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[Bojangles]

Fuck that.

There should be no need to promote your orientation in the guild. It doesn't belong.

Supposed I want to start a "Homophobe friendly" guild? That's not insulting is it? I'm not banning LGBT from my guild, just stating that we are going to be accomodating to homophobes?

Join a guild if you like it, you shouldn't need to check the title ahead of time to see if it's LGBT friendly. They all should be - by default, because none of that shit belongs in the GAME.

If some jack-hole is saying "Fag" a lot, complain to them, or to a GM.

Would a lack of guilds explicily saying LGBT-FRIENDLY, ruin a gay person's experience in WOW? No.

Does it ruin my experience to see guilds wearing their orientation on their sleeves? Yes. Just as it would ruin the experience to see guilds saying "Republican friendly" or "NeoNazi friendly" or "Chronic Masturbator friendly." None of that shit belongs in the game.

In fact, it's my opinion that their attempt to stop this kind of thing actually PROMOTES equality. "LGBT-Friendly" and otherwise is promoting at best elitism, and at worst harrassment and exlusion.

 

[RegularMK]

The fact that its even a deal at all is ridiculous. Why do you care if there's a guild called "We love male ass!" Seriously. How does it affect you? Maybe if they corpse camp your level 12 dwarf rogue, ok. If there's a guild called "We hate men who love male ass!" Then that's promoting hate. Hate leads to anger. Anger leads to fear. Fear leads to the dark side. 'Nuff said.

 

[Shogun]

One of the many clueless. I sure hope none of your kids turn out to be gay. Its no different from straight people talking about their girlfriends/boyfriends online. No one is saying "hey I'm gay!!" They are just talking about their lovers and lives. You know...like guilds do.

Not a surprise that you don't understand how the word "fag" is wrong, even if the net kiddies turned it into "stupid" Sort of like the idiots say that the N word doesn't have to mean black people, huh? a-bullshit! <excuse me>

The fact that this upsets you so much speaks volumes to me. I will never STFU and no one else should. Every day more and more feel this way.

I disagree with siege too, but perhaps there would be one less 'clueless' person in the world if you took the time to explain your point of view to them. Siege, being a Lesbian, Gay, Bi, or Transgendered person can make a person feel excluded from the flow of conversation and the over-riding culture of a particular place. It can cause many to feel undue shame, or a lack of cultural identity. Creating LGBT communities, and talking about LGBT issues helps people realize they aren't alone, and are in fact members of a growing and proud subculture with it's own social norms and traditions. I can understand that it might feel uncomfortable to some when it seems to be persistently a subject that a person isn't a part of, but realize that in discussing things that are uniquely part of a heterosexual culture we create the same feeling in those who differ from us.

 

[RunWhiteBoyRun]

Halo 2 playing over Live must suck for black gay people.. that's constant pain.

 

[RegularMK]

I disagree with siege too, but perhaps there would be one less 'clueless' person in the world if you took the time to explain your point of view to them. Siege, being a Lesbian, Gay, Bi, or Transgendered person can make a person feel excluded from the flow of conversation and the over-riding culture of a particular place. It can cause many to feel undue shame, or a lack of cultural identity. Creating LGBT communities, and talking about LGBT issues helps people realize they aren't alone, and are in fact members of a growing and proud subculture with it's own social norms and traditions. I can understand that it might feel uncomfortable to some when it seems to be persistently a subject that a person isn't a part of, but realize that in discussing things that are uniquely part of a heterosexual culture we create the same feeling in those who differ from us.

Damn straight. Er, you know what I mean.

 

[krypt0nian]

I disagree with siege too, but perhaps there would be one less 'clueless' person in the world if you took the time to explain your point of view to them.

Sorry, when someone comes with attitude, they get attitiude. He was telling me to STFU. Hardly a person that would listen to sense.

And again, if you read the thread, you'd know that the guilds are mostly straight people. No one is wearing anything on their sleeves. That phrase right there is more of a bullying tactic than what Bliz is doing. Be gay, just don't you ever speak of it.

Fuck that! :lol

 

[bill0527]

There's obviously a double standard here.

I saw someone running around the other day with a <BTIMF> guild tag. When I asked him what it meant, he said, Big Titties In My Face.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Some people never get it. Its ok.

No, your points clearly show you're the one not at all getting it.

