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They are all design choices. Better hardware won't magically make it happen.
Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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They are all design choices. Better hardware won't magically make it happen.
Why not? if the game is 1080P 60 fps on PS4 why wouldn't it be able to run 4K/60 fps if it's already playing the 30fps games in 4K?
Sure, if your PS4.5 is 1500$ and even then 4K/60 isn't going to happen
Ricky Ricardo
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What will be the fidelity of these presumed 4K games? You're talking arcade titles, at best, because you're not about to get a truly capable 4K GPU crammed into whatever this machine is supposed to be and still pay $399.
I think he means all games.
4k/60 is very demanding with the type of visual fidelity that PS4 games have currently. Which is why almost no games on PS4 are 1080p/60 now, because they prefer to run 1080p/30 and turn up the visual bells and whistles.
Could it be possible? Sure, but highly unlikely to be the normal like 1080p/30 is now. Not to mention that 1080 is still the predominant resolution for TVs at large. So more than likely we will see a 1080p/60 as the new normal for PS4.5, which would be a great improvement already.
mangochutney
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You're assuming that the current PS4 would stay the same price if they bring out a PS4.5.
We're entering slim revision territory, most commonly associated with price drops.
I don't see that not happening.
Wishmaster92
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What benefits would a game like mgsv have on ps4.5? It's already 1080p 60fps and has good aa. I would say 4k 60fps or 1080p downsampling.
Does the focus on 4k with ps4 assets rumor suggest no cpu upgrade? Is resolution completely gpu/bandwith dependent with no cpu help? While things like shadow quality, draw distance, etc. would require cpu increase. I really hope they aren't sticking with the jaguar cpus. No cpu upgrade would hugely bottlteneck it.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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I gotta say that if this is true, and I still don't believe it is but, if it is then Sony can kiss my ass. Nothing like screwing early adopters.
I'll completely drop them and just go PC and Nintendo.
I'll completely drop them and just go PC and Nintendo.
Neuromancer
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Weird that literally no other outlet has reported on this, other than to source Kotaku as the source.
Obliterator
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I have a 980ti and an i7. I'm fully aware of what 4k looks like.
I'm still not convinced there is a very big market for a PS4 thats the exact same but can spit out 4k. But hey like I said earlier, maybe the R&D on this thing is very cheap and Sony don't plan on selling a lot of them anyways. Because they won't
UnforgivenTwin
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That's not true at all.
'All' of them did and they sourced Kotaku.
Can't help but laugh, laugh really hard.
Because that controller is scarier than a system getting a spec bump. That's what I think.
Samurai G0SU
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IF there is a new ps4 with some upgraded hardware that will enable UHD blu-ray playback, then i will wait. I've been waiting until uncharted but i've waited this long, a few more months wont hurt.
Bring it. I can't wait to see what is and what is not revealed at e3.
I'm on the e3 train already.
Bring it. I can't wait to see what is and what is not revealed at e3.
I'm on the e3 train already.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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Make faces all you want. The fact remains that people bought a PS4 early and now there could be a better one out there, making the one they have the lesser machine and eventually obsolete. If you can't see that, then I feel bad for your naivete.
Like I said, Sony can kiss my ass. I'm not buying another console again this early to stay on top of the game. I'll stick with my gaming PC and the Nintendo exclusives. The only games I'd truly miss are Bloodborne, Destiny and I really enjoyed inFamous: Second Son.
Why? Because I spent $400 on the PS4 and now I'm being asked to spend another $400 on a new console 3 years later if I want the best stuff? What's so funny about that? The reason you buy a console is partly for the life cycle.
Ohh, I get it....Because I spend money on my PC every couple of years? I knew that going into it years ago. That's why it doesn't matter. Money isn't my issue here, obviously. I'm not paying for a console on the same level I pay for a PC though. That's not what I get into consoles for.
Like I said, though, I doubt it's even true. It's Kotaku.
So presumably games will still be dev'd for the PS4, but will look prettier on the PS4.5
Would this mean eventually games would be dev'd for the PS4.5 and look better on the PS5?
Or would they just do a clean start once again with the PS5?
It wouldn't be the first time a revised model had improved specs. It happened to the DS and the PSP.
Would this mean eventually games would be dev'd for the PS4.5 and look better on the PS5?
Or would they just do a clean start once again with the PS5?
It wouldn't be the first time a revised model had improved specs. It happened to the DS and the PSP.
Bear Force One
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These pages later and not one stitch of proof.
These pages later and not one stitch of proof.
Aceofspades
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In this case I'm super fine with this news. this will not fracture the userbase and Ps4.5 somehow managing 4k on current games will be enough for some enthusiasts to upgrade. I think Sony managed this feat not with extra GPU power but some sort of scaler chip or technology , which is super fine to me.
If the 4.5 is the same in FPS/Assets but only different in the output resolution of 4K. Would you still be mad about it?
And if you had a FHD TV and couldn't use it anyway (unrealistic but would be quite funny) because lack of 4K?
Obliterator
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Also if they are truly designing a console that is true 4k and offers no incentive for anyone with a 1080p set to buy it, how on Earth are they doing this cost effective? It cant be native 4k without an very expensive GPU in the box, and at that point why would they spend all of that money building and designing this for less than 10% of the market landscape?
I could see a move like this making sense in about 2018-2019 when the PS5 has launched and 4k is much more established. But in 2016? Weird move
I could see a move like this making sense in about 2018-2019 when the PS5 has launched and 4k is much more established. But in 2016? Weird move
CosmicQueso
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So you don't consider Nintendo bringing NX so soon after the launch of the Wii U to be "screwing early adopters"?
