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LA Times: Microsoft announces X360 pricing at lollapalooza 2005
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I actually think the harddrive being standard is more important for casual players than hardcore.
Why?
-Demos and Trailers. 64MB isn't going to cut it here. Casual players aren't browsing IGN for the latest trailers and they don't subscribe to gaming magazines for demos. This was a great oppurtunity to expose people to games they would otherwise never play.
-XBL Arcade. The service is designed for casual players and 64MB for downloadable games seems a bit lax. Not all XBL Arcade games are 2d puzzlers. They probably average only 10-20mb a game, but still.
Why?
-Demos and Trailers. 64MB isn't going to cut it here. Casual players aren't browsing IGN for the latest trailers and they don't subscribe to gaming magazines for demos. This was a great oppurtunity to expose people to games they would otherwise never play.
-XBL Arcade. The service is designed for casual players and 64MB for downloadable games seems a bit lax. Not all XBL Arcade games are 2d puzzlers. They probably average only 10-20mb a game, but still.
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Yuck. They should've just said "It's 400 bucks" and let that be that
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Yup. I know they wanted that golden "under $300 tagline), but minimum cost for an Xbox 360 anyhow is $340 because you at least MUST buy a memory card. So $60 more for basically a 20 gig memory card (plus whatever advantages the hard drive will bring for first party devs that decide to use it), plus all that other shit is the obvious choice for I think anyone that knows anything about games. This is just the price of ONE game more to get the added stuff. Ridiculous.
So all this really does for a gamer like me that sees this is fragment the user base and give devs more of a reason to not utilize the hard drive, and make me come on message boards and bitch about it. Thanks M$!
Yuck. They should've just said "It's 400 bucks" and let that be that
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Yup. I know they wanted that golden "under $300 tagline), but minimum cost for an Xbox 360 anyhow is $340 because you at least MUST buy a memory card. So $60 more for basically a 20 gig memory card (plus whatever advantages the hard drive will bring for first party devs that decide to use it), plus all that other shit is the obvious choice for I think anyone that knows anything about games. This is just the price of ONE game more to get the added stuff. Ridiculous.
So all this really does for a gamer like me that sees this is fragment the user base and give devs more of a reason to not utilize the hard drive, and make me come on message boards and bitch about it. Thanks M$!
Really, what makes you say that? It takes forever-and-a-day to rip soundtracks....plus the time it takes to type in the names with a software keyboard. I know hardcore people that didn't bother with that nonsense (myself included). I seriously doubt most users bother.bishoptl said:
Pimpbaa said:
Because you would think that when a company introduces a product line, they take the same elements from their first effort and expand on it.
The Xbox had a built-in HDD. The Xbox360 should have a built-in HDD.
Let's take this for an example:
- Original PS2 model didn't have any frills but allowed you to play DVD's with your controller. Then they released the network adapter which you could buy seperately.
- PSTwo released that includes the network adapter. Still offers DVD playback.
- PS3 will have the network adapter built-in and built-in movie playback.
You don't remove features once they're introduced. Plain and simple. You take what's there and expand on it.
The Faceless Master
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because people think speeding up loading is a great feature? or is that being ignored?PhatSaqs said:
The Faceless Master
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since we're in the anecdotal evidence phase, i'd like to say that everyone who's xbox i've seen has custom tracks ripped...border said:
So what percentage of the userbase has more than say, 50 ripped songs (you probably can't answer that for job reasons, but it's worth asking)? I can see people doing it just to try it out, but it seems like kind of a crippled feature considering that the system won't read CDRs and ripping a single song can take minutes. You might get high numbers if you ask users if they have any ripped music on their Xbox, but I'd be more curious about how many are consistently ripping and maintaining a large library.
Not to say that it won't be popular on X360, which is obviously going to have a much improved interface.
Not to say that it won't be popular on X360, which is obviously going to have a much improved interface.
Kleegamefan
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xsarien said:
And the fact the accessories are FRIGGIN EXPENSIVE...
I think the price of the $400 console, is fair, actually....
Border, you'd be surprised at the percentage of Xbox users who have at least 3 albums worth of music ripped to their hard drives. I thought that the newer Thompson/Samsung drives were able to read CD-Rs or CD-RWs - can somebody shed some light on this?
Anyways, in regards to the dearly-departed standard HDD I offer this serenade:
Anyways, in regards to the dearly-departed standard HDD I offer this serenade:
Player said:
The Faceless Master
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they all read RW, which is reusableborder said:
Well my point was that most people have a vast collection of music already on CD-R....so ripping those then burning to CD then ripping to Xbox adds another step to what's already a very tedious process.
