I'm of the mind that anything would be more comfortable than the dual shock.
It's undoubtedly going to be heavier not because of the somewhat larger frame but because of the touchscreen, mic and move thing at the top.
Kotaku Rumor: PS4 out in November, control with your phone/tablet, maybe $429/529
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I'm of the mind that anything would be more comfortable than the dual shock.
It's undoubtedly going to be heavier not because of the somewhat larger frame but because of the touchscreen, mic and move thing at the top.
Slayer-33
Liverpool-2
It's only a fucking up the ass if you take it.
So, how precisely do we judge the PlayStation brand?
1. Wiped out nearly all profits from multiple gens of PlayStation systems.
2. Is in third place, down from first. Even if it HIT second place or tied, the result is a system that has dramatically damaged the PlayStation brand, was slaughtered by a third tier platform with no games called Wii and lost pretty much all third party exclusives to other systems.
3. Vita is one of the biggest bombs of all time.
4. PSP remained productive in pretty much only one territory.
5. FFXIII was symbolic of the problem at Sony, not THE CAUSE. I don't know how many times that obvious shit needs to be restated. It was symbolic of how the result of Sony's failures have caused all third parties to exit the roost (at least on exclusive terms). As a symbol, I'd say it was a pretty powerful one and I was not the only one who thought so - there were waves throughout the industry and in Sony's stock.
And here we are. Sony's PlayStation brand seems to hold virtually no weight at all, Sony as a company is having many issues as I'm sure you're aware, and they're having trouble gaining any foothold. What people don't like is hyperbole; what they're unable to admit to is that sometimes hyperbole is right.
P.S. And you need context. The MGS4 was an ongoing joke at that time on neoGAF, everybody was joking about MGS4 coming to 360. That was not intended to be any serious part of that argument.
This is why Sony needs to be aggressive with PS4, because I don't think they can take another failure of the magnitude of PS3 and Vita if they intend to stay in the market. And if you disagree with that assessment, I'd say we're not living in any reality that represents the truth here.
Beelzebubs
Member
I still don't think they'll charge for online play. Maybe some extra features like Playstation Plus/Hulu etc. but after the great PSN downtime they had I'm not sure consumer confidence would be enough for people to pay for it.
sadmaker
Member
I've had trigger attachments on my controller for years. Its really not a big deal.
Puppet Shadow
Member
You need a pretty big bullet point to justify paying monthly, though. Putting party chat behind a paywall seems petty to me. I know it sucks for consumers, but I think Sony is smart if they charge for online. Sure, there will be a lot of initial bitching, but I suspect gamers will accept it.
Oppo
Member
I don't think they will either, and Vita is a big hint.
I think it will be: multiplayer, invites and basic text messaging for free. Fancy chat, streaming features, smartphone bells and whistles for people who pay.
edit - Amir0x, please stop rotating in place, it's not germaine
Rice-Eater
Member
Honestly the price doesn't bother me, but I feel like a price of $430 and $530 feels a bit alienating to the audience. People are use to these prices ending in a 0 or 5 unless it's all the way down the $200 or below range. I'd prefer $400/$500, not just because it's cheaper,but because it just looks better. Sure $380/$480 would be even better but then people would say why not $350/$450 instead. So just go with the other number. Personally I'd rather they just sell 1 SKU at $400 and worry about the other stuff later. Just make it clear that "PS4 = $400". Putting that in peoples minds would be better IMO, that's just me though.
Byakuya769
Member
For everyone complaining about having to pay for online, I wonder how many are there who fucked up the game by fisting over cash for live. Looks like the market may have spoke. Fuck.
The Mango Sentinel
Member
It revolutionized taking a shit.
Anyway, I will gladly pay for psn as long as they step up their services.
Neuromancer
Member
What is this in reference to? I don't think they will either.
Amir0x, is that you?
flyinpiranha
Member
This is pretty much thread-whining and bannable. I think they're coming down on this shit more-so with the traffic too, just a heads up.
I think $429 is doable but $529, the more I say it, the more I think it won't work out that great for them. It seems like it would be a repeat of what the PS3 did and I think they want to be more profitable than that. But this doesn't have BR so it will definitely work out better even if it sells the same.
....We'll see. I'm more interested in what Sony does than Microsoft at this point considering the last few years with my 360 have been completely void of interesting exclusives, and Sony has atleast managed to get some awesome stuff.
But yeah. I dunno. I'm not going to pick it up until the inevitable launch issues are ironed out.
But yeah. I dunno. I'm not going to pick it up until the inevitable launch issues are ironed out.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Anyone?
Wolves Evolve
Member
Kevin Dent is SO awful online when called out about sexism and being generally rude, and you go back and look at a number of professionals telling him to chill out, I'm inclined to believe anything he says less simply because he's so cut off from people - and that's just visibly.
Neuromancer
Member
He's just this guy, you know?
