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benjipwns said:
It was a stupid way to reboot it because they basically are just going to throw out anything they don't like about the old continuity or about the characters anyways so what's the point? To have Leonard Nimoy in the movie? To do time travel just because?

The point was to make it both a reboot and a sequel, as I already said but you're asking again. If you don't like that, it's fine. I thought it was a perfect way to reboot a series.

Should have had George Clooney build a time machine to go back to try and save his parents but it blows up in transit turning Bruce Wayne into Christian Bale. That's a great way to save the old Batman movie continuity while throwing all of it completely out and starting over!

Yeah, that's exactly the same. Good example.

You're stretching.

Why not just call it like it is, "okay we've got this generic Sci-Fi action film but we're going to plaster a Star Trek skin on it to up the budget, and it's a different continuity and you don't need to know anything, so have fun with lasers and stuff!"

Because I don't agree with that.
 
omg rite said:
I thought it was a perfect way to reboot a series.
But why?

Why not just forget about all the continuity since the whole attempt to tether it to the old ruined the first movie's plot?

Why would anyone not just start over?
Yeah, that's exactly the same. Good example.

You're stretching.
As I said:
I have no idea why anyone would think of this idea and used the Batman analogy as an extreme example to prove the point.
It's just as stupid of an idea as what they did with Star Trek.
 
Darklord said:
No it wasn't. It was stupid and written by shit writers.

Why was a MINING ship so gigantic and loaded with enough weapons to take out 47 military Klingon ships in no time? It makes no sense.

What was the logic behind Nero going back in time to kill all Vulcans because Spock wasn't fast enough to save his planet? How the hell did that prevent genocide? He just killed the only race who was willing to help.

How was a supernova a threat to the whole galaxy?

How does the blackhole easily transport spock and nero around at the start but completely wrecks the ship later on?

How was Captain Archers dog able to live till like 100 years old?

The movie was good but could have been ten times better with a better script.

1. What benji said.

2.
He wasn't purposefully going back in time to destroy Vulcan. He wanted revenge on SPOCK whom he felt willfully refused to save Romulus from the supernova in time. Spock and Nero got pulled back in time completely aimlessly by the black hole, and from there Nero's plan never changes- REVENGE ON SPOCK. He didn't go back in time on purpose to fulfill this plan of destroying Vulcan and making Spock watch, he wanted revenge on Spock by whatever means necessary and used his newly discovered temporal location to make that happen. One might ask, "why didn't he just go back in time so they could try saving Romulus again", well, they had no control over the time travel properties of the black hole. Nero's logic was pretty well outlined in the film. "I watched my family and my planet die, there is nothing I can do to stop it anymore because what's done is done, and if I go back to Romulus in this time period it won't matter because my family isn't there, all that is left for me to do is get revenge on Spock because I think he did it on purpose. Imma destroy Vulcan."

3.
By "threaten the galaxy", I think they meant "threaten the alpha quadrant", and more specifically "threaten the small portion of the alpha quadrant that includes Earth and Vulcan in federation space and Romulus in Romulan space".

4.
I thought it was also pretty well established that this wasn't a normal "singularity" as we think of one, i.e. a gravitational well that pulls everything into a single point in space from all directions, but more like a 2 dimensional wormhole with openings on both sides that draws matter through with gravity. "Anomaly that looks like a lightning storm" is not the same as "black hole", even though I can't remember if they use "black hole" as shorthand for it later in the movie. It also was consistent on the crushing, destructive power of this "singularity". Relatively small things like ships could pass through unscathed, and perhaps even a planet could pass through without getting crushed, which is why Nero had to create the singularity INSIDE Vulcan and not just detonate the red matter right beside it. At the end when the Narada is being destroyed, it isn't a plot hole and it's being destroyed by gravitational forces, it's being destroyed by the phaser and torpedo fire of the Enterprise, and is being drawn in to an unknown time period/universe, perhaps still partially intact.

5. Now that's just a plot hole :(.
 
benjipwns said:
since the whole attempt to tether it to the old ruined the first movie's plot?

It WAS the first movie's plot. And I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the way they introduced the characters, I liked the action setpieces (warping into the debris field), and none of it would have existed without the plot revolving around the series-rebooting macguffin itself.
 
benjipwns said:

Because it links it to the original and I didn't want it to be rebooted without properly acknowledging what came before it. It was a fun and unique way to reboot a series. That's my answer. I'm sorry if you disagree.

