LCD tech is just plain shit
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BobJustBob
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OLED is not some magic tech, unless they've found a way to dramatically increase the lifetime of the displays.
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OuterWorldVoice said:
are you the britney kid?
shattyboombatty
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spyshagg said:
I've had the opposite luck:
42" lcd tv - stuck pixles
psp - stuck pixles
ds - stuck pixles
digital camera -stuck pixles
22" lcd monitor -stuck pixles
about 1/2 of the things I get with an lcd screen have stuck pixels... I hate it
MaizeRage25
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I have had pixel problems with both of my MacBooks. Took the first one back to the Apple store to only have the a pixel die on the replacement unit as well. I have had no problems with any other LCD products (TVs, cameras, handhelds, etc.).
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OuterWorldVoice said:
:lol
seriously though. the sharpness in lcd's is insane. but as a tech for Tv screens it's not the best imo. Crt isn't perfect either. Plasma isn't either.
i'm hoping laser will bring the best of both world and more.. (good 3d)
NekoFever
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I've had a few dead pixels. My first DS and first DS Lite had them, but I got them replaced with clean ones. My MacBook Pro has a stuck one (permanently red), but it's like two pixels up from the bottom and covered by the dock most of the time, so you don't see it. I also had one on an LCD monitor that I bought for my parents, but they've never noticed or cared. Had a couple of PSPs and loads of phones, which have all been perfect. A lot of it depends on who manufactured the panel, because some companies have zero tolerance for them while others allow up to like 15 before they declare it faulty.
But yeah, there are far bigger problems with LCD than the occasional dead pixel. Smearing is thankfully much improved but still shows up in cheaper ones - the PSP is particularly bad about this. Black levels are also an issue, and I've yet to see an LCD TV that can match a semi-decent plasma in that respect. <3 my Panny.
But yeah, there are far bigger problems with LCD than the occasional dead pixel. Smearing is thankfully much improved but still shows up in cheaper ones - the PSP is particularly bad about this. Black levels are also an issue, and I've yet to see an LCD TV that can match a semi-decent plasma in that respect. <3 my Panny.
thesoapster
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BobJustBob said:
I thought that was the only limitation at this point and that since their introduction running time has improved...I hope they become the norm for computer monitors and TVs.
xabre said:
I thought the Iphone was OLED...
Also, it's just bad luck or shit products. My anecdotal evidences (and countless LCD tvs and screens at my job that i did use) i've NEVER had even ONE dead pixel let alone a stuck one.
Also, my new TVset is not "plain shit" but more like "plain awesome".
Insane Metal
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No it´s not.
No, it's not. Any OLED display will lack a backlight, which the iphone clearly does not lack.Ranger X said:I thought the Iphone was OLED...
Also, it's just bad luck or shit products. My anecdotal evidences (and countless LCD tvs and screens at my job that i did use) i've NEVER had even ONE dead pixel let alone a stuck one.
Also, my new TVset is not "plain shit" but more like "plain awesome".
Maybe it's LED backlit, but mostly likely it's just a plane LCD.
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Which one: OLED, SED or Laser?
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Sean said:
What bullshit. Weren't you the one who in every few months come in in the Official HD thread & kept talking about how you only want a TV no bigger than 20" & would not buy anything until the black levels would reach CRT levels.
The Samsung A650 is the balck levels have been rated to be on par with the absolute best Panasonic plasma sets & the older Sony SXRD sets, which were considered the standard. The only things better are the Pioneer Kuros & the new LED LCDs
In fact, here is a overexposed picture with bias lighting showing how good the blacks can be in a LCD during the night:
FYI dead pixels completely depend on the policy the comany making them. If the company doesn't cheap out, they can make 100% dead pixel free panels.
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FTWer said:
Blacks aren't the problem with LCD's it's the accuracy of the color range. Crts and Plasma's own them in this area same could be said for issue related to native res. BTW the SXRD sets weren't sony's best that belongs to their prograde monitor series before they gutted it.
Shockgamer
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If I didn't play videogames, I wouldn't care about smearing/blurrring/ghosting, lag or crappy blacks. But I do play them...so I do care.
