FlameOfCallandor
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A Link to the Past said:
They have it better huh? How so? You should tell that to the admissions officer who wouldn't let me in because I wasn't a minority. I couldn't fit a quota! What kind of bullshit is that?
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Lambda Legal slamdunks Blizzard's anit-gay guild policy.
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They have it better huh? How so? You should tell that to the admissions officer who wouldn't let me in because I wasn't a minority. I couldn't fit a quota! What kind of bullshit is that?
ZombieSupaStar
Member
krypt0nian said:
nah, dont worry we are used to be getting blamed for everything.
A Link to the Past
Banned
RegularMK said:Apparently I'm not overt enough because no one will argue back at me.
Argue back, damn it!
Everything you said was stupid.
There, happy?
A Link to the Past
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FlameOfCallandor said:
So you're saying that because you have some problems, that you have it just as bad as minorities? I would worry about the high level of racism and racial profiling before I worry about having less of a chance of getting a job.
krypt0nian
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Y2Kevbug11 said:
I want to sex up your hot Tauren ass.
an example of what the guilds are not doing in game.
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
krypt0nian said:
You just did it. Lumping the whole "straight white males" group together in that bullshit of the "Oh you straight white males never understand the pain or loneliness we gays/blacks/women/whatever go through." just the same way you assume your hated "straight white males" group lumps you together.
Get the fuck over yourselves.
We all have our own hardships be it through going against our sexuality, race, religion (how DARE you say "white straight males" never felt the pain of being persecuted for religion? Sit back and look at history for a fucking minute!) or for having a goddamned "funny looking face." Being ugly. Being different.
No one really wants to hear that you're this/that/that other thing tolerant. You're a group of tolerant, friendly people. Pinpoint that as your focus. Stop bringing the differences to a head. They're there, and the people who can't deal with it will be kicked out. It's simple enough.
FlameOfCallandor
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A Link to the Past said:
I forgot that all minorities have to worry about racial profiling. My bad dog.
AdmiralViscen
Banned
If someone calls you a fag, or treats you wrong, have them banned. There are systems in place to deal with assholes like that.
Blizzard should have the right to restrict whatever they want on their private servers.
Blizzard should have the right to restrict whatever they want on their private servers.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
Just skimmed the article and the rest of this thread but why would Bizzard care about a "GLBT friendly" guild anyway? I'm assuming "GLBT friendly" means both striaght and gay are welcome right? Homosexuality isn't a requirement for membership right?
A Link to the Past
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FlameOfCallandor said:
Just a guess, but I'm going to say that minorities experience racial profiling just a wee bit more than whites.
krypt0nian
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Jive Turkey said:
Correct. Most of our members are straight. Big happy family.
Bojangles said:
You may want to take note of this comment, Krypt0nian. Making your arguments with aloof, I'm-more-enlightened-than-you comments are not going to win many people over to your point of view, and shut down debate, rather than open it. It may be stand-offs like that which Blizzard is trying to avoid with this policy. Perhaps they would rather shut out the issue, offending some in the process, and leave it for someone else to deal with another time. It may be cowardly, but Blizzard has the right to do whatever they want with their servers. That's the nature of property.
Where do I personally stand on the issue? What would I do if I were Blizzard? I see both sides, and consequently, I have no idea.
Jive Turkey
Unconfirmed Member
So why does Blizzard care either way? They afraid that a guild that has openly gay players will spread "OMGZ teh gay!"?krypt0nian said:
krypt0nian
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Jive Turkey said:
They claim that soliciting for a glbt-friendly guild attracts hositiity. The reason for such guilds is as a refuge from such open hostility. Any temporary hostility in general chat that may or may not be had is well worth the freedom from it in guild play. So they pretty much have no point, unless they want to throw the baby out with the bath water.
I remember 20 years ago when I used to sit on a couch and play some Mario Bros. or Mega Man. It was simple and fun. Now it seems everyday I read something else about someone piggy backing on videogames as the culprit for the downfall of humanity.
As much as my job and life revolve around videogames I hope there is another industry crash and the sooner the better. That way the only thing to rise from the ashes of blame, conspiracy, lawsuits, and hate will be the games that exist only for fun and not shock value or corporate greed.
I really hope one day I'll be able to describe videogames to the next generation of kids the way that I grew up with them and not feel ashamed of what that term and culture is being dragged through.
As much as my job and life revolve around videogames I hope there is another industry crash and the sooner the better. That way the only thing to rise from the ashes of blame, conspiracy, lawsuits, and hate will be the games that exist only for fun and not shock value or corporate greed.
I really hope one day I'll be able to describe videogames to the next generation of kids the way that I grew up with them and not feel ashamed of what that term and culture is being dragged through.
krypt0nian
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BTW straight from Ms. Shimmre herself
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7001641&p=1&tmp=1#post7001641
Go OZ Guild!
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=7001641&p=1&tmp=1#post7001641
Go OZ Guild!