Why not just forget about all the continuity since the whole attempt to tether it to the old ruined the first movie's plot?

Okay, this is just getting silly.

You already know I LIKE the movie's plot, so why would you then ask me "but why would they do it if it ruined the plot?" as if your opinion on the plot is fact. There is no answer to that question, because I liked the plot and you did not.
 
The movie was awesome. I too like WoK, TUC, and First Contact more, but this one had a lot of negative expectations on my part and I was very surprised by how fun and good it was.

They still need a way to get Shatner to be Kirk one more time, then maybe everyone (and most importantly, Shatner himself) will finally be at peace.

bluescreenoflife said:
5. Now that's just a plot hole :(.
Who said the beagle had to be the original Porthos?
 
MisterHero said:
They still need a way to get Shatner to be Kirk one more time, then maybe everyone (and most importantly, Shatner himself) will finally be at peace.

I would have loved it if they had done what they originally planned to do, which is have Spock Prime show Young Spock a little holographic floating-head farewell recording that Kirk Prime made for Spock Prime before his trip to attend the maiden voyage of the Enterprise-B, which he obviously never returns from because he gets sucked into the energy ribbon from Generations. It would have been the last memory he had of Kirk Prime.

I think it could have worked great if we got a sincere little 30 second clip of acting from the Shat of him saying goodbye to his friend.
 
I've always been indifferent to Star Trek, it felt so cheap to me, none of the aliens were interesting, and I didn't quite feel the cast.

However, I absolutely loved the 2009 film. Made me appreciate the old shows a lot more, now I can actually watch them and enjoy myself.
 
Star Trek fans who don't appreciate that there was a movie in 2009 called Star Trek which was not only hugely successful but acknowledged all the previous stuff you watched did happen are as insane as the fans who hate that there was a hugely successful reboot of Doctor Who that also acknowledged all the previous stuff happened.

Insane.

Both reboots used time fuckery to explain any continuity changes and errors, but still made it clear these are tied to the same exact stuff you liked that debuted in the 60s.

If Doctor Who is anything to go by, this route makes Trek relevant to a new generation's pop-culture & is going to open up the audience to more women than ever. By not completely forgetting the old stuff (no matter how you feel they went about it), it keeps it interesting to new fans that the old fanbase hates, and means they're more likely to give it a go.

Trek fans shouldn't wish to end up in the same boat as superhero comic fans and end up squeezed out of their own conventions due to an aging fanbase and an inability to attract new people. You might get pissed off if at all the kids flocking to your convention of choice, but all those kids mean that shit you're into is healthy.

Hell we don't even have to go outside of Trek, Next Generation is just as much a reboot of the Star Trek concept and it kept Star Trek relevant to most of the people you'd find on forums like this.

You don't have to like it, but you shouldn't be angry that it didn't happen to your satisfaction and was both commercially and critically successful.
 
The film had an incredible US gross which was (some say largely) accounted for by the repeat business of some Trek fans.

And, to be fair, it did much better than I thought it would, (or frankly deserved to do based on it's woeful script) but it's INT grosses are still poor for what is a major summer event movie.

It's a huge success in terms of US gross, no doubt, but there is no way this film lived up to the expectations that Paramount had for it. Such is the nature of 'boom and bust' summer movies that when the Paramount executives sit down to look at the numbers they would have hoped for better than a final WW gross of less than $400m.

It's going to be interesting to see what direction they take with the sequel though. Play to the same audience or try and open it up again to bring in that elusive 'broader' audience.

Acid08 said:
Much deserved, best ST movie.

*shakes head*
 
Busty said:
It's a huge success in terms of US gross, no doubt, but there is no way this film lived up to the expectations that Paramount had for it. Such is the nature of 'boom and bust' summer movies that when the Paramount executives sit down to look at the numbers they would have hoped for better than a final WW gross of less than $400m.

You are out of your mind.
 
Axiom said:
Trek fans shouldn't wish to end up in the same boat as superhero comic fans and end up squeezed out of their own conventions due to an aging fanbase and an inability to attract new people. You might get pissed off if at all the kids flocking to your convention of choice, but all those kids mean that shit you're into is healthy..
Have to concur with this. I still like using this as an example, at Spiderman. I was sitting in front of an insufferable nerd. If there was something not like the comics. He would make a comment just loud enough for every to hear around him. Attempting to show off his superior comic knowledge to the girl he was with and everyone around. He ended up getting harassed by the bulk of people around him, and the girl left early or sat somewhere else.

