lol wait. Shaco trolled. That is reportable under troll builds
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League of Legends |OT13| Diamond is Unreachable
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Problem: Graves is dealing too much damage.
Potential solutions: reduction in Q base damages or removing MR from true grit as potential nerfs coming into this patch cycle.
Selected solution: removing MR.
Just so we're clear, Graves' problem and the potential solutions are from Riot's own mouth.
Hydrophobic
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Shaco sold his items at the end of the game and bought tears.
Also I noticed it's the same shaco player. Must feel good to do that to the jungler after g1 lol
Kotetsu534
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Game 3: This time I'm laning against Riven, and with the other team also having Talon and Lucian, Armor runes, Tabis and Zhonya's are obvious choices. They also have Galio jungle, a good pick against double AP (Anivia is mid) while we have Kha, Alistar and Ezreal. Would expect this game to be a bit less crazy as long as I can keep Riven under control. Let's see.
At first things go quite well, with bot lane securing a kill and me collapsing on a stupid invade from Gragas to get Kha ahead. Unforunately, Anivia is cut to pieces by Talon, ending up 0-5-0 in short order, while bot lane somehow dies 2-0, both kills going to Lucian, despite their lead. Still, the game is around even heading into 20 minutes after I roamed to bot lane and Kha ended up with a quadra kill when they 4-man dove. Riven is getting free farm though. The crucial event of the game was a dragon fight at circa 23 mins where Anivia was split from the team and killed by Talon. I invested Flash/Equalizer/my life to catch him, but Lucian overran the team on the other end, and we ended up far behind, with Kha raging at Anivia (he'd been doing this anyway, but now it was constant).
From there we stalled out desperately for 20 minutes with little prospect of actually turning the game around - Talon was full build with Lucian and Riven not far behind, while Anivia had only two items 35 minutes into the game. Eventually they broke through after Kha got caught chasing Riven away.
Game 4: Utter disaster. My Rumble got picked away and I defaulted to Maokai*. He went Ignite/Amp Tome and bullied the hell out of me while Udyr paid no attention to top lane (or, to be fair, any other lane). I figured if the game went late we would outscale with Maokai/Jinx against Ziggs/Rumble, but they snowballed hard. I only died once during laning phase when an OOM Udyr showed up to gank only for Lee Sin to leap in and double kill us, but in truth I was useless. The bot lane fell very far behind and finished 4-17. It might have been stallable but Udyr lost his temper and began spam pinging and blaming me and Jinx while farming the jungle, so we had to attempt a defense 4v5 against a fed Ziggs, Sivir and Rumble, which was short-lived.
*I really need to learn a new tank. Maokai might be good in the LCS but his laning is way too hard for me after the nerfs. Might give Nautilus a shot.
Maybe next time. For now, the gates are closed.
At first things go quite well, with bot lane securing a kill and me collapsing on a stupid invade from Gragas to get Kha ahead. Unforunately, Anivia is cut to pieces by Talon, ending up 0-5-0 in short order, while bot lane somehow dies 2-0, both kills going to Lucian, despite their lead. Still, the game is around even heading into 20 minutes after I roamed to bot lane and Kha ended up with a quadra kill when they 4-man dove. Riven is getting free farm though. The crucial event of the game was a dragon fight at circa 23 mins where Anivia was split from the team and killed by Talon. I invested Flash/Equalizer/my life to catch him, but Lucian overran the team on the other end, and we ended up far behind, with Kha raging at Anivia (he'd been doing this anyway, but now it was constant).
From there we stalled out desperately for 20 minutes with little prospect of actually turning the game around - Talon was full build with Lucian and Riven not far behind, while Anivia had only two items 35 minutes into the game. Eventually they broke through after Kha got caught chasing Riven away.
Game 4: Utter disaster. My Rumble got picked away and I defaulted to Maokai*. He went Ignite/Amp Tome and bullied the hell out of me while Udyr paid no attention to top lane (or, to be fair, any other lane). I figured if the game went late we would outscale with Maokai/Jinx against Ziggs/Rumble, but they snowballed hard. I only died once during laning phase when an OOM Udyr showed up to gank only for Lee Sin to leap in and double kill us, but in truth I was useless. The bot lane fell very far behind and finished 4-17. It might have been stallable but Udyr lost his temper and began spam pinging and blaming me and Jinx while farming the jungle, so we had to attempt a defense 4v5 against a fed Ziggs, Sivir and Rumble, which was short-lived.
