The Artisan
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I agree, fucking 100%.
So someone please please please tell me this is a rumor...or is this Kotaku source very likely right on the money?
Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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So someone please please please tell me this is a rumor...or is this Kotaku source very likely right on the money?
Why the fuck are people comparing this to phones and tablets? That model works because there is a broad worldwide mass market to support that yearly upgrade plan.
Consoles do not have that luxury at all. It's not nearly the same in any instance. There is only niche audience that could reasonably afford to keep up and it will be a disaster. They won't make any of their money back.
Consoles do not have that luxury at all. It's not nearly the same in any instance. There is only niche audience that could reasonably afford to keep up and it will be a disaster. They won't make any of their money back.
Cthulhu_Steev
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Well that's what this will be, they'll be talking to developers about PS5 (because the timeline for release in about three years is right for that) and about forward/backward compatibility.
There's no way Sony are releasing a 4.5 model, it's ridiculous. Of course, now it's out there they have to confirm or deny it and people will cry 'false' either way.
Netherscourge
Banned
Sounds like AMD is about to announce its first APU using a Polaris/Arctic Circle Hybrid with HBM 2.0 architecture.
...and it'll debut in the PS4.5...maybe?
THIS is how you top-off PC gaming in 2016 - you announce something PCs don't even have commercially available yet and BLOW AWAY the competition with insane graphic-processing capability.
Pascal be damned.
Hopefully, this is their approach.
/fingers crossed.
...and it'll debut in the PS4.5...maybe?
THIS is how you top-off PC gaming in 2016 - you announce something PCs don't even have commercially available yet and BLOW AWAY the competition with insane graphic-processing capability.
Pascal be damned.
Hopefully, this is their approach.
/fingers crossed.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Yeah and have fun playing the inferior version of a Playstation game a few years after buying a new console?
Screw that, I'm off to PC.
well gamers hate change.
so what is better, a ps4k or something more modular where you can upgrade every couple years like MS is doing where things are forward and backward compatible.
Going by Sonys history they may fragment things and make you buy games again for 4k.
AstroNut325
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I don't think either MS or Sony is interested in continuing the traditional hardware cycles. There is lots of money being made by technology companies who iterate their hardware every year or every other year. If your current games remain fully functional going forward, I'm not sure what the issue is. Kind of like Apple releasing the iPad Air 3 when I have owned a iPad Air for two years now. When I'm ready, I'll upgrade. No need until then. Gives an option to people.
Nameless
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This sort of close minded, short sighted thinking seems only to persists in the console space for some reason. No one is forcing you to upgrade, and the old PS4 models will he viable for at least the amount of time I'd am average console cycle.
No one is entitled to have tech stagnate at their personal point of entry. Good on Sony for getting with the times.
EVA UNIT 01
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If true i dont see a reason to complain if its a 3ds-like situation.
If all current ps4s can play all future games and the new ps4 2.0 can simply play them at higher specs whats the problem?
If this is the method of execution im down and ill buy one.
If all current ps4s can play all future games and the new ps4 2.0 can simply play them at higher specs whats the problem?
If this is the method of execution im down and ill buy one.
Yup. The entire premise of the console for me is simplicity and stability. I buy a console and know I will have access to games designed for it for 5-8 years with no hoops to jump through. If platform holders are bailing on that, I'll just go back to PC gaming.
Croatoan
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Yeah but Companies could release a luxury (get it) version for those that want to spend the money. Plays all the same games but at higher framerates and IQ!
Sort of like spending 1.5k on a computer instead of 700...
I ask again, adding a .5 version that only improves performance, how does that hurt the simplicity of the system if Sony requires devs to still support 30fps on OG ps4?
Fixed.
Obliterator
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The article states its now so common knowledge around devs at this point thay people are just walking around GDC talking about it.
So if accurate then yeah, its not so much a secret anymore
ShutterMunster
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Interesting to see how differently people are responding to this idea "allegedly" coming from Sony. Real interesting...
Lilalaunebaer
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Don´t have a PS4 yet, so i´ll wait for E3 to see what´s happening. Hopefully the upgraded PS4 will have a 4k Blu-Ray player. Now, that would get me to buy one pretty fast.
Microsoft´s doing incremental updates, Nintendo might do them with the NX (atleast to theories, nothing official yet) and now Sony.
Have one platform be viable for 5-6 years, while releasing an upgrade every 2-3 years. Makes sense. Two "gens" later the original one isn´t supported by new games anymore (in large, some devs/publishers might still do them, like with the PS360 and PSBone).
Microsoft´s doing incremental updates, Nintendo might do them with the NX (atleast to theories, nothing official yet) and now Sony.
Have one platform be viable for 5-6 years, while releasing an upgrade every 2-3 years. Makes sense. Two "gens" later the original one isn´t supported by new games anymore (in large, some devs/publishers might still do them, like with the PS360 and PSBone).