And you wonder why games, comics, anime, and other stuff are considered "lame" by the general public. The fanbase ends up putting it there.
 
First Star Trek movie I saw (went back and saw some episodes and Wrath...) and it was excellent. Great pacing, plot, characterization (obviously) and little-to-none of the campyness that plagued the original stuff.
 
I saw this for the second time on a plane a couple of weeks ago and still really liked it. I thought it did a great job of pleasing both Trek fans - excepting the hardcore, of course, because nothing short of Shatner and Nimoy reverse ageing and DeForest Kelley returning from the dead would stop their bitching - and newcomers. With the exception of Chekov, who I think could have been done better, the cast was excellent, and I'm a particular fan of Karl Urban's Bones.

The only thing that really bothered me in terms of plot holes was that supernova threatening the galaxy thing, but it's not the first time that story's been used in Star Trek and there has been some attempt at explaining it. It's not exactly the only physical problem in a series pretty much entirely based around ships going hundreds of times the speed of light, so I'm happy to suspend disbelief.

In terms of the other films, I'd put it something like this:

Wrath of Khan > The Undiscovered Country > First Contact > 2009 > The Voyage Home > The Motion Picture ......

I'm currently rewatching the TNG films on Blu-ray because I can't remember too much about most of them, but I'm pretty sure they won't be troubling the top end of that list.

I've got the new one preordered on BD and can't wait. It was my favourite of the big summer movies this year and I want to see all 11 of them on my shelf :D
 
bluescreenoflife said:
2.
He wasn't purposefully going back in time to destroy Vulcan. He wanted revenge on SPOCK whom he felt willfully refused to save Romulus from the supernova in time. Spock and Nero got pulled back in time completely aimlessly by the black hole, and from there Nero's plan never changes- REVENGE ON SPOCK. He didn't go back in time on purpose to fulfill this plan of destroying Vulcan and making Spock watch, he wanted revenge on Spock by whatever means necessary and used his newly discovered temporal location to make that happen. One might ask, "why didn't he just go back in time so they could try saving Romulus again", well, they had no control over the time travel properties of the black hole. Nero's logic was pretty well outlined in the film. "I watched my family and my planet die, there is nothing I can do to stop it anymore because what's done is done, and if I go back to Romulus in this time period it won't matter because my family isn't there, all that is left for me to do is get revenge on Spock because I think he did it on purpose. Imma destroy Vulcan."

The bit of confused me was when he said:

Captain whoever, the one who got captured: You committed genocide on a peaceful race!
Nero: No! I prevented Genocide!

It made no sense.
 
Darklord said:
The bit of confused me was when he said:

Captain whoever, the one who got captured: You committed genocide on a peaceful race!
Nero: No! I prevented Genocide!

It made no sense.
Nero's mind is far from rational at this point - to him, the Vulcans not taking action soon enough to save Romulus was the main reason why it was destroyed, so by wiping them out he believes he's preventing them from killing off his race. It's not supposed to make sense.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
Nero's mind is far from rational at this point - to him, the Vulcans not taking action soon enough to save Romulus was the main reason why it was destroyed, so by wiping them out he believes he's preventing them from killing off his race. It's not supposed to make sense.

Seems like a stretch. If they developed his character in the least it might have been a bit clearer.
 
I watched it with no expectations (actualy though its shit and kitschy after i saw some pics of the new crew) but this new movie blew me away. Its fantastic. It absolutely deserves this success. I hope many movies will follow.
 
Busty said:
It's a huge success in terms of US gross, no doubt, but there is no way this film lived up to the expectations that Paramount had for it. Such is the nature of 'boom and bust' summer movies that when the Paramount executives sit down to look at the numbers they would have hoped for better than a final WW gross of less than $400m.

You're right, it didn't live up to expectations, it exceeded them by a large margin which is why the sequel was greenlit immediately as the first one released. It did better than Batman Begins did and beat two other giant franchise releases during May in the US.

Star Trek overseas has never been a huge deal. Why would Paramount expect it to be?

Calling $400 mil "below expectations" for what was essentially a last try at reviving a fading franchise is so fucking insane.
 