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Awww everything got resolved before I got a chance to post! Now nobody will know my extremist views!
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
This is fucking stupid, why would someones sexual orientation even come up in a game like this. I've probably played with gay or lesbian people with all the mmorpgs i've played its never been a big deal. If the people really want to organize on such a level that they are rounding up gay and lesbian R/L players , they should just use the forums for their server, and have a guild web page. Shit thats how HoS keeps everything in order, tons of players across several games.Not spamming IF oh god the channel has no more room. All in all im POSITIVE there is a more pressing matter for lambda, and blizzard , and ME so peace.
krypt0nian
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DonasaurusRex said:
Someone didn't read the thread as all of that was covered, and you have basic facts wrong.
A Link to the Past
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krypt0nian said:
If that's representative of the WoW community, the WoW community is dumb. The grief of playing with these idiots isn't worth it.
DonasaurusRex
Online Ho Champ
krypt0nian said:
There really arent any facts in that post, just a rant about how both sides went way over the top on this issue. Why blizzard would do something in the magnitude of banning people is just beyond me. And why an activist group thinks it can tell blizzard to respond to demands that they stop doing something in THEIR fucking game world. The world you basically sign an agreement that says ..yeah we do what we want , and you just play here. Theres no going to one part of the EULA and saying oh see you cant tell me this and that and...sheit , blizzard reserves the right to do whatever the fuck it wants to do in Azeroth. Considering how blizzard decided to handle it, sounds like some people got emails/banned by a few GM's that made the wrong/misinformed judgement call. Its all over the WoW general forums.
krypt0nian
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siege said:
If you're acting like WOW posters agreeing with you means someting, it may be the opposite of what you want here. You don't know Shimmre. I do. You're wrong.
Yamauchi said:
Wow, and you read the thread? There is a huge need when playing in a community of "LOZ GAY" "FAG FTL!" Have you played WOW? Heterosexuals wouldn't need one as they are not hated with such venom. And for the record, the GLBT are by nature heterosexual friendly as the majority of the members are in fact straight, which you would have known if you read the thread like you say.
Yes, I did read the thread. Your points don't make sense. You say there should be gay-friendly guilds which, according to you, are mainly populated by heterosexuals. If we were to be equal, then there would be straight-friendly guilds populated mainly by homosexuals. The entire idea is stupid. It doesn't make sense. I don't understand why homosexuals want special treatment which further seperates them; why not just support complete equality and stop these ridiculous double standards? Reading the thread with your 300 replies doesn't change the fact that sexuality has nothing to do with WoW. Have I played WoW? Is Bengkulu a major palm oil production center?krypt0nian said:
AndoCalrissian
Member
I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. If I was making a guild, I wouldn't advertise that it was "gay friendly", I'd just say that I was making a guild. The person starting the guild should have realized that sexual orientation politics really are not something that need to be brought into World of Warcraft; it's an environment where the grand majority of the people on the server are going to be strangers.
Blizzard didn't need to say anything, but neither did the guild creator in the first place. I say there is no problem, and if there was the blame should be split down the middle.
Blizzard didn't need to say anything, but neither did the guild creator in the first place. I say there is no problem, and if there was the blame should be split down the middle.
AndoCalrissian
Member
I don't think anyone needs any empathy. The world has far too fucking much of that.Flynn said:
Cerebral Palsy
Banned
I don't see the problem with Blizzards stance. As long as they are banning all guilds from advertising any preferences I really see no issue. It's not like Blizzard is just singling out gay people here.
And if they do choose to allow gay friendly guilds they should allow all guilds to advertise any member preferences they have. Be it race, sex, religion, or politics. Kind of opening pandora's box if you ask me.
And if they do choose to allow gay friendly guilds they should allow all guilds to advertise any member preferences they have. Be it race, sex, religion, or politics. Kind of opening pandora's box if you ask me.
TJ Bennett
TJ Hooker
Yamauchi said:
Hahaha, couldn't have said it any better. Nice to find a logical levelheaded response in this thread.
The Faceless Master
Member
the good that can come out of this is a possibly succesful attack against EULA's and online TOS
krypt0nian
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Yamauchi said:
Please point out the double-standard. If you want a straight-friendly group, you have it automatically as straight people are not hated as a whole by bigots. So what is your point again? Sexuality has nothing to do with this. Just the need for a hate free zone while playing the game, which I'm getting as a paying customer.
Cerebral Palsy said:
Bliz already changed their minds. And there are already Christian-friendly and Republican Guilds. They didn't ban anyone for those though.
What? ITS A GAME. I don't care if they have green skin, worship hedgehogs, or are A-SEXUAL.A Link to the Past said:
ITS A GAME. I DONT NEED TO KNOW ANY OF THAT.
How often do you stop mid-battle, and ask, "hey, you gay?" "Hey, you black?" "Hey you muslim?"
