lmao I can already picture it
Lars Andersen: a new level of archery
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BreezyLimbo
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And then search for old photos of samurais, or archery competitions were they do it traditionally (Tibet, etc.), or old paintings, and it's on the right.
Yeah, it's weird how people are trained to put the arrow to the left side. When you're drawing with your right hand, the most efficient thing to do would be to aim it on the right side.
Nikodemos
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That's because in modern archery people don't use their left thumb to prop the arrow. Doing so causes friction burns (and eventually calluses) to develop, which, while acceptable to a 13th century military archer, aren't exactly fashionable to a modern-day sporting practitioner. Remember that professional military archers had all sorts of anatomical quirks due to their lifelong bow use.
EDIT: The current sporting archery grip (leftside arrow, three finger grip) is derived from a foot-bound hunting stance, rather than a fighting one. When hunting, the archer stands still (so as not to alert the prey), shoots from a relatively short distance (to make sure the deer/whatever doesn't have time to bolt), and needs maximum precision (since there's no chance of a second shot). Another difference is sighting the arrow rather than relying on muscle memory to aim.
Watched a few clips on youtube. Man that's some dreadful camera work, I literally can't see shit...
The Duellists is fantastic though. One of the best debut director movies ever made.
freethought
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This post confused the fuck out of me. I was thinking 'all of this in a movie about Nazis coming back from the moon?' and then I realised I was thinking of Iron Sky.
Also, it's cool that this guy rediscovered some old techniques but I missed the part of the Bayeux Tapestry where the archers were doing sick wall plants and shooting in mid air.
As for that sword guy, I imagine actually getting into a conversation with him about the topic would be unbearable. Why does that article have such an adversarial tone?
a secret-boss
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Realife Hawkguy/Arrow
Also noticed that Ashitaka in Princess Mononoke puts it on the right sideAnd then search for old photos of samurais, or archery competitions were they do it traditionally (Tibet, etc.), or old paintings, and it's on the right.
At one point he also catches an arrow and fires it back. Hayao Miyazaki did Anderson before Anderson.
Mighty Chin
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Ha I just made a thread that's now closed. Used search and didn't see it.
I always love the people that want to shit all over something that's impressive.
I always love the people that want to shit all over something that's impressive.
The short answer is they simply don't care enough. But to be fair, modern archery has been stuck in a comfort zone for a long, long time and has seen no reason to spice things up. I agree that contemporary archery could use a bit more variety. Much as I love it, traditional competition shooting isn't the most visually engaging sport on the planet - it's similar to golf in that regard. People see kick-ass archery stuff like what you see in movies or videos similar to Anderson's, only to find out that modern archery is dull by comparison.
Coreda
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Such a boss scene. Included it in the OP of the badass characters thread:
A couple of gifs to kick things off:
And then search for old photos of samurais, or archery competitions were they do it traditionally (Tibet, etc.), or old paintings, and it's on the right.
Modern Kyūdō practitioners use the same technique. Granted Kyūdō is a martial art and not a sport, so competition and hitting the target aren't the focus. Here's a neat video about it.
I appreciate that more than some faux American military poser bullshit.
Always-honest
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Wow.. Haha. I never did it that way. Thanx for searching dude. I always let the arrow slide over my thumb, so to speak.
Like you, i never noticed people did it the other way around.
Thanx. Never knew this.
I was wondering where the salt was and then I reached the mallninja thread. LOL.
Mythbusters should cover if it's possible to catch an arrow at 30fps
Phantast2k
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Wow.
I cringed really hard at the end there...
I cringed really hard at the end there...
BouncyFrag
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The next Elder Scrolls game needs some of this.
Must be Zelda fans.And then search for old photos of samurais, or archery competitions were they do it traditionally (Tibet, etc.), or old paintings, and it's on the right.
Olympics archery is ridiculous in its current form, with all their fancy bows. And I agree they should add some form of athleticism in their sport.
Instead of trying to axe wrestling.
Yup. Sword play in Hollywood is also all wrong. Basically, most things the common person knows about the past is inaccurate. Doesn't matter if it's cowboys, knights, archers, ninjas, etc. All wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_Q3CGqZmg
Basically Hollywood chose entertainment over accuracy. Can't blame them, problem is, people believe that what Hollywood shows is real.
BouncyFrag
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I love this pic and checking out all the details. Lol at the Loofy's Zelda fans comment.And then search for old photos of samurais, or archery competitions were they do it traditionally (Tibet, etc.), or old paintings, and it's on the right.
MickeyKnox
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Yup. Sword play in Hollywood is also all wrong. Basically, most things the common person knows about the past is inaccurate. Doesn't matter if it's cowboys, knights, archers, ninjas, etc. All wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_Q3CGqZmg
Basically Hollywood chose entertainment over accuracy. Can't blame them, problem is, people believe that what Hollywood shows is real.
