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[Sorian]

You say the reason for aggression is wrong, based on what, your own word? You also say don't be so trusting, so why trust you now? I have decided not to

Considering I think you are scum, I can't really say that I care. It's easy enough to see that I play aggressive more often than not and has nothing to do with alignment so if you want to keep pushing an NAI point then feel free.

Sorry to leave this so long, been busy.

Kawl made a very obvious joke vote on cabot, and somehow it generated a page of discussion.

I vote for Cabot every game (whether he's playing or not) but this one seemed to strike a nerve.

Besides that, I'd usually have found some reason to town read Cabot by now, but it's not happening so far.

I have a slight town read on cabot already, he's stayed mostly level headed which isn't much but I feel like he is actually reading the thread and is trying to move it with specific questions.

 

[Sorian]

This post made me townread Sorian a bit, he picked up on Ty's posts in the same way I did.

I think the random Stan read is interesting. I've liked Stan's posts so far (particularly how easily he dismissed my joke vote on cabot) but I don't know if I agree that he's been "normal". Sorian can elaborate on what you meant by that?

Not really random, I threw it in there because he was actually posting before I went to bed last night and was the only new read I had from those posting. As for normal, I mean for him. Stanley has that doesn't care attitude with playing. I don't even know if he has been scum yet ever but I feel like when he does, he'd be a little bit more into it (maybe, this is the same guy that will sit on his cool PRs until way later in the game than he should so it might mean nothing).

 

[*Splinter]

Magnum had a flurry of posts lately, I found them mostly "ok sort of good enough I guess", although this one stood out as being a bit over the top in its meekness.

Honestly, the only reason I am voting for AB is because he hasn't voted yet. I know that won't change his mind, but I can't really find anyone else to vote for right now.

As for the whole "active" thing, my perception of active is different from everyone else, since I am not really a very active player. A lot of this can probably be rust since I haven't played in awhile. I'm sorry if that comes across as wrong to you guys, and I understand if you think it seems scummy.

This is a weak town read, and that meekness gives me pause.

 

[*Splinter]

Not really random, I threw it in there because he was actually posting before I went to bed last night and was the only new read I had from those posting. As for normal, I mean for him. Stanley has that doesn't care attitude with playing. I don't even know if he has been scum yet ever but I feel like when he does, he'd be a little bit more into it (maybe, this is the same guy that will sit on his cool PRs until way later in the game than he should so it might mean nothing).

Ok so this explanation is sticking out to me a bit because I can't agree with it. I feel like Stan is trying a bit harder than usual. Not so much that I think he's scum but enough that I disagree with you calling him his normal self.

 

[Natiko]

I know I'm still fairly new to these games but you're going to have to show the receipts on how Ty's participation where he has shared actual reads, questioned people for more info, etc. is equivalent to scum while Magnum gets a town read from posting nothing of use and then just dismissing the criticism of his "logic" for the vote.

 

[*Splinter]

I know I'm still fairly new to these games but you're going to have to show the receipts on how Ty's participation where he has shared actual reads, questioned people for more info, etc. is equivalent to scum while Magnum gets a town read from posting nothing of use and then just dismissing the criticism of his "logic" for the vote.

Are you talking to me? Because I don't understand the last part of this post

 

[Sorian]

Ok so this explanation is sticking out to me a bit because I can't agree with it. I feel like Stan is trying a bit harder than usual. Not so much that I think he's scum but enough that I disagree with you calling him his normal self.

Where do you see him trying harder than usual? His timing is all the same so definitely doesn't care enough to have more thread presence and, while he was here, he was super surface level and all of his questions were softballs at best.

 

[Sophia]

I don't know if I'd describe Stanley's attitude as "doesn't care" so much as "laid back" And considering it's won him games, I can't exactly fault him for it.

That being said, a quick look over his posts doesn't show much actual engagement on his part.

I know I'm still fairly new to these games but you're going to have to show the receipts on how Ty's participation where he has shared actual reads, questioned people for more info, etc. is equivalent to scum while Magnum gets a town read from posting nothing of use and then just dismissing the criticism of his "logic" for the vote.