 

[krypt0nian]

No, your points clearly show you're the one not at all getting it.

That's a very compelling point. I'll look into that.

 

[RegularMK]

There's obviously a double standard here.

I saw someone running around the other day with a <BTIMF> guild tag. When I asked him what it meant, he said, Big Titties In My Face.

Exactly. My whole point is that if people can be blatantly heterosexual, why can't they be blatantly homosexual? My guild got complaints for being called 'Sparkle Brigade' because it was too 'gay'. Luckily, a GM never actually found it homosexual or obviously we would have been forced to disband.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Why the fuck are so many people complaining about this Guild? Is it hurting you in any way? No. This is also about the fact that administrators are trying to keep people from revealing their sexual orientation in order to protect them from harassment (to the point where they are punished for creating potential harassment). You don't have to go to their GLBTG Guild.

 

[KINGMOKU]

Gaming is an escape. People are bringing thier real-world things into the virtual world?


What a bunch of morons.


"I'm Gay!" "Now i'm gay in a game!" "Yay!"

WTF? AGENDA DIE.

Holy crap, what the HELL is wrong with people?

 

[RevenantKioku]

That's a very compelling point. I'll look into that.

Why would you ever have to advertise a group as being GLBT friendly? It's just this air of faked superiority that bothers me.

 

[Ulairi]

Why the fuck are so many people complaining about this Guild? Is it hurting you in any way? No. This is also about the fact that administrators are trying to keep people from revealing their sexual orientation in order to protect them from harassment (to the point where they are punished for creating potential harassment). You don't have to go to their GLBTG Guild.

They could just start a mature guild of adults that enjoy playing the game. They wouldn't have to group the kiddies and would achieve their goals.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Gaming is an escape. People are bringing thier real-world things into the virtual world?


What a bunch of morons.


"I'm Gay!" "Now i'm gay in a game!" "Yay!"

WTF? AGENDA DIE.

Holy crap, what the HELL is wrong with people?

You're a dumbass.

If it were skin color, religion or heterosexuality, you wouldn't give half a shit, but when it's homosexuality, it's suddenly such a big fucking issue?

 

[krypt0nian]

Gaming is an escape. People are bringing thier real-world things into the virtual world?


What a bunch of morons.


"I'm Gay!" "Now i'm gay in a game!" "Yay!"

WTF? AGENDA DIE.

Holy crap, what the HELL is wrong with people?

Why would you ever have to advertise a group as being GLBT friendly? It's just this air of faked superiority that bothers me.

People talk about real life in guilds. People also would like a guild that doesn't treat them with disrespect. Most online gamers are twits. There ya go.

 

[RevenantKioku]

People talk about real life in guilds. People also would like a guild that doesn't treat them with disrespect. Most online gamers are twits. There ya go.

And yet, you still do not answer the question.

 

[A Link to the Past]

They could just start a mature guild of adults that enjoy playing the game. They wouldn't have to group the kiddies and would achieve their goals.

Okay? That still does not change the fact that administrators are making a twisted interpretation of the harassment rule and basically saying "if you say you're gay, you get banned. For your own protection."

 

[RegularMK]

Yes. In a game that millions of people play in, together, formulating a community... real life issues get brought in because real people are interacting with each other. An attempt to block all "reality" from a game where so many people communicate together would remind me of this:

And exaggeration, for sure. But how else do you expect that to even be possible?

 

[krypt0nian]

And yet, you still do not answer the question.

I thought I had many times. It pre-screens for the homophobic hatred gene. It lets people know the expected behaviors up front. It gives those of us that have to deal with idiocy on a day to day basis a refuge. It makes Jesus happy.

So where again are the bad things here? Or did you just pop into the thread to say hi?

 

[conker]

Complete bullshit - Blizzard can do what they want with their game.

That line about online games being public domain is a joke.

However, the court will probably see it differently - and incorrectly (from a legal standpoint), and Blizzard will change its mind to avoid bad press.

Who honestly gives a fuck? I bet she was spamming "JOIN OUR GAY GUILD PLZ!" on the yell channel, like every other guild whore.

The achilles heel of the MMO genre is the MMO aspect.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Since when is a privately-owned server the same thing as a place of business or a public library? Shouldn't Blizzard be allowed to decide what is or isn't appropriate on their servers? This is barely even a gay issue at all.

