

Points to first post. Seems someone does.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Points to first post. Seems someone does.

Points to insane comment.

We have others on here as well that care - its silly and completely irrelevant IMO.

 

[JackFrost2012]

We have others on here as well that care - its silly and completely irrelevant IMO.

First editions of books are worth more than later printings - do you think that's equally silly? The "original" form of something is generally considered purer and more desireable than later revisions. I'm not deadly serious about game collecting, but I do like for my games to look aesthetically pleasing at least. Of course, you're welcome not to care, but that doesn't mean other people are insane for doing so.

 

[Tamanon]

First editions of books are worth more than later printings - do you think that's equally silly? The "original" form of something is generally considered purer and more desireable than later revisions. I'm not deadly serious about game collecting, but I do like for my games to look aesthetically pleasing at least. Of course, you're welcome not to care, but that doesn't mean other people are insane for doing so.

You'd have a good point though if you were buying a first edition of a game, instead you're coming in later to the game and devaluing the version that others already purchased. So it actually makes BETTER sense to have the GH edition from a collector's perspective.

 

[Kakusha]

Today, I bought a "The Best" Konami game in Japan. Zone of the Enders 2: Anubis. It was 1600y new, about $16, so I decided to put up with the ugly box art in order to finally check out the game.

HOWEVER, it turns out that the new "The Best" Konami games (Silent Hill 3, ZOE2: Anubis, Prince of Tennis, etc.) all have REVERSABLE JACKETS. So while the version on display in stores is the regular red-bar, huge numbers, seal-of-quality sporting ugliness, once you take it home you can REVERSE the jacket and the other side is normal, "clean" box art.

And the disc is just a normal disc!

Other companies, please embrace the REVERSABLE JACKET for the budget versions of your software! It's the best idea ever!

Hahah, got it yesterday, didn't notice the reversable cover. Thanks!

-

Yeah, some games get re-released with extras that first print doesn't have.
Like this one for example. ^^;

 

[NotMSRP]

It's always the two camps: those who care and those who don't care. Those in who don't care camp usually mudslings at the people in the other camp.

Jack: What about the catalog number (slps/slpm) or the upc barcode number? There may be other nitpicks to differentiate it from the first version.

 

[Link316]

yeah some of us care, so stop picking on us

 

[JackFrost2012]

I'm sorry that I learned something interesting today and wanted to tell GAF about it! Clearly, finding out about an elegant and simple solution to a common complaint, then wanting to tell other people about this solution, is a grave and serious character flaw.

When did GAF become such a bitter cesspool of assholes? What the hell happened to this board where trying to tell people about something cool and new that's I found out today results in the first ten replies to the thread being a personal attack on my sanity? On and on, bitter unfocused negativity for no other reason than you like showing everyone what a prick you can be.

Congratulations, you win. Bye-bye.

 

[Mallrat83]

First editions of books are worth more than later printings - do you think that's equally silly? The "original" form of something is generally considered purer and more desireable than later revisions. I'm not deadly serious about game collecting, but I do like for my games to look aesthetically pleasing at least. Of course, you're welcome not to care, but that doesn't mean other people are insane for doing so.

Yes I do think it's silly. If I am going to buy a book, I'm going to buy it because I want to read the story or information, not because I think it'll be worth money down the line. I usually buy the cheapest edition possible. Same thing with a game. I buy it because I want to play it, not because I think the boxart looks nice.

And dude, you need to calm down, chill out, something.

 

[Deleted member 284]

I'm sorry that I learned something interesting today and wanted to tell GAF about it! Clearly, finding out about an elegant and simple solution to a common complaint, then wanting to tell other people about this solution, is a grave and serious character flaw.

When did GAF become such a bitter cesspool of assholes? What the hell happened to this board where trying to tell people about something cool and new that's I found out today results in the first ten replies to the thread being a personal attack on my sanity? On and on, bitter unfocused negativity for no other reason than you like showing everyone what a prick you can be.

Congratulations, you win. Bye-bye.

JackFrost, I hope you don't stop posting here. Yes there are people that always want to correct/downgrade other people's posts, but I would appreciate it if you would stay as I enjoy your posts (as I am sure others do).

 

[Jonnyram]

Thank you, Andrew, for this interesting news.
You might like to know that Grandia III has a reversible jacket too (the first release), and I don't think it's in limited numbers like the Suikoden ones were either.

Please understand that your posts are valued by some of us at least. Don't give up the fight!

 

[GamerShu]

good idea...but it in my mind will still be a GH...so I would scout around for a real version

 

[cja]

You guys are freakin insane with as much caring you have about art.