While I disagree with Splinter in regards to that being a town read in any sense, as it's a very easy statement to make as scum. Ty has a lot of "fluff" questions in his posts. Questions that, when you look at them, make you think "Does this really help get anyone closer to finding scum?"

For example.

What is your experience with mafia?

If this is your first game as town, what is different from playing as scum?

<3
We gotta talk together tomorrow

We need something to talk about:
-What do you think about Sorian/Sophia and Sorian/Kawl?
-What do you make of Acohrs asking magnum about pineapple on pizza too?

I haven't tunneled on you. Not sure if that is good or bad.

-Have you made an attempt to read Nin? If so what was it?
-Your Sorian read is interesting, but feels a little shallow. Could you elaborate a bit more?

I don't like this post, feels overly confident.

Who are you worried about, Natiko?

You still feel very different from Persona. What is different to you in this game? Like what are you doing here that you weren't in Persona etc?

Is there anything else behind your vote?

What are your reads of Splinter and Kyan then?

He's also been fishing for reads with some of those questions. Which, on it's own isn't really alignment indicative, but does raise eyebrows when you take into account the other fluff questions.

 

[Sorian]

I know I'm still fairly new to these games but you're going to have to show the receipts on how Ty's participation where he has shared actual reads, questioned people for more info, etc. is equivalent to scum while Magnum gets a town read from posting nothing of use and then just dismissing the criticism of his "logic" for the vote.

"Actual" reads is very debatable, he posted a reads list but that doesn't actually mean anything if the reads themselves are all fairly weak. Read it again and tell me how much of it you feel is real thought and how much of it is just echoing sentiment in the thread. Questioning for more info is whatever, I feel like the only person in the thread who has asked meaningful questions is cabot and I think I recall Kawl asking something interesting after I dropped him for a bit.

 

[franconp]

I'm home now. This are my thoughts so far:

-acohrs: I have him at the top of my probably scum list. First was the prod on magnum which wasn't a prod really, then he decided to prod AB when Cabot had already done the same and lastly, and worse to me, tried to push vote on inactives at the start of the second day. All that things seems scummy to me.

-Stan: I said it before but he isn't playing as he did the only game I played with him before. It isn't a scum read but it's bugging me.

-Sorian: Sorian seems more aggressive that what I remember of him. He has gone after several players with little to back it up. I'm still not sure what his aligment could be but players who contribute as much as Sorian aren't usually my target the first day (unless they make a big mistake) because you have something to work later in the game.

-Magnum: This last vote from Magnum really worried me. The explanation is very weak. Like he tried to make a simple vote to gain some presence in the game but he has given nothing so far. We don't know how he feels of none of the players so far.

From the rest: I usually read Sophia, Ty and Splinter as town and nothing has make me feel wrong so far. Cabot too.
Melon was a big presence before the game started but she has been mostly gone since (but it's the weekend so I won't be to hard on that).
Kawl has mostly been defending himself but haven't given us more to work beside that I think.
Kyan was coasting a lot but he seemed to participate a bit more lately.
I'm worried about Yneek and Pop as they seem absent from the game.
And I really don't know what to think of Nin.

The rest are mostly null reads.

 

[Natiko]

I guess maybe it's just different perspectives that I have as a newer player compared to you all but to me trying to get people to share opinions is good. Do you think it's best that scum are never pushed to give reads which can later be used as evidence against them if they are inconsistent or some of their partners are discovered? Was it scummy for me to ask franconp what his thoughts were a bit ago? There are a lot of people in this game who have posted a good amount while managing to only share thoughts on a few people. I would bet I could count on one hand the amount of people that have shared more actual reads than Ty's. His reads were brief, but then again how many here have given in-depth reads?

Magnum had a flurry of posts lately, I found them mostly "ok sort of good enough I guess", although this one stood out as being a bit over the top in its meekness.

This is a weak town read, and that meekness gives me pause.