Considering how many delays we got this generation, I'd be willing to bet that people would start saying that this generation sucked if it ends on year 5.
Fact is, the console business model needs to change. It needs to be more about ecosystem than hardware.
That would be nice playing last of us in 4K but highly dumb. They would make a game exclusive to a console that I doubt will sell 1 million anytime soon compare to about 40 million ps4 user out there
This whole ps4.5 kinda stupid imo good for people who have the money to upgrade a new console and don't have to wait for ps5 but bad as a whole cause it will fragment the ps4 user base devs will now have to make a ps4 and ps4.5 games which is going to cost more money and I doubt more optimization
ezekielpacman
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I can't speak for others, but for me the feeling is that fuck all has been delivered in this console cycle for it to even count yet, whereas typically we see a bell curve with great games hitting their stride around now before tailing off toward the end of the gen.
What have we legitimately had that is great? 3 of the top 5 games on Metacritic are re-releases. 6 of the top 10. For me, literally all that comes to mind is Bloodborne... and we are ready for a new cycle?
I want a return on my PS4 investment for it to feel worthwhile before buying a PS4.5.
Phones are a shit analogy because they do a load of other stuff.
Outrun
Member
Yeah, I am not so chuffed with MS or Sony doing this...
I think the problem is that the kind of optimization we used to see no longer really exists. When you programmed for the PS2, you really only wrote your program for a PS2. With these new consoles, it's all about cross platform development. And with how fast PCs are evolving, consoles get left really far behind.
In addition, we're on the cusp of some new technology (HBM2 and 16nm nodes) which should give a nice boost to the consoles. This could be a one off thing simply because of how the technology lines up with the console cycle (stacked memory was rumored for the current consoles but obviously wasn't ready).
Except you can keep your old phone even when upgraded versions are out. Phones from 2013 still support the same apps as the new 2016 phones.
If this ps4.5 happens, do you think developpers would make a "ps4.5" version of a game and then a "ps4" version too?
Bl@de
Member
Ehm ... the games were always inferior when compared to more powerful hardware. If that bothered you ... why didn't you switch to PC before?
Cereal Enthusiast
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Wait a sec, what would Sony win by doing this ?
PS4 is selling extremely well (and show no sign of slowing down), they're making a ton of money, WHY would they do this ?
PS4 is selling extremely well (and show no sign of slowing down), they're making a ton of money, WHY would they do this ?
Dundar
Member
that would suck, i mean, we're about year 2.5 into ps4 life and we still had:
- no *new* naughty dog game
- no *new* santa monica game
- no *info* on bend game
- no *new* media molecule game (LBP3 was sumo digital)
- ....the last guardian is still not out
- etc
this was supposed to be the year ps4 kicks into full gear. And having 3 more years of "maturity" ahead was in my opinion pretty much needed (it has been a remaster console up to now, and i say so LOVING remasters since i skipped ps3). If choosing ps4 for the exclusives becomes a no-factor since exclusives gets stuck in the development pipeline and we get, like 2-3 total games from sony every gen (before the console becomes obsolete, or, in this case, "semi-old gen"), then i guess the switch to pc gaming is pretty much needed since it's basically the same and i much prefer upgrading my own way.
that would really sour my perception of sony, sure PS4 may still be in the market but as soon as PS4.5-only games only appear in the market, it'll all be for naught and that becomes ps5. That's a really dangerous thread to walk on imho. Chances of blowing all the goodwill of the last 2 years is really on the rise if this is confirmed (and i believe it is, the idea of hardware revision also being also spoken about by sony execs before).
- no *new* naughty dog game
- no *new* santa monica game
- no *info* on bend game
- no *new* media molecule game (LBP3 was sumo digital)
- ....the last guardian is still not out
- etc
this was supposed to be the year ps4 kicks into full gear. And having 3 more years of "maturity" ahead was in my opinion pretty much needed (it has been a remaster console up to now, and i say so LOVING remasters since i skipped ps3). If choosing ps4 for the exclusives becomes a no-factor since exclusives gets stuck in the development pipeline and we get, like 2-3 total games from sony every gen (before the console becomes obsolete, or, in this case, "semi-old gen"), then i guess the switch to pc gaming is pretty much needed since it's basically the same and i much prefer upgrading my own way.
that would really sour my perception of sony, sure PS4 may still be in the market but as soon as PS4.5-only games only appear in the market, it'll all be for naught and that becomes ps5. That's a really dangerous thread to walk on imho. Chances of blowing all the goodwill of the last 2 years is really on the rise if this is confirmed (and i believe it is, the idea of hardware revision also being also spoken about by sony execs before).
Netherscourge
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GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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No fucking way
shadowsdarknes
Member
This isn't the same thing anyway.
I don't doubt that people who want to stay with the same PS4 revision for 5 years can do so easily. Developers and publishers won't want to limit their userbase, so for the foreseeable future you can be almost certain that the vast majority of games will be developed with the old PS4 as its primary focus with the PS4.5 (and possible future revisions) just upping resolution and/or framerate to an additional degree. If the focus will shift eventually, I'm sure the PS4 will already have had its 5 years on the market.