Samsung drives were a temporary thing in Xbox, IIRC. You can't get them anymore.
Samsung drives were a temporary thing in Xbox, IIRC. You can't get them anymore.
HomerSimpson-Man
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Holy Crap!! This thread exploded!! I come after only a day away, sheesh!
I expected the console to be about this price but the accessories are way over priced. 50 dollars for wireless controllers is a lot of money.
I honestly don't know if I'm going to be a console gamer for that much longer unless Sony brings me a 300 dollar console with 50 dollar games. Or if the Revolution is 200 dollars I will buy it but even then it's going to have to bring me some killer games.
I honestly don't know if I'm going to be a console gamer for that much longer unless Sony brings me a 300 dollar console with 50 dollar games. Or if the Revolution is 200 dollars I will buy it but even then it's going to have to bring me some killer games.
The Faceless Master
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most people have a vast collection of music on pressed CD's... and those who have a collection on CDR apprarently don't have problems burning disks anyway...border said:
scarybore
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Hmm yummy, anyways on to the main event...
trmas said:
Yeah its quite amusing from my British perspective, We paid £30 for a PS2 memory card for instance compared to £22 for 360. Alot of accessories seems to be priced around the same as usual in fact for us.
I think some people fail to realise its not 1995 anymore, the world and the economy has changed and that just because a previous console had such a feature doesnt mean every console following it should have it (for better or worse).
Probably because they now need to pay Nvidia to emulate their code or some guff like that and the fee is included with the HD since you need one to use BC.
My take? MS took their eye off the ball and they're in big trouble now.
I thought MS was hungry. I thought MS was ready to dethrone Sony as the defacto standard in videogames. I guess I was wrong, because they had a great opportunity to pinch Sony BIGTIME on price, and they blew it.
Really, with all the billions Sony's sunk into CELL, and given the tough situations the consumer-electronics and movie divisions are in, MS could have brought Sony to their knees with a $329 or maybe even a $349 HDD-inclusive 360. MS would have jumped off to a quick start and Sony would have had to bleed hard to launch PS3 at a competitive price.
Now, Sony's got a "get-out-of-jail-free" card and MS just lost the advantages that an early launch, and aggressive price, and a HDD-enabled console could have brought them.
Me, I've decided I'm not going to pay for multiple consoles this gen. It's a one-console future for me, baby, and that means MS is -1 sale.
I thought MS was hungry. I thought MS was ready to dethrone Sony as the defacto standard in videogames. I guess I was wrong, because they had a great opportunity to pinch Sony BIGTIME on price, and they blew it.
Really, with all the billions Sony's sunk into CELL, and given the tough situations the consumer-electronics and movie divisions are in, MS could have brought Sony to their knees with a $329 or maybe even a $349 HDD-inclusive 360. MS would have jumped off to a quick start and Sony would have had to bleed hard to launch PS3 at a competitive price.
Now, Sony's got a "get-out-of-jail-free" card and MS just lost the advantages that an early launch, and aggressive price, and a HDD-enabled console could have brought them.
Me, I've decided I'm not going to pay for multiple consoles this gen. It's a one-console future for me, baby, and that means MS is -1 sale.
Marty Chinn
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Ugh, finally done with this thraed. It took me 3 hours to blow through it but good god. I haven't even looked anything else yet on GAF. Thanks to everyone who had their great one liners to mock everything. A lot of it was hilarious. Thanks to Dopey for keeping this thread completely absurd and even more entertaining with his insanity.
Nobody seemed to noticed that in the $399 pack, the remote that comes for a limited time, is a smaller and probably less functional version than the remote that they are selling. They aren't even giving you the real thing. I can't even begin to count the number of ways MS is bending people over in this announcement.
That being said, you gotta look at the positive side to all this. Microsoft won't have to worry about shortages at launch....
Nobody seemed to noticed that in the $399 pack, the remote that comes for a limited time, is a smaller and probably less functional version than the remote that they are selling. They aren't even giving you the real thing. I can't even begin to count the number of ways MS is bending people over in this announcement.
That being said, you gotta look at the positive side to all this. Microsoft won't have to worry about shortages at launch....
border said:
I never bothered with custom soundtracks on xbox because I didn't want to rip all my stuff again, but now I can just connect up my ipod, I'll definitely try it out.
IMO, HDD is overblown in terms of value. If you want your games to cache, buy the HDD version. If you want to download stuff, buy the HDD version. MS is all about LIVE, so don't worry about a lack of stuff to download because a few people don't have a HDD - MS will push that until you're sick of it.