WyndhamPrice said:
Calling $400 mil "below expectations" for what was essentially a last try at reviving a fading franchise is so fucking insane.

First off it didn't make $400m at the WW box office. That's the point. It wasn't a quantum leap away from the grosses of Fast/Furious and that was the fourth installment of the franchise.

Trek is Paramount's biggest (they don't own Transformers) franchise bar none. It still makes a fortune for them. You seriously think they played their biggest card and ended up with a strong but hardly stunning gross.

You think when Paramount signed all those big money deals with Abrams and Orci/Kurtzman and did all those expensive foreign press tours and premieres they thought that the film would do less than $400m WW?

And I don' know where people get these Batman Begins comparisons from either. The two franchises couldn't be more different.

And for all those fans that take that comparison to a ludicrous degree and think that Abrams ' next Trek movie will perform like TDK on a commercial and critical level?

:lol .....,hilarious.
 
Your argument doesn't make any sense given the prior box office history of the franchise's films, and the long layoff since the last movie, AND the whole "let's reboot the whole thing and cast entirely new people into well-known roles" risk. How would any Paramount exec think $400 million worldwide is a reasonable expectation?
 
george_us said:
Hopefully they can get better writers next time. The casting single-handily kept the movie from being a total borefest.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the same writers are writing the second film.

DrForester said:
Regarding the International Numbers, Japan has given the movie it's highest honor. They anthropomorphized the ships..

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Why does Japan have to ruin everything?

[QUOTE=omg rite]I'm not going to bother arguing when you obviously just don't like the story. I thought the time travel in order to split continuity was a great way to reboot the series without actually rebooting it.[/QUOTE]
He asked you a question at the end and you didn't even bother replying. What was "well-written" about the characters?

[QUOTE=benjipwns]To be fair, the first three are answered in the four issue comic prequel. [/QUOTE]
Except the prequel comic isn't canon (one of the writers said so).
 
Dax01 said:
Except the prequel comic isn't canon (one of the writers said so).
That's because nothing is truly canon unless it's aired in an episode or movie. This includes the Animated Series.
 
Busty said:
The film had an incredible US gross which was (some say largely) accounted for by the repeat business of some Trek fans.

And, to be fair, it did much better than I thought it would, (or frankly deserved to do based on it's woeful script) but it's INT grosses are still poor for what is a major summer event movie.

It's a huge success in terms of US gross, no doubt, but there is no way this film lived up to the expectations that Paramount had for it. Such is the nature of 'boom and bust' summer movies that when the Paramount executives sit down to look at the numbers they would have hoped for better than a final WW gross of less than $400m.

It's going to be interesting to see what direction they take with the sequel though. Play to the same audience or try and open it up again to bring in that elusive 'broader' audience.

*shakes head*

Is there a source for the $400m expectation, or are you just pulling a big number out of a hat and dismissing anything beneath it?
 
Busty said:
First off it didn't make $400m at the WW box office. That's the point. It wasn't a quantum leap away from the grosses of Fast/Furious and that was the fourth installment of the franchise.

Trek is Paramount's biggest (they don't own Transformers) franchise bar none. It still makes a fortune for them. You seriously think they played their biggest card and ended up with a strong but hardly stunning gross.

You think when Paramount signed all those big money deals with Abrams and Orci/Kurtzman and did all those expensive foreign press tours and premieres they thought that the film would do less than $400m WW?

You really do not know what you're talking about, I'm sorry. You are wrong. Seems like you're just trying to be the guy who knows more about movies than other people, but Busty's opinion is not greater than that of the analysts who talked about the movie's success months ago.
 
XiaNaphryz said:
Your argument doesn't make any sense given the prior box office history of the franchise's films, and the long layoff since the last movie, AND the whole "let's reboot the whole thing and cast entirely new people into well-known roles" risk.

They are all factors, and for the record I am not saying that Trek was a failure. Trek's $250m + US gross means it's a success. No doubt.

But, like anything else in the corporate world it all comes down to investment. It comes down to maths.

Paramount said they were 'happy' with the results. And they should be with a US gross like that. But the simple fact of the matter is I wouldn't be surprised if the WW advertising costs on that film were just as much, if not more than the film's budget.

Paramount set out to make this a global franchise and splashed out the money to do so. It didn't work for them. Simple as.

Just remember. The first footage of Trek ever shown was screened to journalists in London. Paramount and Abrams went after the Int. audiences and they didn't show up.