WHO THE FUCK CARES. PLAY THE GAME AND STFU.
This is NOT about Homosexuality, it's about who the hell cares if you are anything, it's a damn game. LEAVE THE REAL WORLD OUT OF IT.
Fucking asshats trying to make EVERYTHING a political fucking movement.
krypt0nian
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moku said:
LOLZ No one is actually saying that they are gay in the guild solits so you really have no platform for your post. They are indeed keeping their sexuality out of it so you should be happy, huh?
Maybe it's just me, but when I play HaloPC, and someone wants to start talking to me(Even on my own team) about something outside of the game, I ignore them, or just leave the server.krypt0nian said:
It's almost like having your wife barge in on your sexual dream asking "Who the hell is SHE!?!?"
When I play a game, i'm in a game. Not to be bothered with small-talk and such. That's why I come here.
I don't understand why some people have to spill thier guts, or join factions based on anything OTHER then game sets. Leave the REAL world out of a fantasy land. Otherwise it'll turn into FOX NEWS.
I'm going to go throw up now.
krypt0nian
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And please check the link to the WOW forums I posted to see why the GLBT-friendly groups are needed more than ever. They proves the point by railing against it with such ignorance and blind hatred.
And well after the point where Bliz backed down as they should have.
People in guild talk about their real life, their girlfriends, jobs, kids...whatever. This is no different. Since you aren't social, no one should be. Good plan.
And since they didn't declare themselves as gay at all, you'll admit you have no point in your previous post? Cool.
And well after the point where Bliz backed down as they should have.
moku said:
People in guild talk about their real life, their girlfriends, jobs, kids...whatever. This is no different. Since you aren't social, no one should be. Good plan.
And since they didn't declare themselves as gay at all, you'll admit you have no point in your previous post? Cool.
Okay, from what I read of Blizzard's actual policy, this would basically apply to any group if they said they were, say 'Christian Friendly' or 'Asian friendly', but this being the only example publicized does seem to paint Blizzard in a bit more sinister tone than I think the policy was meant to imply.
PS I do think that particular rule is at best, WAY too open to bad interpretation.
PS I do think that particular rule is at best, WAY too open to bad interpretation.
araganekyassuru
Banned
why do gays have to be so in your face all the time? I'm not running around screaming I like girls...
I bet less people would have a problem with gays if they stopped with all the gay marches and what not
I bet less people would have a problem with gays if they stopped with all the gay marches and what not
A Link to the Past
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araganekyassuru said:
Yeah, kind of like how there shouldn't have been civil rights parades? :lol
No one would argue that, but because homosexuality isn't accepted nowadays, pride marches are labelled as a cry for attention, while womens' rights marches and civil rights' marches are considered worthy of occuring.
araganekyassuru
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A Link to the Past said:
gays can vote and ride on any bus they like
they have nothing to march for
A Link to the Past
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araganekyassuru said:
Discrimination, for one? Just because it isn't official policy in the US to outlaw homosexuals from having certain jobs, or joining the military, or not being lynched, does not mean that they don't get discriminated against. The fact of the matter is that instead of striving to give them same rights as others, they're actually trying to restrict their rights. There was (or still may be) a law against homosexual sodomy in Texas, and they could put you in jail for it. And of course, we all know about religious rights and politicians advocating laws preventing them from getting married or adopting children.
I recall someone bringing up this issue way back about the misuse of the word gay on the Khazgoroth World of Warcraft forums. Personally, I found the whole issue pretty weak.
Why should it be a concern of Blizzards of how words are controlled and the online experience? It's just because the gay/lesbian/ect. minority get so offensive on the issue. It is an online game; Blizzard shouldn’t get the blame or have any bearing on how the uses of such words are used during a game.
It is discriminating from these guilds to not allow members, who are not LGBT etc., and I think it was a good point for Blizzard to avoid people from so openly expressing such behaviour, which will only result in divided people and opinions on servers.
Out of all of this I’ve come to the conclusion that the LGBT are far too sensitive on the entire subject. If they can’t look pass the immature population of WOW and its users then there’s much to learn. They are just beginning a completely new problem for the game – dividing it, and opening up the opportunity of further discrimination.
I just can’t believe this issue grew this much.
Why should it be a concern of Blizzards of how words are controlled and the online experience? It's just because the gay/lesbian/ect. minority get so offensive on the issue. It is an online game; Blizzard shouldn’t get the blame or have any bearing on how the uses of such words are used during a game.
It is discriminating from these guilds to not allow members, who are not LGBT etc., and I think it was a good point for Blizzard to avoid people from so openly expressing such behaviour, which will only result in divided people and opinions on servers.
Out of all of this I’ve come to the conclusion that the LGBT are far too sensitive on the entire subject. If they can’t look pass the immature population of WOW and its users then there’s much to learn. They are just beginning a completely new problem for the game – dividing it, and opening up the opportunity of further discrimination.
I just can’t believe this issue grew this much.