And you don't consider the Nintendo handheld revisions launched every couple years to be any issue?
Just seems like a bit of a contradictory position to take? You have every right to it of course, but I think that's what the face is about.
The PC version for this game already exists and the game could reach max PC settings more than it can now.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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No, I don't because my only reason for staying with it is for my family. I don't care about it for me. I have fun with it but, I could do without. I spend the money to play couch co-op with my wife and kids because they love Mario. The PS4 is for me.
I like the idea of an upgraded PS4 however I'm not convinced about 4k. I'd rather have 1080p at 60 fps (or 30) with all the bells and all the whistles enabled. Like dynamic fluids, smoke, fire, better destruction etc...
Coupled with perhaps a svogi, these effects would increase immersion far mre than 4k ever could.
Coupled with perhaps a svogi, these effects would increase immersion far mre than 4k ever could.
Really dood 😒 It's pretty clear I bolded Nintendo. A company known for banging early adopters, yet you seem to be cool with it. I'll just sit here with my ambassador certificate. Sony should learn a thing or two about certificates.
I dont believe this for a second.
Either its a ps4 slim (no improved specs), or they are talking about the ps5.
Edit: And if for whatever reason it does get some kind of spec bump, i expect it to only affect the OS, and the gaming side to still have the same specs dedicated to it
Either its a ps4 slim (no improved specs), or they are talking about the ps5.
Edit: And if for whatever reason it does get some kind of spec bump, i expect it to only affect the OS, and the gaming side to still have the same specs dedicated to it
Mushroom021
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Well considering the sources its obvious why.
Obliterator
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Now this would be legit and could offer a tangible net gain for 1080p owners. They need to have some sort of benefit for the mass market if they want this to sell. Even if they dont up assets or framerates for 1080p games. Have the system downsample for 1080p, have the VR breakout box built into the machine, have PSVR run better, etc.
It needs something because a standard PS4 that does 4k alone sounds a tad early to the market
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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I have the TV already and I already answered that in my comment you replied to.
You will not be "screwed over" if the PS4 continues on getting support with the PS4.5 simply running the same games a bit better. You will still have a typical "life cycle".
The new PS4 is probably going to handle 4k content with some sort of upscaler.
It's not going to run games better, it's not going to be able run games that the current PS4 can't, and it's not going to make the 36 million PS4s already sold "obsolete". Seriously. This isn't Sony's first time at the rodeo, they've done hardware revisions before.
I really wouldn't worry about it.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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I don't have a choice on Nintendo. I already said that. I don't like what they do. I like gaming with my family though and that's what they play on. If it were just me I'd be on PS4 and PC.
I don't get the point of making a PS4 that just aims for the 4K market when that model of TV's penetration is low.
Jumping into that market at obviously a higher price seems like a bad move when they might not be making money on hardware like the current PS4 to serve a small market segment.
I'm guessing PSVR is the other trojan horse. I don't get why Sony just don't go for a PS5 in 2 years and force people to upgrade then because after the PS4.5 comes out we'll be jumping to PS5 within another couple years.
The amount of money being spent on Sony hardware will just be silly at that point.
PS I Love You's newest podcast though.
Greg and Colin bring up that their journo friends heard devs talking about PS4.5 off handedly at GDC.
Jumping into that market at obviously a higher price seems like a bad move when they might not be making money on hardware like the current PS4 to serve a small market segment.
I'm guessing PSVR is the other trojan horse. I don't get why Sony just don't go for a PS5 in 2 years and force people to upgrade then because after the PS4.5 comes out we'll be jumping to PS5 within another couple years.
The amount of money being spent on Sony hardware will just be silly at that point.
PS I Love You's newest podcast though.
Greg and Colin bring up that their journo friends heard devs talking about PS4.5 off handedly at GDC.
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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Omnistalgic
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Nah man...because it exist means I'm getting screwed over. Don't you get the logic? Lol
Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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That's kind of my point right there.
I should have known better than to post this on here. To hell with it. I'm done here. If it happens like I think it could then I'll bail on the Playstation this gen and wait for the inevitable 5.5 next gen. No big deal for me.
As others have said, it isn't that outlandish to think a Polaris 16nm Apu could deliver roughly 5 tflops at around a $100 per chip cost to Sony. That's pretty much what the ps4 Apu cost at launch.
A 5 tflop gpu could do 4k/30fps even on current aaa titles. So then devs have a choice of 1080p 60hz Bells and whistles, or 4k/30 but turning down the settings a bit. It's actually conceivable they would let you choose your preference, especially if it's ported from PC.
I fully expect a $499-$599 price tag for this, which honestly isn't a bad deal.
We'll see what the specs are though.
A 5 tflop gpu could do 4k/30fps even on current aaa titles. So then devs have a choice of 1080p 60hz Bells and whistles, or 4k/30 but turning down the settings a bit. It's actually conceivable they would let you choose your preference, especially if it's ported from PC.
I fully expect a $499-$599 price tag for this, which honestly isn't a bad deal.
We'll see what the specs are though.
Omnistalgic
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Well maybe it's not this place and just your attitude? I'm actually not too keen on the idea myself, and I'm definitely not planning on upgrading anytime soon, but I'm also not being childish about it and waiting to see what is actually revealed.
yep, and getting more people to buy it (the non-4K TV crowd) is wiser anyway. Give them an incentive to upgrade and you have more sales.
I'm being a Sherlock here I know
BRING DOWNSAMPLING TO THE PS4K SONY and/or ADVANTAGES FOR THE 1080P CROWD.
A 4k scaler is pointless, as your TV already has a scaler, only people that would be helpful to is people using monitors.