I still like the idea and I think it's something that should be great for fans who are already annoyed about current gen consoles struggling with certain games.
If you look at PS3 and Xbox 360, then image quality took a nosedive in later years in order to make technical advances possible. It'd be cool if this time around there was an alternative, so that people who deem this important can have an alternative.
I still like the idea and I think it's something that should be great for fans who are already annoyed about current gen consoles struggling with certain games.
If you look at PS3 and Xbox 360, then image quality took a nosedive in later years in order to make technical advances possible. It'd be cool if this time around there was an alternative, so that people who deem this important can have an alternative.
nillapuddin
Member
They can convince people that cellphones costs 600 god damn dollars and make you pay it off over 2 years, again, again, and again.
But we cant even theorize a fucking video game machine costing 400 bucks and it needs to last 7 years!?
The lack of perspective is STAGGERING
I bet if it costs 20 bucks a month for consoles and mp sub, people would eat it the fuck up.
I know I would
WERE x86 NOW, get real. Its just a computer in a box. Hell, the Xbox is closer than ever
But we cant even theorize a fucking video game machine costing 400 bucks and it needs to last 7 years!?
The lack of perspective is STAGGERING
I bet if it costs 20 bucks a month for consoles and mp sub, people would eat it the fuck up.
I know I would
WERE x86 NOW, get real. Its just a computer in a box. Hell, the Xbox is closer than ever
perfectsil
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If it's ps4.5 it's not going to play games in 4K
If it can play games in 4K it's ps5
If it can play games in 4K it's ps5
Nintendo's set up to be on the same upgrade path if they need to with the NX.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
It's really not that complicated. If I buy a PS4 I want games to be optimized and designed to run on PS4. Not optimized for PS4.738 and scaled down to shit to barely run on my outdated launch PS4.
If there is only one PS4 I will always get the best version of a game available on PS4. That's the beauty of consoles.
This could work, but compatibility between PS4 versions has got to be strictly maintained. Make the updated version a "4K-capable console", but don't segregate the two versions otherwise. I just got a 4K TV this week, and I'd gladly pay $600 for a 4k PS4. That's cheaper than the cost of the GPUs that it takes to get smooth 4K on PC. And as long as games run on both versions, your market isn't fragmented.
Whether or not you can build a PS4 with a GPU that will do modern games at 4K at a reasonable price point is still a question mark.
Not really. There's great 4K gaming TVs from Sony, Samsung, Vizio, and *maybe* Sharp.
Whether or not you can build a PS4 with a GPU that will do modern games at 4K at a reasonable price point is still a question mark.
Not really. There's great 4K gaming TVs from Sony, Samsung, Vizio, and *maybe* Sharp.
-duskdoll-
Member
I honestly don't know how to feel about this. Is this really the future of consoles?
I just hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot.
I just hope they don't shoot themselves in the foot.
potatohead
Member
That's a fair point.
That said I don't believe the consoles are as successful in sales velocity as items such as the iPad or the iPhone and I think it's a little risky for Sony as a company to assume it is.
Or MS for that matter.
I can see what kind of market would go for it, but I don't think it would be successful broadly.
But I could be wrong.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Well Nintendo did it with the New 3DS, making a more powerful version, not to this level of course but it's not totally new idea and Apple have been doing it for years.
I wouldn't mind a more powerful PS4 for 4k and better VR if it's a one off thing, but I wouldn't be buying a new console ever 6-12 months.
I wouldn't mind a more powerful PS4 for 4k and better VR if it's a one off thing, but I wouldn't be buying a new console ever 6-12 months.
Disaster Nebraska
Banned
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Microsoft announced similar plans very recently. Some people liked the idea. Some people hated the idea. Reasonable arguments were made on both sides.
So, if Sony is going this route it adds validity to all those who defended/liked Microsoft's similar decision.
Therefore, it is not surprising to see some of the most active members from the "Microsoft open to making iterative console hardware" thread submitting a lot of posts in this thread.
Considering the industry? Who has confidence that Devs will pay ANY attention to adequately supporting those left behind? It's a power race to the top and that's how it'll be with these iterations.
GIANKRATOS
Member
Of course they aren't entitled to it. Sony and co. can do whatever they want. But just because they can do it doesn't mean they should.
In this case, "getting with the times" basically means fundamentally violating one of the core tenets/purposes for the console market in the first place.
Modern tech that are not consoles.
Console generations are 5 or more years. You buy in knowing you're good until then, no worries about new hardware coming mid gen. With this shitty new method it fragments everything for developers and consumers. Developers will no longer have the benefit of coding to one box.
Sounds like bullshit to me. Especially since Sony has been pushing the concept of every PS4 being the same as a major selling point to developers for PSVR at GDC
Good point. I hope so.