Psychotext
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Without calibration... maybe you're right. But you need to check the reviews of modern LCDs to see just how spot on they've got with the proper calibration.LCGeek said:
(For what it's worth I think Plasma and LCD are shit for their own reasons... but I just wanted to point out you're wrong on that one)
LCGeek said:
CRTs weigh more than 200 pounds and have atrocious color and geometry issues, not to mention inherent problems with glass reflection, horrible refresh rates and susceptibility to even minor magnetic interference. In fact, the only objective measure they "win" in, is black levels, which is what luddites will cling to until being a fan of LCD is granola-cool in 20 years.
But by all means, you guys, enjoy the giant fucking Cathode Ray Tube and it's imaginary "almost-white" blacks.
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Only LCD problem I ever had was one dead pixel on a DS screen. Other than that I like LCD monitors way more than clunky CRTs.
I have an LCD HDTV (Samsung LNT3753H) and I am fairly picky, but I think the pros outweigh the cons.
Black levels look fine unless the entire screen is completely black; your eyes adjust. No one EVER seems to mention this.
As for the clouding effect, it isn't so bad on my screen. If it's completely black I do notice a minimal amount, but only when, again, it is completely black. At any single other time you cannot see it. Can't speak for other LCD's. I will say that you should get a panel from a company that does it right, and Samsung is definitely one of those companies.
Anyway, I love my TV, it's one of the best purchases I have ever made... you guys are a bunch of whiners.
I hooked up my game consoles to my parents' 50 inch Panasonic 1080p Plasma, and while the color is a little better, I don't feel like my 37 inch 720p LCD is an inferior piece of crap. The image quality is still great.
Black levels look fine unless the entire screen is completely black; your eyes adjust. No one EVER seems to mention this.
As for the clouding effect, it isn't so bad on my screen. If it's completely black I do notice a minimal amount, but only when, again, it is completely black. At any single other time you cannot see it. Can't speak for other LCD's. I will say that you should get a panel from a company that does it right, and Samsung is definitely one of those companies.
Anyway, I love my TV, it's one of the best purchases I have ever made... you guys are a bunch of whiners.
I hooked up my game consoles to my parents' 50 inch Panasonic 1080p Plasma, and while the color is a little better, I don't feel like my 37 inch 720p LCD is an inferior piece of crap. The image quality is still great.
NekoFever said:
What is this smearing? Is it like I described earlier with the faint black smudge on my iPhone LCD, under the glass? I'm thinking of getting this one replaced too. This would be the third one. 1 dead pixel -> 4 dead pixels -> black smudge on screen...feel like i'm going backwards. Maybe I should give up while i'm behind...before I get more behind...sigh.
FTWer said:
Nah I'm not THAT guy (that was andrewfee or something). All of the TV's and computers I own are LCD's.
I'm just being honest, the black levels on LCD's simply don't compare to my old Sony Trinitron 20" CRT TV. I don't think it's unrealistic or being picky to want a brand-new $2200 HDTV to have as good black levels as a ten year old ~$400 SDTV. I probably notice it more because I watch in a darkened room at night.
Psychotext
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Not an issue any more with LED backlit LCDs. Expensive at the moment though obviously.Sean said:
My friend bought a shiny new 1080p Phillips LCD a while ago, and I tested it some using his PS3 earlier today...it was the first time I play a next-gen console in HD. I guess there must be something wrong with the TV because it looked kinda hideos, with a heavy amount of jaggies and weird artifacts on the graphics, like white lines on the contour of the cars in GT5. All I could fix was the horrible blurring by turning off some crap motionflow-like option. Blu-ray movies looked pretty great, but the games had some serious issue. I tried running the PS3 in 720p and in 1080p, but I got the same results in both resolutions
sonarrat said:
Sorry, what I meant was that you're stuck at 50 and 60 Hz on PAL and NTSC TVs. Naturally this is not an issue on PC CRT monitors, since it's a broadcast limitation, not a technological one. Next time I am stating the horrible truth about that shitty 70 year old archaic technology that has virtually no worth, except to make videophiles have something obscure and shit to cling to, I will speak more carefully.
And let me just throw 4:3 in there, while I am piling it on.
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I've got a 32'' plasma and I'm starting to wish I went LCD. Maybe I just haven't broken it in yet, but so far the ghosting on this thing is horrible. All it takes is a semi vivid-colored object to remain in place on the screen for about 10 seconds to leave behind an imprint that lasts for several minutes.
Elfforkusu
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I can't even see pixels on this 15.4 inch WUXGA, so I'd say LCD is pretty awesome
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