 

[RegularMK]

I'm not arguing the legality here. I believe blizzard has the right to do what they want with their severs, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Complete bullshit - Blizzard can do what they want with their game.

That line about online games being public domain is a joke.

However, the court will probably see it differently - and incorrectly (from a legal standpoint), and Blizzard will change its mind to avoid bad press.

Who honestly gives a fuck? I bet she was spamming "JOIN OUR GAY GUILD PLZ!" on the yell channel, like every other guild whore.

The achilles heel of the MMO genre is the MMO aspect.

That'd be a good point, assuming it wasn't pay to play.

Ignore the idea that this may or may not be legal - tell me, are you actually saying this kind of behavior is acceptable in this day and age?

 

[krypt0nian]

I bet she was spamming "JOIN OUR GAY GUILD PLZ!" on the yell channel, like every other guild whore.

So if you're wrong here, what does that say about the rest of your post?

Spoiler

Its my guild, I know her IRL and she spams nothing.

 

[siege]

Being a heterosexual male, if I were to make the statement that I like big titties in guild chat, I wouldn't take offense to being called a pervert. Why do homosexuals take offense to the word fag being used, especially when it's usually directed at someone in a non-discriminating context?

I just feel as if this is another case of homosexuals trumpeting their sexual orientation and blowing things out of proportion.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Being a heterosexual male, if I were to make the statement that I like big titties in guild chat, I wouldn't take offense to being called a pervert. Why do homosexuals take offense to the word fag being used, especially when it's usually directed at someone in a non-discriminating context?

:lol

Yeah, being card a pervert is easily as offensive as someone using hate speech!

Would you say the same thing if someone was offended after being called the "n word"?

 

[Kai Dracon]

Gaming is an escape. People are bringing thier real-world things into the virtual world?


What a bunch of morons.


"I'm Gay!" "Now i'm gay in a game!" "Yay!"

WTF? AGENDA DIE.

Holy crap, what the HELL is wrong with people?

Okay, no offense dude, but here's a clue.

One of the primary reasons gay/lesbian people feel the need to create "safe" environments, even in yes, OMFGWTF an online game, is because of the absurd amount of shit they can reasonably be expected to get *just for existing*.

Want to talk about virtual worlds only? Fine. You're on the Internet. Look around.

It's full of e-klan members, miserable shits who go online to spew venom, bile, homophobia, bigotry, and whateve else becuase it's a wonderful videogame to them; they won't get punched in the mouth for being a shithead neanderthal.

If people didn't have to fear getting slammed with "OMG FAGS DIE" shit if someone gets a hint that say, they're gay, they wouldn't feel the need to promote that yes, hey guys, here's a place that isn't full of more miserable Internet shitheads.

It's wonderful how this "blame the victim" mentality always comes up. Do some gay people have an "activist agenda"? Sure. Just like some black people, asian people, latino people, and oh yes, a lot of white people do.

In WoW, people are just trying to advertise a asshole-free environment - Guilds are -where- people talk about whatever, not just the game. They're not trying to form the Legion of Gay Elves to run around role-playing gay elves in the game itself (yet :lol unless I already missed a guild for that one :lol )

This is one case where there's no "agenda". It's just an indicator of how incredibly awful online gamers tend to be, that people are this concerned about the problem.

 

[RevenantKioku]

I thought I had many times. It pre-screens for the homophbic gene. It lets people know the expected behaviors up front. It gives those of us that have to deal with idiocy on a day to day basis a refuge. It makes Jesus happy.

So where again are the bad things here? Or did you just pop into the thread to say hi?

There's nothing bad about it per-say, just the presentation. You're a friendly group of players? Don't tolerate insults. I don't see how sexuality needs to play into it. Or are racial slurs okay? Get my point? You're preaching tolerance, but it's in an annoying way.

Then again, I'm a vulgar, mean fuck, and couldn't stand the way too happy people in my guild, which is partly why I quit WoW.

 

[krypt0nian]

Being a heterosexual male, if I were to make the statement that I like big titties in guild chat, I wouldn't take offense to being called a pervert. Why do homosexuals take offense to the word fag being used, especially when it's usually directed at someone in a non-discriminating context?

I just feel as if this is another case of homosexuals trumpeting their sexual orientation and blowing things out of proportion.