These guys are great too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc
Ace Harding
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For a guy that obviously has ridiculous hand-eye coordination he seems so... uncoordinated.
lastplayed
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Yup. Sword play in Hollywood is also all wrong. Basically, most things the common person knows about the past is inaccurate. Doesn't matter if it's cowboys, knights, archers, ninjas, etc. All wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_Q3CGqZmg
Basically Hollywood chose entertainment over accuracy. Can't blame them, problem is, people believe that what Hollywood shows is real.
I've seen people basically sprinting in full plate mail, a terrifying sight. It's a world away from the common misconception that fully armoured knights were slow lumbering tanks.
Nikodemos
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A mordhau versus a halbschwert thrust. The guy performing the mordhau wins, since the thrust doesn't hit anything, whereas the smash at least rattles his opponent's brainbox. The thrust is particularly ineffective against this particular foot knight, since he appears to be wearing great harness, that is, maille under plate (eliminating the weak spots like inner thighs, armpits or inner elbows). You'd need an estoc to rend the maille with any reliability.Yup. Sword play in Hollywood is also all wrong. Basically, most things the common person knows about the past is inaccurate. Doesn't matter if it's cowboys, knights, archers, ninjas, etc. All wrong.
You could even swim in harness, although it took a relatively specific technique to keep yourself afloat and you needed to be in peak physical state. Also, it was important for you not to be roaring drunk; Frederic Barbarossa disregarded this point.
And nothing in CHR. Truly a dump stat.
Estoc means thrust.
Nikodemos
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I was refering to the bladeless piercing sword.
The techniques he was showing off were mostly used by archers on horseback, and would often be used for "hit-and-run" attacks. The "parkour" movement's he's doing are mostly just for show. The idea was to fire as many arrows in quick succession as possible before having to take he time to reach back into the quiver to grab more - which can be cumbersome while riding a horse in the heat of a battle. Notice he doesn't show off many shots that take place from a great distance away, it's because the technique of firing arrows he shows doesn't allow for it (many times he's not drawing the bowstring all the way back). Despite that, recurve composite bows like the one the Mongols used were very capable at long distance - which they absolutely took advantage of when they could.
Here's another video from a few years ago showing the same technique that Anderson shows off in his video - only they actually show it being used on horseback. It's pretty cool.
Heck, here's a video of an actual horseback archery competition. (warning: loud music)
BreezyLimbo
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Yup, estoc is also a type of blade.
I learned real sword combat fighting thanks to the show Bones, where you hold the blade in order to smash it in better.
But seriously, this is cool stuff. It makes me wonder what kind of stuff there was back in the day in terms of how they did things that are lost today.
Edit-In that video of the horseback riding, that's amazing. But I notice he's aiming the arrow on the left side of the bow, I wonder if he would be able to fire faster using the right?
I learned real sword combat fighting thanks to the show Bones, where you hold the blade in order to smash it in better.
But seriously, this is cool stuff. It makes me wonder what kind of stuff there was back in the day in terms of how they did things that are lost today.
Edit-In that video of the horseback riding, that's amazing. But I notice he's aiming the arrow on the left side of the bow, I wonder if he would be able to fire faster using the right?
plasmawave
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They already have.
Hacking arrow.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb...inematicuniverse/images/3/32/Hacker_Arrow.png
He probably could if he trained himself, in horseback competitions I believe it's typically up to the rider to use whichever technique they're most comfortable with.
The hitch with resting the arrow on the thumb is that it's not the most comfortable technique to use, since the arrow and fletchings are shooting past your thumb, although they do make guards for this. Many just find the traditional european/western method of resting the arrow on the opposite side (where it sits atop the knuckle of your index finger) to be more comfortable. Plus it's also far and away the most common method of shooting that is taught outside of Asia.
BreezyLimbo
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Yeah, I figure. It still amazes me that there's techniques lost to us due to just not being passed down properly, only to be unfolded by art of ancient soldiers and seeing a consistent style(Holding arrows in the hand)
Wait, is he striking him with the hilt? Wouldn't it be pretty easy to lose grip if you hold a sword by the blade?Yup. Sword play in Hollywood is also all wrong. Basically, most things the common person knows about the past is inaccurate. Doesn't matter if it's cowboys, knights, archers, ninjas, etc. All wrong.
Oh definitely.
I see, so medieval swordsmen actually fought like klingons.Yup. Sword play in Hollywood is also all wrong. Basically, most things the common person knows about the past is inaccurate. Doesn't matter if it's cowboys, knights, archers, ninjas, etc. All wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S_Q3CGqZmg
Basically Hollywood chose entertainment over accuracy. Can't blame them, problem is, people believe that what Hollywood shows is real.
But seriously why even use a sword at all if youre gonna use it like that. Seems like youre fucked if you forgot to bring your gauntlet.
You can use the guard as a hook to remove pieces of amor, or as a blunt weapon, like a hammer, to damage through the armor itself, which a blade isn't ideal for.
The idea is that you use a sword in many different ways, depending on the circumstances, rather than just the traditional fencing you see in hollywood.
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