And for everyone claiming I'm insane for saying a $380m WW gross is under whelming for a major summer tent pole.

Well, the economics of big studio summer tentpoles are insane. As I said, boom or bust.

XiaNaphryz said:
How would any Paramount exec think $400 million worldwide is a reasonable expectation?

I don't understand what you mean by this.
 
Trek was on life support before this film. Complete franchise fatigue on the television side, outright rejection by audiences after Nemesis.

There's no way ST 2009's take was largely a result of hardcore fans (again, look at Nemesis for the influence of that fanbase). Since it's already been established that there is something inherent in Trek that doesn't translate well overseas, there is no doubt its phenomenal domestic gross has made Paramount goofy ecstatic. Anyone arguing the opposite is delusional.
 
And for everyone claiming I'm insane for saying a $380m WW gross is under whelming for a major summer tent pole.

And it ISN'T. Batman Begins did the same thing. It was a reboot to a dead franchise no one cared about and made a little under $400 mil.
 
How anyone can call 400 mil worldwide for a Star Trek movie anything less than fucking AMAZING is downright insane. This is Star Trek we are talking about here, not Star Wars. The numbers it did were incredible. And I expect a huge jump for part 2 due to good word of mouth from part 1.
 
Looking at previous numbers for Star Trek films overseas, why would Paramount have expected great overseas numbers?

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How is that disappointing.

The movie far exceeded expectations (wasn't Paramount only expecting $150 domestic?)
 
Forget Nero's bugfuck logic...

What really didn't make sense was Spock following Nero, when Spock is the one who explains that the actions taken in this past will create a newly branching path that does not impact the alpha timeline at all.

In other words, if there's infinite realities, it was meaningless. There's no reason to care what Nero does if he's essentially no longer in existence.
 
Busty said:
First off it didn't make $400m at the WW box office. That's the point. It wasn't a quantum leap away from the grosses of Fast/Furious and that was the fourth installment of the franchise.

Trek is Paramount's biggest (they don't own Transformers) franchise bar none. It still makes a fortune for them. You seriously think they played their biggest card and ended up with a strong but hardly stunning gross.

You think when Paramount signed all those big money deals with Abrams and Orci/Kurtzman and did all those expensive foreign press tours and premieres they thought that the film would do less than $400m WW?

And I don' know where people get these Batman Begins comparisons from either. The two franchises couldn't be more different.

And for all those fans that take that comparison to a ludicrous degree and think that Abrams ' next Trek movie will perform like TDK on a commercial and critical level?

:lol .....,hilarious.

You're either absolutely insane or you can't handle that Trek is doing better than the studio expected. Let me explain this as simply as possible.

Star Trek had been cancelled again. The two last movies had failed. No Trek movie had done anywhere close to $150 let alone $250 million. For the movie to make almost 400 million is suprising and stunning to anyone who has any knowledge of box office. $400 million on a $150 million investment, to say nothing of the DVD and toy sales which are always huge for Trek...

I see no reason why Trek 2 won't do 300-400+. It did better both domestic and worldwide than Batman Begins in a very similar situation, and critically it was better reviewed than both new Batman films.

It's one of the most amazing box office performances of the year.
 
JayDubya said:
Forget Nero's bugfuck logic...

What really didn't make sense was Spock following Nero, when Spock is the one who explains that the actions taken in this past will create a newly branching path that does not impact the alpha timeline at all.

In other words, if there's infinite realities, it was meaningless. There's no reason to care what Nero does if he's essentially no longer in existence.

Spock didn't follow Nero, he was trying to escape from the wormhole. Nero just happened to be there.
 
Busty said:
I don't understand what you mean by this.
You said "there is no way this film lived up to the expectations that Paramount had for it." I'm saying there's no way for a Paramount exec to reasonably have a $400 million+ expectation given the factors I listed.
 
I remember reading Paramount's expectations were a modest first film to get the franchise back on track and actually start making a lot of money with the sequel, expecting around 150 mil domestically.
 
Myr said:
I hope the Borg are a part of the next film. Would love to see them in this version of ST.

I hope they do something new and original instead of dragging out something that's been beaten to death.
 