*I really need to learn a new tank. Maokai might be good in the LCS but his laning is way too hard for me after the nerfs. Might give Nautilus a shot.
Maybe next time. For now, the gates are closed.
Ah gotcha
PhillipCostigan
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so just for context, at rank 1 a fully stacked true Grit granted him 40 magic resist. 40. Rank 5? 120 MR
this is a pretty big nerf. it introduces a weakness opponents can exploit rather than just a flat nerf to his damage. Pretty healthy change imo
Wait how does true grit work. For each enemy he is surrounded by right? But damn that is a lot of mr
Wow, talk about turning things around. I'd feel bad for Shaco if only he wasn't playing that obnoxious-as-hell champion.
http://matchhistory.las.leagueofleg...40029615/202175303?tab=overview&participant=6
Finally got around to playing two more ranked games. Lost the first as Nami because our jungler was pretty meh and our Teemo fed like nine kills to Darius by himself, but won the second as ad Teemo, semi-carrying against a top Lucian with heal and ignite (?!) and going 9/1/9. Their team comp was 100% ad, so I ended up getting randuin's as my late-game tank item instead of visage, and neither jungler bothered to come top all that much, so I rushed runnan's to after getting my tabis so I could push harder and go help other lanes while the minion wave bounced back to my side of the map.
Looks like watching ipav's games really helped me step up my Teemo play even though I hadn't been playing all that much ranked as of late. I saw a couple things happen to me that were like when he was playing with his low elo smurf accounts, where the skill gap allows you to effortlessly control the lane. The only thing I definitely could've improved is that I had several chances to all-in and get a kill against Lucian that I didn't act on; I mean, getting him to back for nearly free was always nice, but I probably could've gotten an extra kill or two if only I'd have gone after him more often.
ori is great, the things soda talks about her passive play are true (imo less pronounced than he says but w/e) but i don't see it as a bad thing, specially since it's not how i like i playing her (or anyone really)
imo anivia just needs a change similar to what i said before, probably
oh yeah, hadn't thought about it that way, it probably means i can syndra him when he comes gank like lee sin or something
that's cool
i love syndra'ing people
i don't think it's a bad nerf, it creates bad matchups for him (now elise is like probably a pretty strong pick against him) and chips away at general strengths (most games have mages in em so he's now generally weaker) but it's not the end of the world either
i think they'll end up reducing his damage as well in a later patch, but i'd rather they chip away at him than just deleting him from the game like they did with leblanc
i never complain when they're taking it slow cos every champion is someone's favorite and i say it from experience, it sucks when they get nerfed into oblivion
i just completed what i'm guessing is the last big ending yesterday
i'm still kinda processing it cos there's a lot i dislike about it and a lot i do like, but like persona is like wednesday, don't waste money on nier. just play persona and buy nier later when it's cheaper. it's not that great
also breezy is as wrong about nier as he is about everything else, it took me 45 hours to get all the big endings, where the fuck he got 12 lol
it's just patience, took me 4 tries to get to play this season cos rng gave me secondary a bunch of times and had a couple bad series or whatever
you just try again until you climb, if you're at that level it's just a matter of time
it stacks with autos
You should totes give Nautilus a try. Maokai is still the best scaling tank in the game, but his laning/waveclear is so weak early on, it's not worth it. You fall too far behind before you really become a force. Naut has much better waveclear and better base damages to get through early game and start tanking up for mid game fights.
Yeah, but he can also get zoned much more easily than Mao due to his lack of ranged waveclear, right? Or did the Q mana cost and E landing damage nerfs hurt Mao that much?
My favorite tank top laner is Teemo, but only because bronze players are accustomed to fighting squishy ap Teemos, so they fail to process that going ad with mallet, defensive boots and stuff makes him that much more resilent. Things will probably change once I get into higher elo divisions, but for now it's almost like a cheese strategy that isn't actually a crutch, since it's the way pav recommends playing teemo at high elo anyway.
Ghost is Bad
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ur playing lulu it doesn't count :^)
You'd be surprised how hard it is to push a Nautilus out of lane, with his natural bulk and shields from CoC and W. The only real precaution you need to tank to play Naut top is to ban Darius, and you should be good to go.