Because like the N word, it already has a negative meaning. The fact that the net kids also made it mean "stupid" is beside the point. Just as I said above, it the same as ignorant folks trying to say that they use the N word but they don't mean black people.

And you are wrong again about anyone trumpeting anything. Its the gay fear thing acting up.

 

[RegularMK]

If you want to make a guild where gays, lesbians and the like can get together and socialize freely, what's wrong with that? To gather a group of such people, having a guild name like "Gays For the Alliance" would help out. Is that wrong? Its not there just to announce: "Hey! We're gay!" Its there so other gays can find them and join and have their sexuality more openly accepted.

Why is this even a problem? If all the going-ons are happening in guild chat, all you have to see is their name: "Gays for the Alliance". Is that somehow offensive?

 

[Fusebox]

Being a heterosexual male, if I were to make the statement that I like big titties in guild chat, I wouldn't take offense to being called a pervert. Why do homosexuals take offense to the word fag being used, especially when it's usually directed at someone in a non-discriminating context?

Wtf? They take offence because people are using a word that describes their sexual orientation as a substitute for anything negative or derogatory. Or am I just getting old and all the kids say "thats gay" to mean something is actually cool these days?

 

[conker]

Homosexuals love to play the victim.
Same goes for most minorities.

And - Pay to play makes it PRIVATE, not PUBLIC.
Perhaps you should read up on the definitions of these words.
It's a membership. You opt in. You pay. You have access. If you disagree with the terms, don't play.

Blizzard has every legal right to do what they did. And it was a smart move. If the Gay guild goes running around yelling "WE'RE GAY JOIN OUR GUILD!" (and they WILL) then people will harass them, and make anti-gay guilds.

Blizzard doesn't do anything unless you do something flagrant or someone complains. What this basically means is that someone didn't like their guild and they complained about it.

It's perfectly fine for them to ban such a fuild because it's their legal right and if they allowed it, it would open the doors to a hell of a lot of problems.

Look at this thread's original title, calling Blizzard's policies anti-gay. Play the victim much?
YES.

 

[krypt0nian]

Kaijima totally gets it.

Its the same reason so many people self identify here at GAF.

Because its known as being gay friendly.

 

[krypt0nian]

Homosexuals love to play the victim.
Same goes for most minorities.

And - Pay to play makes it PRIVATE, not PUBLIC.
Perhaps you should read up on the definitions of these words.
It's a membership. You opt in. You pay. You have access. If you disagree with the terms, don't play.

Blizzard has every legal right to do what they did. And it was a smart move. If the Gay guild goes running around yelling "WE'RE GAY JOIN OUR GUILD!" (and they WILL) then people will harass them, and make anti-gay guilds.

Blizzard doesn't do anything unless you do something flagrant or someone complains. What this basically means is that someone didn't like their guild and they complained about it.

It's perfectly fine for them to ban such a fuild because it's their legal right and if they allowed it, it would open the doors to a hell of a lot of problems.

Look at this thread's original title, calling Blizzard's policies anti-gay. Play the victim much?
YES.

Straight white male viewpoint. Never been the victim of racial/religious/orientation discrimination, and hates it when people "claim" it exists.

And thanks for reading the thread.....the title has already been addressed correctly.

 

[siege]

Because like the N word, it already has a negative meaning. The fact that the net kids also made it mean "stupid" is beside the point. Just as I said above, it the same as ignorant folks trying to say that they use the N word but they don't mean black people.

And you are wrong again about anyone trumpeting anything. Its the gay fear thing acting up.

It's not gay fear. I have no problem with homosexuals at all (I actively partake in heterosexual anal activity, so I'm defintely an open minded person :lol ) My problem is with them demanding rights in a video game.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Homosexuals love to play the victim.
Same goes for most minorities.

And - Pay to play makes it PRIVATE, not PUBLIC.
Perhaps you should read up on the definitions of these words.
It's a membership. You opt in. You pay. You have access. If you disagree with the terms, don't play.

Blizzard has every legal right to do what they did. And it was a smart move. If the Gay guild goes running around yelling "WE'RE GAY JOIN OUR GUILD!" (and they WILL) then people will harass them, and make anti-gay guilds.

Blizzard doesn't do anything unless you do something flagrant or someone complains. What this basically means is that someone didn't like their guild and they complained about it.

It's perfectly fine for them to ban such a fuild because it's their legal right and if they allowed it, it would open the doors to a hell of a lot of problems.

