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Laserdisc 2 vs Laserdisc 3

Flo_Evans said:
that SUCKS!

Why would they need to encode it in DD if its uncompressed? If I am reading that article right, without a HDMI reciever, you would get less audio quality than current DTS DVDs?

I have to assume this is a copyright issue (maybe if they cave on the HD over component they will cave on this?) or is it a bandwith issue?

I want my uncompressed audio just as much as my HD picture ; ;

Dolby TrueHD isn't uncompressed it's just compressed losslessly, which means when you uncompress it you arent missing anything was originally in the signal - for example, MP3 is lossy, so when you, for instance, use Winamp to write an MP3 to a .WAV file to burn it to an audio CD you aren't getting the same audio information you had before, it was lost in the compression process.

It's hard to tell from the article how the multichannel analog works, all that means is you can pass the final analog signal to your receiver if it supports discrete analog inputs for passing to your speakers. This, I'd imagine, requires your player to support discrete speaker outputs as well as being able to decode the signal itself. Otherwise, your reciever must support Dolby TrueHD and the digital stream is passed digitally through the HDMI connector. I believe the audio specs all call for backwards compatibility streams for use with older 5.1 DD or DTS equipment using traditional RCA or optical digital audio connections.
 
640 kbps output < DTS (768-1536 kbps)

What I am wondering is why can't it output PCM (44.1 kHz, 16 bit) or better :D over optical like a CD is.

teiresias said:
Dolby TrueHD isn't uncompressed it's just compressed losslessly, which means when you uncompress it you arent missing anything was originally in the signal - for example, MP3 is lossy, so when you, for instance, use Winamp to write an MP3 to a .WAV file to burn it to an audio CD you aren't getting the same audio information you had before, it was lost in the compression process.

It's hard to tell from the article how the multichannel analog works, all that means is you can pass the final analog signal to your receiver if it supports discrete analog inputs for passing to your speakers. This, I'd imagine, requires your player to support discrete speaker outputs as well as being able to decode the signal itself. Otherwise, your reciever must support Dolby TrueHD and the digital stream is passed digitally through the HDMI connector. I believe the audio specs all call for backwards compatibility streams for use with older 5.1 DD or DTS equipment using traditional RCA or optical digital audio connections.

ok that makes more sense... I guess it just sounds better for marketing to call it 'uncompressed' vs. 'lossless' :P
 
teiresias said:
Dolby TrueHD isn't uncompressed it's just compressed losslessly, which means when you uncompress it you arent missing anything was originally in the signal - for example, MP3 is lossy, so when you, for instance, use Winamp to write an MP3 to a .WAV file to burn it to an audio CD you aren't getting the same audio information you had before, it was lost in the compression process.

It's hard to tell from the article how the multichannel analog works, all that means is you can pass the final analog signal to your receiver if it supports discrete analog inputs for passing to your speakers. This, I'd imagine, requires your player to support discrete speaker outputs as well as being able to decode the signal itself. Otherwise, your reciever must support Dolby TrueHD and the digital stream is passed digitally through the HDMI connector. I believe the audio specs all call for backwards compatibility streams for use with older 5.1 DD or DTS equipment using traditional RCA or optical digital audio connections.

Translation: Most of you will need to buy new audio gear to take full advantage of this hardware.
 
Flo_Evans said:
640 kbps output < DTS (768-1536 kbps)

What I am wondering is why can't it output PCM (44.1 kHz, 16 bit) or better :D over optical like a CD is.

A CD doesn't have to support as many sound channels as a movie does, I don't believe current standard optical connections have enough bandwidth to pass it.
 
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http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=625766
 
monkeymagic said:
Yep it's not the leap VHS-DVD was - it's greater than that

VHS: ~240
DVD: 480
Blu-Ray: 1080

Please! With DVD we got menus, discrete surround sound, movies on a disc, with DVD we could change subtitles or turn them off, several soundtracks like dubs and commentaries in addition to the original soundtrack, extras like documentaries, pictures, notes etc.....................

No the leap wasnt THAT big :lol
 
Shompola said:
Please! With DVD we got menus, discrete surround sound, movies on a disc, with DVD we could change subtitles or turn them off, several soundtracks like dubs and commentaries in addition to the original soundtrack, extras like documentaries, pictures, notes etc.....................

No the leap wasnt THAT big :lol

we got most of this stuff before DVDs.
 
Shompola said:
Please! With DVD we got menus, discrete surround sound, movies on a disc, with DVD we could change subtitles or turn them off, several soundtracks like dubs and commentaries in addition to the original soundtrack, extras like documentaries, pictures, notes etc.....................