Metalmurphy
Member
Kotakus recent shenanigans
Here's the problem I see:
- You're not charging for the PS3 and PS Vita right now for online access, you're already asking people to pay anywhere between 350-500 for a new system, and now you want them to pay a subscription on top of that? Unless PS3 support from 1st and 3rd party drops to 0 the day after the PS4 is released, why should I jump on the PS4 when I can already play online and access Netflix and Hulu without paying more?
- Or does this mean the PS3 and Vita WILL be forced to pay to play online as well, but I don't think Sony is THAT stupid....are they?
- You're not charging for the PS3 and PS Vita right now for online access, you're already asking people to pay anywhere between 350-500 for a new system, and now you want them to pay a subscription on top of that? Unless PS3 support from 1st and 3rd party drops to 0 the day after the PS4 is released, why should I jump on the PS4 when I can already play online and access Netflix and Hulu without paying more?
- Or does this mean the PS3 and Vita WILL be forced to pay to play online as well, but I don't think Sony is THAT stupid....are they?
Jasper Avenue
Member
Kevin Dent is a smart dude. If he's saying it, there's a good chance it's going to happen.
There is already a premium subscription called PS+.
They'll add more to it with Gaikai etc.
"Long time video game industry guy, currently COO and Game Designer at @P4RCINC & also working on @rekoilthegame! Board member to various"
Very few people buy those. New triggers matter to most people.
Mr.Wreckless
Banned
Carriers in the US do not give you a discount on the phone service if you have your own phone. So if you are going to be paying the same price for service whether you sign a contract or not then yes the cell phone is cheaper when you sign a contract.
killdatninja
Banned
Multiple SKU's for launch, Sony definitely wised up. $429 seems like a fair price, I paid $450 for my xbox 360 (elite) back 5 years ago.. $529 while somewhat steep, is their "premium" version, doesn't necessarily mean you absolutely need it but has nice extra bells and whistles for those who want to pay for the extras.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
So no one then.
Neuromancer
Member
Oh that guy
Would be shocked if Sony didn't have a subscription on the thing roughly equivalent, perhaps more flexible, than whatever MS has. It's a fresh gen, a fresh start.
Got to respect a man for sticking to his guns. I respectfully accept his double down.
AZ Greg
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Pristine_Condition
Member
$399 is the sweet spot for price, I'm convinced. If Sony deviates from that, it's to their sales detriment.
If the subscription is for something as basic as multiplayer, which they expect pretty much everyone to get, don't think that they'll be graciously giving freebies away like they are now.
Ozzykamikaze
Member
There are four things I need to see before I commit my hard-earned money to anybody:
1) Who is blocking/not blocking used games?
2) Who is requiring/not requiring a constant internet connection?
3) GAMES, GAMES, and prehaps, MORE GAMES!
4) Oh, and who has BC and who doesn't.
Subscription...not that shocking considering all things. The controller looks comfy honestly. Beyond that, I'm just not sure. I'm leaning slightly towards Sony considering what we have learned (allegedly) about the Durango.
1) Who is blocking/not blocking used games?
2) Who is requiring/not requiring a constant internet connection?
3) GAMES, GAMES, and prehaps, MORE GAMES!
4) Oh, and who has BC and who doesn't.
Subscription...not that shocking considering all things. The controller looks comfy honestly. Beyond that, I'm just not sure. I'm leaning slightly towards Sony considering what we have learned (allegedly) about the Durango.
Red Liquorice
Member
There's no way I would ever pay for something that was included free all this time. Online multiplayer for free or no sale, ever.
And wouldn't a subscription service help subsidize a bit of the console price anyway?
What's the point of ruining a good thing with PlayStation Plus if you're not going to pass on any benefits to the consumer elsewhere? If you go over $400, you destroy a very real mental block people have.
Im still thinking MP will still be free on PS4.
Dude, why even bother? Its pretty easy to just ignore him lol.
Dude, why even bother? Its pretty easy to just ignore him lol.
sublimit
Banned
If they don't (which is the most logical thing to happen) then i think this rumour will really hurt the hype surrounding the console (even if it proves to be false/fake by E3 time.)
Kotaku did it again.
CambriaRising
Member
I seriously doubt they will lock away online gaming. I do think that they will lock more features behind PS+ though.
Neuromancer
Member
My guess is 1) no one will block used games 2) no one will require always on internet and 4) no one will have BC except for streaming on Sony's system. No idea about 3 yet, that's the most exciting part of all this I think.
flyinpiranha
Member
Yep. I honestly don't think they'll go over $400.
I'll pay for online if what they offer is worth it. Yes I'm part of the problem.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Would be alright if Party/Cross Game Chat was + exclusive, but standard per game chat would need to be in.
Party Chat strikes me as a 'service', while standard chat is just... in games anyway.
Party Chat strikes me as a 'service', while standard chat is just... in games anyway.