Are you talking to me? Because I don't understand the last part of this post

Yes, you just posted above that you were giving a weak town read to Magnum for posts that as far as I see do nothing to make him look good. He makes claims about AbsolutBro that don't make sense and then when pressured on it he just disregarded the criticism and basically said that's how he saw it at the time.

 

[Bronx-Man]

cabot and Sophia are acting like they normally do, so they're not on my radar right now. Same for Czar and Ty.

AB is someone I've got my eye on for not posting that much. Though if I used "not posting a lot" and "doesn't like D1's" for voting someone scum, I'd probably be a tremendous hypocrite.

Magnum is someone I need to focus a bit on. Not sure what their usual play-style is since the only game we were in was WWE and that was a while back.

 

[Natiko]

That being said, a quick look over his posts doesn't show much actual engagement on his part.



While I disagree with Splinter in regards to that being a town read in any sense, as it's a very easy statement to make as scum. Ty has a lot of "fluff" questions in his posts. Questions that, when you look at them, make you think "Does this really help get anyone closer to finding scum?"

For example.

He's also been fishing for reads with some of those questions. Which, on it's own isn't really alignment indicative, but does raise eyebrows when you take into account the other fluff questions.

Sure, but he took the time to post it and put something out there which is more than I can say for a lot of the players currently. If we want to just go through and cherry pick posts that are fluffy, don't give a hard stance, or just ask questions that don't seem like they'll lead to much of anything we can do that.

Eh, whatever you want to call them.

I really hope I don't need to state my stance on pineapple to Melon.



Hey, Bronx, are you scum?

What about you, Fran? Are you scum?

Why would scum make such a statement in plain view of town?

I'm insulted, Bronx. The only time I've ever tunneled you is when I'm town.

Give more credit to scum!Sophia.

Nothing in particular that I haven't already said. If I jumped at everyone who found me suspicious, I'd get nowhere.

Some of them (CzarTim, CCS) I don't have a particular read on. Ty4on I have a slight gut town read, if only because of past experiences.

The one time I played with Scum!Ty he was a bit more all over the place, versus town Ty who picks at stuff more. It's an early gut read, but one that gives me a slight town feeling from him right now.

Penny for your thoughts, especially now that Kawl has personally satisfied himself with a vote on you?

Or I guess another way to sum up my stance on Nin is: "He feels more proactive then usual, but nothing else super stands out."

A lot of the opinions and posts you've made can be viewed as fluff, the reads aren't particularly strong for the most part either. You made a longer post looking into nin and then the very next post boiled it down to "I dunno" as seen above.

 

[*Splinter]

I guess maybe it's just different perspectives that I have as a newer player compared to you all but to me trying to get people to share opinions is good. Do you think it's best that scum are never pushed to give reads which can later be used as evidence against them if they are inconsistent or some of their partners are discovered? Was it scummy for me to ask franconp what his thoughts were a bit ago? There are a lot of people in this game who have posted a good amount while managing to only share thoughts on a few people. I would bet I could count on one hand the amount of people that have shared more actual reads than Ty's. His reads were brief, but then again how many here have given in-depth reads?




Yes, you just posted above that you were giving a weak town read to Magnum for posts that as far as I see do nothing to make him look good. He makes claims about AbsolutBro that don't make sense and then when pressured on it he just disregarded the criticism and basically said that's how he saw it at the time.

I think you're confusing good/bad play with alignment. I'd expect "good play" from Ty in any game regardless of his alignment, and his abundance of reads and questions are certainly "good".

But do I think they're townie? No I think those posts stuck too closely to script. They feel careful in a way that would benefit scum Ty more than town Ty.

On the other hand Magnum is more of a lurker. I generally don't see as many reads/questions coming from him and this game is no different. It's not particularly "good play" but it's at least consistent with my expectations. On top of that I thought he responded to pressure fairly apart from the one post I noted as being too meek.