No the leap wasnt THAT big :lol

We got that shit with Laserdisc.
 
all the article really says is:

The HD-XA1 employs the use of four high performance DSP engines to decode the multi-channel streams of the wide array of audio formats.
Because HD DVD Discs spin at higher revolutions than a standard DVD, accurate mechanical engineering went into the chassis design of both models, says Toshiba. A double chassis construction is employed to add stability and strength against vibrations and the HD-XA1 adds insulated stabilizing feet to provide a steadfast foundation for the device.

so better audio components and beefier chassis?
 
golem said:
so better audio components and beefier chassis?

Wtf....@ a $300 difference?

I have a feeling that alot of compenents, or maybe just the DSP, are very crappy. No matter, thats a very low priced HD-DVD drive.
 
Amir0x, I think the Philips Entertaible deserve a mention in the opening post. You may want to just point to the un-sticky thread about it. IMO of course. This is your thread after all ;)
 
TTP said:
Amir0x, I think the Philips Entertaible deserve a mention in the opening post. You may want to just point to the un-sticky thread about it. IMO of course. This is your thread after all ;)

I did it.

pxleyes said:
So much for CES or Bust on PS3...I really wonder when this console is going to get out.

What are you talking about? Didn't you even read this thread? Sony has never even once said PS3 would have any major presence CES, regardless of what some websites tired to report. Sony has a FEBRUARY show which will be major for PS3.
 
Are all BR players not going to offer 1080p-out? The impression is that a lot of the announced content, at least, is 1080p.
 
HD-DVD
Toshiba HD-A1 : $499.99
HD-XA1 $799

BR-ROM
Samsung Player : $999.99
Sony Player : $1,300
Pioneer Player : $1,800

Ouch..

HD-DVD for the win.
 
Blaster1X said:
HD-DVD
Toshiba HD-A1 : $499.99
HD-XA1 $799

BR-ROM
Samsung Player : $999.99
Sony Player : $1,300
Pioneer Player : $1,800

Ouch..

HD-DVD for the win.

PS3: ??? ;)

Would you really prefer a HD-DVD player given the content situation?
 
Amir0x said:
I did it.



What are you talking about? Didn't you even read this thread? Sony has never even once said PS3 would have any major presence CES, regardless of what some websites tired to report. Sony has a FEBRUARY show which will be major for PS3.

I skimmed the thread, but no, I didn'tk now about this Feb. show.
 
jett said:
We got that shit with Laserdisc.

same laserdisc almost no one even knew existed? Or are you suggesting that BD will follow laserdisc? :)

Face it, people upgraded from VHS to DVD and not laserdisc to DVD!!!
 
gofreak said:
PS3: ??? ;)

Would you really prefer a HD-DVD player given the content situation?


PS3 max: $599
PS3 min: $299


But playback only right? Not that I care, I only want playback.
 
Stinkles said:
PS3 max: $599
PS3 min: $299


But playback only right? Not that I care, I only want playback.

A 599 PS3 would make me officially jump ship 100%. God that is such a worst case scenario I don't even want to think of that.
 
Blaster1X is just an asshat that has zero knowledge about anything. It's not worth trying to have a serious discussion with him about this.
 
gofreak said:
PS3: ??? ;)

Would you really prefer a HD-DVD player given the content situation?

Can the 500USD HD-DVD player record media aswell? If it can, then I have no idea why you even bring up the PS3
 
Goreomedy said:
LIAR!

Universal HD aired "They Live" the other day. Roddy Piper never looked so good!

Universal HD is giong to start up with BSG again in the next week too. That alone makes that channel worth it.

*note, BSG epsidoes on Universal HD are from the first half of Season 2, not the new ones.

The US still lacks BSG in HD on Fridays....
 
Shompola said:
Can the 500USD HD-DVD player record media aswell? If it can, then I have no idea why you even bring up the PS3

FYI: The $499 doesn't seem to have writing capabilities
 
The Pioneer BD player is part of the Elite line which is always expensive/over-priced (depending on how you want to view it). There's not really any indication of where in the "tier" of products the other BD players fall - we could be seeing all high-end line products at this point - which makes sense given the early adopter mindset at the beginning, may as well wring them for all their worth.

HD-DVD will have no extra lower-cost alternative in the vein of PS3 for the product so they have to have announcements of more reasonably priced alternatives. PS3 will be there for more joe-schmoe consumer level pricing BD players.

Does HD-DVD have a recordable version of the format at all? I haven't kept up with that end of either format.
 
Amir0x said:
A 599 PS3 would make me officially jump ship 100%. God that is such a worst case scenario I don't even want to think of that.

Sounds practical since its so far ahead interms of features. If Nintendo can charge over $100 for Revolution/GC remix why cant Sony charge over $500? :lol
 
Amir0x said:
A 599 PS3 would make me officially jump ship 100%. God that is such a worst case scenario I don't even want to think of that.
Definitely.

I mean, I wasn't planning on buying one on day one anyway (nothing against Sony, just launch hardware), but it would be a collossal error.
 
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