The E landing damage nerfs hit Maokai really hard actually. His EQ combo can no longer one shot the caster minions early, making it hard to waveclear at range. Also since the mana cost on Q was increased, he has to spend more mana to waveclear, either running out of mana early or being forced to spend early gold on mana items instead of tank items, delaying his spike and making him easier to bully early on. He still scales really well, but he just gets bullied so hard early if you know what you're doing against him.
Ghost is Bad
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Ghost is Bad
Banned
tbh im surprised lulu isn't being permabanned. she's disgustingly powerful right now, easily top 3 strongest champs in the game in her current state.
Until people realize they can outpoke and out sustain her in lane and use that to win games. She is great against all in comps
Ghost is Bad
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Stone Ocean
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We're talking about the same community that never bans Janna when she's busted
Lulu has early mana problems. And no outright heals. I won't speak for everyone here but Janna and lulu are some of my favorites to lane against
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree strongly on that. It's a significantly better overall experience personally than Nier and I'm a pretty big fan of the world / franchise. To each their own but eh.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
lulu is the last champion in the world to have mana problems lol.
Invisible power isn't the same as visible power. A fed Katarina/Graves/Rengar/Yasuo/Talon feels a hell of a lot worse to play against than a Janna or a Lulu, even if both are OP OP right now.
Stone Ocean
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Janna and Lulu are visible as fuck lol
The difference is they don't make your screen gray.
Ghost is Bad
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i disagree. all of those champions have at least some counterplay in a fight while lulu is pretty much impossible to kill or kill anyone being protected by her. it's why i'm surprised that riot talks so much about counterplay and shit when lulu just point clicks for a 220 damage proc in lane at level 2.
Maybe she got a mana buff because it is known she had mana issues early game
I honestly don't care about Lulu, but then again that's mostly because I'm at trash elo, where people going for fotm champions often suck because they aren't even good enough to reach the characters' skill floor with them. For example, lb being busted as hell a while ago didn't matter because 1, low elo people only caught up to that after she was already nerfed to hell and back and 2, she being broken doesn't matter all that much when the one controlling her is Edward Scissorhands.
Tip for "op champs" like yi/fizz/trynd
Make sure your team has some cc.
But yea low Elo anything can work even if nerfed. That is why I am worried the Lux buff will hurt low elo
That's my point. In the heat of a fight, the average player doesn't notice the work she's putting in to keep her carry alive. They definitely feel it when Katarina pops out of nowhere and 100-0's them in a few seconds. That poke is annoying in lane, but the average player definitely feels it when Zyra chunks 50% of their health with a QE combo.
I get there's more problematic champions to be worked on, but it's surprising Riot let's low counter play champs like Janna and Lulu run around and say it's okay because they do no damage. Hopefully it gets fixed soon.
Stone Ocean
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They shaved off 10 mana from her least useful ability that was already pretty cheap at rank 1.
video on demacia and stuff: https://youtu.be/pxjiCFo0NZM
i'm really tired tonight so that might be a part of it but i really don't enjoy this format. those guys seem well versed and likeable and everything, but i don't want to hear them talking about what demacia is like, i want to see and hear the world of league of legends, not just imagine it. i've really lost interest in reading all the stories like i used to do because that's all there is to it, reading and reading and more reading. the stories are cool but i need more, a new dawn was 2014, i'm tired of waiting
like, i can say with complete and utter confidence that i like drakengard even if it's unquestionably terrible in so many ways, because fuck if that game didn't make me FEEL stuff. so did nier 1, nier 1 blew me away with its characters and its crazy twists and the inventiveness of the gameplay and the homages and the made up language lyrics and all of that crap. again it's got a really terrible fishing minigame and really boring combat but it's a game that took me places
not so much with nier 2, i wouldn't say i shrug off all its attempts at drawing emotion out of me but none of the characters clicked with me (except maybe pascal) and all that amazing nier 1 stuff just don't feel as clever the second time around. there's stuff to love about it and i think it's very cohesive in tone in a way that's a bit surprising considering how all over the place it can be but the response it got out of me isn't even close to the other games
do play it but considering persona is less than a week away and it's fucking persona just don't waste money on a game you should put down when fucking persona comes out. wait, buy it when it's cheaper, don't waste money