Look at this thread's original title, calling Blizzard's policies anti-gay. Play the victim much?
YES.

Conker, you didn't even answer my question. Are you telling me that this kind of behavior in this day and age is acceptable?

And getting punished for referring to yourself as homosexual is pretty much anti-homosexual.

 

[RevenantKioku]

Straight white male viewpoint. Never been the victim of racial/religious/orientation discrimination, and hates it when people "claim" it exists.

Straight white male never felt discriminated or pain! Ever! Life is always easy for straight white male!

 

[FlameOfCallandor]

Blizzard cannot issue a blanket ban on any mention of sexual orientation or gender identity.

Sure they can, especially when kids are playing. It's Blizzard's world they can do whatever they fuck they want.

 

[Y2Kev]

There's a guild of Brokeback Mountaineers?

That's fucking awesome!

And yeah, if a guild wants to be LGBT-Friendly, let them be. I don't see why that is inherently offensive or anything. WoW is so amazingly immersive that it could practically qualify as its own sociology study.

 

[RegularMK]

Homosexuals love to play the victim.
Same goes for most minorities.

And - Pay to play makes it PRIVATE, not PUBLIC.
Perhaps you should read up on the definitions of these words.
It's a membership. You opt in. You pay. You have access. If you disagree with the terms, don't play.

Blizzard has every legal right to do what they did. And it was a smart move. If the Gay guild goes running around yelling "WE'RE GAY JOIN OUR GUILD!" (and they WILL) then people will harass them, and make anti-gay guilds.

Blizzard doesn't do anything unless you do something flagrant or someone complains. What this basically means is that someone didn't like their guild and they complained about it.

It's perfectly fine for them to ban such a fuild because it's their legal right and if they allowed it, it would open the doors to a hell of a lot of problems.

Look at this thread's original title, calling Blizzard's policies anti-gay. Play the victim much?
YES.

Nipping the problem in the butt apparently prevents a very helpful way of getting people with like interests together. It'd be one thing to ban hateful guild titles, but stopping people from just being openly gay seems silly to me.

Once again, I'm not arguing legality. Just the ethics of it.

 

[A Link to the Past]

It's not gay fear. I have no problem with homosexuals at all (I actively partake in heterosexual anal activity, so I'm defintely an open minded person :lol ) My problem is with them demanding rights in a video game.

Why is this any different from black people being able to flaunt their race in WoW? Why is that okay, but it is not okay for someone to flaunt their sexuality?

And having ass sex with a woman isn't what I would call proving yourself to be gay friendly.

 

[krypt0nian]

Straight white male never felt discriminated or pain! Ever! Life is always easy for straight white male!

Are you really going to make this arguement? Are you going to put the straight white male in the discriminated column?

 

[siege]

Why is this any different from black people being able to flaunt their race in WoW? Why is that okay, but it is not okay for someone to flaunt their sexuality?

And having ass sex with a woman isn't what I would call proving yourself to be gay friendly.

I've never seen black people flaunt their race in WoW. *shrugs*

And I mean't I enjoy women ass sexing me.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

wouldnt having to pay to play on blizzards "owned" servers be considered you know "private"? I just cant go to the local public library and log into a random public WoW terminal with Randon WoW character.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Straight white male never felt discriminated or pain! Ever! Life is always easy for straight white male!

Because straight white males have it better. Not to say they have no problems, but to claim that they have it as bad for being straight, for being white or for being male is just a stupid thing to say.

 

[RegularMK]

Apparently I'm not overt enough because no one will argue back at me.

Argue back, damn it!

 

[RevenantKioku]

Are you really going to make this arguement? Are you going to put the straight whilt male in the discriminated column?

No, I'm just gonna get you to point out how hypocritical you are. Thanks.

 

[A Link to the Past]

I've never seen black people flaunt their race in WoW. *shrugs*

And I mean't I enjoy women ass sexing me.

Yeah, but that doesn't make you gay friendly just because she uses something shaped like a penis. Just means you're sexually comfortable. You're not enjoying sex with a man, you're enjoying sex with a woman. It wouldn't be straight sex if two lesbians were playing with a dildo, would it?

 

[krypt0nian]

No, I'm just gonna get you to point out how hypocritical you are. Thanks.

You sure haven't done that. Quite the opposite.