Box art doesn't change the game one bit. Yeah, I like a pretty picture or something cool - but who gives a fuck if the game is great?

So you and guys like you are the reason why publishers get away with crappy box art and b&w manuals.

 

[Link316]

Yes I do think it's silly. If I am going to buy a book, I'm going to buy it because I want to read the story or information, not because I think it'll be worth money down the line. I usually buy the cheapest edition possible. Same thing with a game. I buy it because I want to play it, not because I think the boxart looks nice.

its not silly at all, look at comic books, 2nd printings have the same story & art as the 1st printings, but nobody wants the 2nd printings

 

[SolidSnakex]

Seriously, if you don't care about boxarts then fine, don't bother with the threads. Others do want nice looking boxarts so yes its important. I think most would've preferred Japan and Europes covers for ICO than what we got, it didn't stop them from buying it but it'd still been nice to have the real art than a bad render than didn't represent the game at all.

 

[FortNinety]

Yes I do think it's silly. If I am going to buy a book, I'm going to buy it because I want to read the story or information, not because I think it'll be worth money down the line. I usually buy the cheapest edition possible. Same thing with a game. I buy it because I want to play it, not because I think the boxart looks nice.

And dude, you need to calm down, chill out, something.

Jack pissed cuz he pass along a fairly neat solution to something that bugs many folks... whether the problem is really a problem is in the eye of the beholder... and he got crap for it. I think he's more than justified to be pissed off by all the negativity.

So if you went to buy a new car and there was a huge scratch or a big glob of paint that didn't match, would you still buy it? I mean, its still works perfectly and all, so if not, why not?

 

[Kakusha]

Oi, why's there "Banned" under his name? What'd he do? @_@;

 

[Mallrat83]

I'm just giving my opinion. I never attacked Jack personally. I would hope I wasn't one of the guys he was mad at.

I think this thread clearly splits into two groups those who are game collectors and those who are game players. Nothing wrong with that, I just happen to fall into the latter.

 

[Wario64]

Oi, why's there "Banned" under his name? What'd he do? @_@;

probably asked for it

all because of a box art label

good job guys!

 

[Scotch]

Brilliant indeed. I have yet to buy my first GH/Platinum/etc title because of those horrible box arts.

I think this thread clearly splits into two groups those who are game collectors and those who are game players. Nothing wrong with that, I just happen to fall into the latter.

And then there's people who are both.

 

[Hellraizah]

Collectors will still find a way to bitch about it ....

"I got Symphony of the Night original....."

"yeah, but have you got the ONE SIDED original ?"

shamefully...."no"

 

[Dr_Cogent]

So you and guys like you are the reason why publishers get away with crappy box art and b&w manuals.

We aren't the reason at all. It's called economics. Game devs/publishers want to maximize profits and they realize that 99.99% of the people out there don't give a shit.

Personally, I don't think a game is all that great if I have to look in a manual for everything. It should all be explained to the user from ground zero as they play, and ease them into the game, so eventually they know everything. That's just good game design. We have nothing to do with the fact that publishers don't make their boxes or manuals to your satisfaction.

 

[skip]

Nothing wrong with that, I just happen to fall into the latter.

so why are you posting in this thread?

there are a lot of rad posters here, but GAF in general really needs to get over itself. IT'S OK TO NOT SHARE YOUR OPINION ON EVERYTHING. WE REALLY DON'T CARE.

also, go vestal.

 

[Andvary]

Seriously, if you don't care about boxarts then fine, don't bother with the threads.

I agree.

 

[Red Blaster]

Fantastic, we lost an "industry insider" thanks to some cuntbag assholes. Way to go!

 

[NotMSRP]

If everyone had the collector's mentality, then I'm sure the level of standard in products would go up not down as displayed when majority of consumers have apathy.

You need to realize that economics is a two-way street. Businesses wants what is in their best interests while consumers want what is in their best interests.

 

[Tamanon]

Actually I don't see anyone really being an a-hole about it, except maybe the comment about caring about box art enough to not buy a verison of a game insane. That's VERY tame stuff haha. I think someone was just a bit too sensitive

 

[Zeo]

Oi, why's there "Banned" under his name? What'd he do? @_@;

He asked to be banned because he spends to much time on the forum than doing his job or something.

Which is.. uh, logical?

 

[saelz8]

probably asked for it

all because of a box art label

good job guys!

:lol

 

[Wario64]

He asked to be banned because he spends to much time on the forum than doing his job or something.