like seriously it's fucking persona
cmon
i'm really tired tonight so that might be a part of it but i really don't enjoy this format. those guys seem well versed and likeable and everything, but i don't want to hear them talking about what demacia is like, i want to see and hear the world of league of legends, not just imagine it. i've really lost interest in reading all the stories like i used to do because that's all there is to it, reading and reading and more reading. the stories are cool but i need more, a new dawn was 2014, i'm tired of waiting
i have a lot of trouble deciding if i actually liked it, nier 2 is a really weird game for me as a fan of the series
like, i can say with complete and utter confidence that i like drakengard even if it's unquestionably terrible in so many ways, because fuck if that game didn't make me FEEL stuff. so did nier 1, nier 1 blew me away with its characters and its crazy twists and the inventiveness of the gameplay and the homages and the made up language lyrics and all of that crap. again it's got a really terrible fishing minigame and really boring combat but it's a game that took me places
not so much with nier 2, i wouldn't say i shrug off all its attempts at drawing emotion out of me but none of the characters clicked with me (except maybe pascal) and all that amazing nier 1 stuff just don't feel as clever the second time around. there's stuff to love about it and i think it's very cohesive in tone in a way that's a bit surprising considering how all over the place it can be but the response it got out of me isn't even close to the other games
do play it but considering persona is less than a week away and it's fucking persona just don't waste money on a game you should put down when fucking persona comes out. wait, buy it when it's cheaper, don't waste money
like seriously it's fucking persona
cmon
What I actually meant is that it works both ways, since bronze players picking a fotm champion they have no prior experience of playing with before often leads to "but faker did <awesome thing>!" and 0/99 scores as they try to pretend they're a lcs player when they don't even know how to cs reliably.
Low elo is a very weird place where I can dodge Lux Q-style skillshots nearly all the time, but everybody else I play with just has to walk into them 100% of the time. Like, how the heck can you get hit by a Morgana Q at max range when you aren't even in the middle of a fight and there're no obstacles to block your pathfinding? Just stop walkng away from her in a straight line, for crying out loud!
Hydrophobic
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Speaking as someone who has played only lulu in ranked for the past couple weeks, she does not have mana problems in lane. If you're not a monkey spamming your spells as soon as they come off CD as Lulu you won't go OOM. I'm struggling to remember a time where I felt like I was dangerously low mana unless I stayed in lane a long time after like a 3v3 with the junglers
Lol dead! Been there done that. You just gotta get good enough to carry your whole entire team
I have a similar sentiment on playing almost any support in lane. Before I'd often run out of mana at the most innoportune of times, but thigns have gotten way better after I stopped spamming my abilities as soon as they came off of cooldown, like you said.
Yea, I'm planning on going Teemo and Nami otp on their respective lanes for the foreseeable future, and sticking to them should really help me step my general macro and micro up rather than focusing on juggling the different playstyles of each champion I play. Plus, it means I'll be more aware of how I should play bad match-ups and why certain champions are strong against mine instead of simply falling back to a counterpick of my own.
There you go. I literally went from silver 5-to gold 5 spamming nami/braum. you can win bad matchups if you know the reason why it is bad march up and play around it.
The same reason I hate people who counterpick at low elo. Like, what's the point of going counterpick if you have barely any experience on that champion? Playing at a skill tier where you're basically a potato means all match-up data is moot for the most part (some stuff such as Singed vs ranged champs is still hell no matter what, though), and what actually defines games is who sucks less at wave management, map awareness, cs, vision and picking their battles.
Orochinagis
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You know what Riot should be doing?
Working of faction nations ingame of each faction champion spotlights instead of walls of texts outside the client.
I think we got Zaun and Demacia icon (outside the game client), Demacia got the spotlight twice
Sr Kitsune
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I just finished reading the new bios of Demacia, now to read the stories of the champions.
I enjoyed the bios but I agree Riot should work more in showing the world of League of Legends.
I want videos.
I enjoyed the bios but I agree Riot should work more in showing the world of League of Legends.
I want videos.
LOL
My logic is "don't reveal your pick ever", since that avoids people saying "play a real champion instead, like <insert FotM here>". The only downside is Teemo tends to get banned in bronze because nobody likes him anyway, but at least I don't think you should have any issues as Nami.