New Interview with Abrams where he talks a bit about Trek II.
http://www.collider.com/2009/10/08/...-trek-2-fringe-mission-impossible-4-and-more/

The phenomenally successful re-imagining of the legendary adventures captured in Star Trek will be coming to DVD and Blu-Ray on November 17th. Although it is too early to talk about the specifics of the special features and extras that will be included on the 2-disc DVD and 3-disc Blu-Ray, in speaking to members of the press this afternoon at the Viceroy Hotel in Santa Monica, writer/director/producer J.J. Abrams gave some insight into the plans for the forthcoming Star Trek sequel, the possibility of it being done in 3-D and what he sees his involvement with the franchise being, for the foreseeable future. And, with so many other projects on his schedule, the prolific storyteller also touched on Mission: Impossible 4, Fringe and his latest television pilot, just sold to NBC. Hit the jump to read what he said:


Question: Since you got to wipe the slate clean with your first Star Trek film, do you have any intention of using some of the old creatures or monsters, or do you plan to just bring in a whole new thing?


J.J.: In going forward, the fun of this movie series is that we will have the opportunity, given its alternate timeline, to cross paths with any of the experiences, places and characters that existed in the original series, but we have to be really careful, doing that. I don’t want to do something that is so inside that only die-hard fans will appreciate. We’re just now working on the script and just beginning the process of story breaking, but I guarantee you, whatever the story is and whatever the final movie ends up being, I know it will be something that will work on its own terms and be something that you don’t need to know and study Star Trek to get, but if you are a fan, there will hopefully be gift after gift of connections, references and characters that you hold near and dear. At least, that’s the intent.

How far ahead do you envision your involvement with the franchise? Is it a movie-by-movie basis for you, or do you see yourself involved with it for the foreseeable future?

J.J.: That’s a wonderfully optimistic question and I appreciate that, but the answer is that it’s obviously just movie-to-movie. The fact that we are now actively discussing the second film is surreal and very nice, and I’m thrilled. I hope that that results in something worthy of your time. But, it’s one of those things that you just don’t know. And so, I cannot presume it’s gonna be a series that goes beyond those. Do we have ideas for a few movies and have we discussed them? Of course. You can’t help but go, “Oh, it would be really cool, if we could do this, or if we can set that up there?” You throw those things around. But, we can’t presume it’s going to be anything more than now another film that we’re lucky enough to do.


Leonard Nimoy recently said that a Star Trek sequel might not need him anymore. What is your reaction to that?

J.J.: I can’t imagine a Star Trek movie not needing him. I’m sure that what he’s saying is a combination of modesty and honesty. He may actually feel that way. But, the truth is, we could never have made this movie without him, and working with him again would be a joy. It is clearly too early, given that we are just now talking story, to conclude whether or not Spock Prime is in the film or not. Do I want to work with him again? Of course, 100%. I’d love to.

What are your plans for him on Fringe, beyond this week’s episode?

J.J.: In terms of his role as William Bell, none of us could believe our luck that we convinced him to say yes to being on the show. He is wonderful on the show. And, I will say that this is not the last you will see of his character.

On this week’s episode, William Bell gets to have a meeting with Olivia (Anna Torv). Will viewers get to see him face off with Walter Bishop (John Noble)?

J.J.: I don’t want to give anything away, but this is not the last you’ll see of him. He is so good and so wonderful to work with that I wouldn’t limit the possibilities of what he’ll get to do.

Any thought of Leonard Nimoy reprising the role of Paris in Mission: Impossible 4? Can you rule that out?

J.J.: How cool would that be? I just got a call that Peter Graves is in great shape, which would be a very bizarre bend in the space-time continuum, for obvious reasons. I almost feel like you could make him serious again and bringing him back. Whether it’s Nimoy, who I have an incredible affinity for, or Graves, or anyone, we’ll see. I actually tried to get Martin Landau in Mission 3, in a very small little moment just for fun, and was told that he had no interest in doing it. But then, when I met him, after the movie came out, it was the greatest thing. We were at this restaurant in New York, for one of the TV Upfront parties, and someone introduced me to Landau. They took me over and Martin Landau came over to me, extended his hand, and [pretended to lift his face off]. That was the greatest thing I’d ever seen.


You managed to contemporize what was an aging franchise, with your work on Star Trek, and you talked about including more current events in the sequel. Do you think that Star Trek is something that needs to be continuously updated for each generation?