Which is.. uh, logical?

yes, and that has nothing to do with this thread whatsoever. he just happened to realize that he spends too much on gaf just as gaf posters rediculed him for making this thread

 

[Mallrat83]

so why are you posting in this thread?

there are a lot of rad posters here, but GAF in general really needs to get over itself. IT'S OK TO NOT SHARE YOUR OPINION ON EVERYTHING. WE REALLY DON'T CARE.

also, go vestal.

Holy shit man. At least my posts dealt with the subject of boxarts instead of your inane bashing of my posts. Really, what did I say that was bad? Hell. GA needs to lighten up a bit. What the hell is the point of a forum if every thread was filled with ramblings of everyone sharing the same opinion? I didn't personally attack him, I didn't say what he was saying was stupid, I just shared what I thought on the subject. So you get over yourself.

 

[NotMSRP]

You were in accordance with the opinion of the initial basher. That's what and why.

 

[Mallrat83]

Allright look, I'm going to do something that has never been done before on GAF, apologize. I'm sorry people.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

I'm going to apologize as well. Most people exxagerate on here, and I am no exception. I don't really think they are quote-unquote insane. I don't agree with their opinion, but they have a right to it as I do mine. I just don't understand the whole focus on box arts and I think it's a bit odd.

I certainly wasn't trying to get anyone banned, that's for sure.

 

[The Faceless Master]

i can understand that people want the original boxart, i mean, i agree that it looks better, less tacky and less lame...

i also admit that i don't care much what the boxart looks like as long as the spine of the case has a readable font and the game works...

what i DON'T get is why the people who DO want the original boxart want it for the greatest hits price...

it's just so crazy seeing people who want it both ways, when the two choices are obviously different for very good reasons...

 

[fennec fox]

Hey, I'm an industree insidur and I'm no box-art snob! So let's party d00ds!

 

[.hacked]

nothing say cheap bastard like value packaging.

 

[skip]

Holy shit man. At least my posts dealt with the subject of boxarts instead of your inane bashing of my posts. Really, what did I say that was bad? Hell. GA needs to lighten up a bit. What the hell is the point of a forum if every thread was filled with ramblings of everyone sharing the same opinion? I didn't personally attack him, I didn't say what he was saying was stupid, I just shared what I thought on the subject.

it's not everyone sharing the same opinion. it's people who see a parade, and then take it upon themselves to piss all over it for no good reason.

if jackfrost had asked people what their opinion on boxarts was in general, then go to fucking town.

but he didn't. he found a cool solution to what some people see as a problem with boxart and shared it with them. these people do not care what you think about boxart, yet instead of letting them enjoy themselves, you guys just had to tell them that they're wrong.

it's like going into a bar and overhearing people talking excitedly about their favorite sports team, and a random stranger coming up to the table and saying "I think sports are stupid." in real life, you'd get confused/blank stares, and quite possibly a punch in the face. not so on the internet, thanks anonymity!

now that I think about it, bishop should apply his awesome OT wrestling topic philosophy to the general forum.

So you get over yourself.

and that doesn't even make sense.

 

[CompositeMolar]

what i DON'T get is why the people who DO want the original boxart want it for the greatest hits price...

Maybe because not all of us can afford every games we want at 50$? Also why pay 50$ for a game that you won't play right away and just trow in your backlog/collection if you can just get it later for 20$?

 

[Wario64]

Maybe because not all of us can afford every games we want at 50$? Also why pay 50$ for a game that you won't play right away and just trow in your backlog/collection if you can just get it later for 20$?

but why should us cheap bastards care about the GH label? i certainly dont

 

[Duck of Death]

Trolling box art topics? Come on now.

Hopefully JackFrost isn't gone for good.

 

[Tamanon]

Maybe because not all of us can afford every games we want at 50$? Also why pay 50$ for a game that you won't play right away and just trow in your backlog/collection if you can just get it later for 20$?

Guess what, then you don't get to care about box-art. You're not willing to shell out the original price, thus you get what you pay for

 

[Mallrat83]

these people do not care what you think about boxart, yet instead of letting them enjoy themselves, you guys just had to tell them that they're wrong.

it's like going into a bar and overhearing people talking excitedly about their favorite sports team, and a random stranger coming up to the table and saying "I think sports are stupid." in real life, you'd get confused/blank stares, and quite possibly a punch in the face. not so on the internet, thanks anonymity!

Please point out in any of my posts where I said jack was wrong (or that anyone else was wrong for that matter)?

Also, I go up to people all the time and tell them their team sucks ass or argue with them about players we think are good, bad, under or overrated. I don't, on the other hand, completely jump the ball and attempt to ridicule sports as a whole. Just like I didn't jump the gun and say video games as a whole are stupid. I was stating my opinion on a small aspect of games, and there is nothing wrong with that.