J.J.: It’s hard to give a blanket answer to that question. I do think that, whether it’s Star Trek or anything, whatever is being investigated, created or produced now, in movies or TV, needs to consider the context in which it is being distributed. It’s not a vacuum. There are certain universal themes of love, conflict, loyalty or family that are everlasting and that need to be presented in a way that makes it feel relevant, even if it’s a period piece. You need to consider what context that film, that story and those characters are being seen in.


But, having said that, with Star Trek, it’s not like we’re looking to make the second movie some kind of heavy political allegory. I think that it’s important that there is metaphor to what we know and that there is relevance, and I think allegory is the thing that made shows like The Twilight Zone and Star Trek resonate and still be vital today. But, because the first movie was so much about introducing these people, and it was very much a premise movie about how to bring these people together, it made it difficult to also have the film go as deep as it could, about certain conflict, certain relationships and the heart of who some of these characters are. I think it was successful in what it needed to do, to introduce these people, but I feel like, now that we’ve done that, it is the job of the next film to go a little bit deeper. It shouldn’t be any less fun or take itself too seriously, but consider who these people are now and grow with them, and just examine them a little more closer, now that we’ve gotten through the pleasantries and introductions.

With everything you have going on, for the next couple months, what will you be focusing on mostly?

J.J.: Jeff Pinkner and Joel Wyman are running Fringe very well. We’re still very involved in that, but they’re running that. We have a new series, that we just sold to NBC, that we’re going to be producing. It’s a pilot. And, there’s a movie that I’m writing that I would love to direct, early next year, so we’ll see if that comes to fruition. There’s a movie, called Morning Glory, that’s coming out next year, with Harrison Ford, Rachel McAdams and Diane Keaton, that’s being edited now. Roger Michell directed that. And, we’re obviously hard at work on Star Trek 2 and Mission: Impossible 4. There’s a lot that we’re working on.

Any chance of you shooting the next Star Trek film in 3-D?

J.J.: Paramount talked to me about doing the first one in 3-D and, having it only be my second film, I was petrified just at the addition of it. I thought it would be another dimension of pain-in-the-ass. I was just like, “I want to make a decent 2-D movie.” I was so worried that, instead of being a decent 2-D movie, it would have been a bad 3-D one. I’m open to looking at it ’cause now I feel a little bit more comfortable. And, if I, in fact, direct the Star Trek sequel, 3-D could be really fun, so I’m open to it. What I’ve seen of Avatar makes me want to do it because it’s so crazy-cool looking.
 
critch said:
You're either absolutely insane or you can't handle that Trek is doing better than the studio expected. Let me explain this as simply as possible.

Oh yes. I would very much enjoy reading your 'insight' into the film business.

Also, I'm a huge Trek fan. Just because I'm not a big fan of Abrams' current Trek film doesn't mean I have to 'hand in my fan card'.

critch said:
Star Trek had been cancelled again. The two last movies had failed. No Trek movie had done anywhere close to $150 let alone $250 million. For the movie to make almost 400 million is suprising and stunning to anyone who has any knowledge of box office. $400 million on a $150 million investment, to say nothing of the DVD and toy sales which are always huge for Trek...

I'll say this and then I'll bow out of this conversation because people are too defensive of Trek in general to really give any time to what I'm trying to say.

You see, my film expert friend, you've fallen into the classic 'arm chair studio executive trap', it's not a $150m investment on Paramount's end. It could be as much as double that.

Why? Advertising. Ads for the film are the black spot in the logic of people who don't understand the business. Paramount must have spent at least $100m WW on the advertising spend for Trek. At least.

Then, if the budget is $150m+ (which I doubt, but nevermind) then Paramount's investment becomes $250m+. The film made $380m at the WW box office. They receive about half (though likely less than that) from the actual exhibitors.

So then that means Paramount could conceivably made a loss on the theatrical run (not unusual) but the much smaller than expected Int. numbers are where the shortfall in Trek's WW gross comes from.

$125m for the big investment that Paramount made to bring in the foreign audiences will be disappointing to them.

I'm not attacking you.

I'm not attacking your love of the series which I share.

I just call 'em like I see em.

critch said:
I see no reason why Trek 2 won't do 300-400+.

Good for you. And good for Paramount!

critch said:
It's one of the most amazing box office performances of the year.

I agree with you 100%

It was the 5th highest grossing film in the US this summer season.

Great!

It was the 9th highest grossing film in the International markets this summer.

Not so great.

But by no means a disaster.
 
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