 

[Sophia]

I guess maybe it's just different perspectives that I have as a newer player compared to you all but to me trying to get people to share opinions is good. Do you think it's best that scum are never pushed to give reads which can later be used as evidence against them if they are inconsistent or some of their partners are discovered? Was it scummy for me to ask franconp what his thoughts were a bit ago? There are a lot of people in this game who have posted a good amount while managing to only share thoughts on a few people. I would bet I could count on one hand the amount of people that have shared more actual reads than Ty's. His reads were brief, but then again how many here have given in-depth reads?

I guess to give you an actual example would be an older game we played called Danny Phantom. I subbed in and Ty immediately began chumming it up with me, and generally being pretty proactive and engaging in responding to my questions and inquiries. He looked town.

I died in the following night phase because Ty suggested it in scum chat, and town was none the wiser.

You have to look into the intent behind a read or a question. Scum want to look as town as possible while not trying to rock the boat and draw suspicion to themselves. That's why we see so many attempts at pushing others, and why I called out CzarTim earlier for his half-hearted push on Ty.

I'm not saying that Ty is, without a shadow of a doubt, scum. But there's a handful of things in his posts that suddenly give me pause. Certainly, not everyone will agree with that tho. A big factor will figuring out those who are disagreeing because they're town and they think I have it wrong and those who are scum trying to earn town points or direct their attention away from a scum partner.

 

[Natiko]

I guess this all could just be my naivety showing. I don't want to derail further when it's clear that many people with more experience than me are in agreement here. I just wanted to at least get more perspective on it since I wasn't seeing it myself. Thanks all.

 

[Sophia]

Ahh, I see Splinter basically said something akin to what I was saying, although in better terms perhaps.

Sure, but he took the time to post it and put something out there which is more than I can say for a lot of the players currently. If we want to just go through and cherry pick posts that are fluffy, don't give a hard stance, or just ask questions that don't seem like they'll lead to much of anything we can do that.

A lot of the opinions and posts you've made can be viewed as fluff, the reads aren't particularly strong for the most part either. You made a longer post looking into nin and then the very next post boiled it down to "I dunno" as seen above.

Indeed, and this read of yours actually does make me feel slightly confident about you. Not everyone will play perfect from day to day tho, especially with a phase lasting three or four real life day phases. It's why I'm big on encouraging active engagement vs just actively tossing reads out and being passive.

In regards to the Nin post, I admit it's kind of a habit of mine to try and "show the work" as to how I kind of got to that thought process.

 

[Ty4on]

No, no suspicion after another player raised their suspicion. You just flippantly dismissed their opinion and when asked by me to expand on what you meant, you turned very defensive. That's a very interesting response and coupled with how aggressive you've been in responses to other players, I think you're trying to get other players to leave you alone. At any rate you don't seem to want to help town, so...

Vote: Sorian

I didn't quite understand the progression of this vote. What do you mean by Sorian being unhelpful to town?

 

[*Splinter]

I know I'm still fairly new to these games but

I guess maybe it's just different perspectives that I have as a newer player compared to you all but

I guess this all could just be my naivety showing.

I like your earlier posts, but you're pushing the newbie angle really hard here. This was 3 of your last 4 posts, all in a fairly small window of time.

 

[Natiko]

I like your earlier posts, but you're pushing the newbie angle really hard here. This was 3 of your last 4 posts, all in a fairly small window of time.

Well I don't want to come across like an ass, but I was pushing up against several people and struggling to see the validity of the arguments being made.

 

[Sorian]

I guess maybe it's just different perspectives that I have as a newer player compared to you all but to me trying to get people to share opinions is good. Do you think it's best that scum are never pushed to give reads which can later be used as evidence against them if they are inconsistent or some of their partners are discovered? Was it scummy for me to ask franconp what his thoughts were a bit ago? There are a lot of people in this game who have posted a good amount while managing to only share thoughts on a few people. I would bet I could count on one hand the amount of people that have shared more actual reads than Ty's. His reads were brief, but then again how many here have given in-depth reads?

This is an odd sentence since it sets up a weird strawman. Nobody said getting people to share opinions is bad, they said that Ty was being fake about it and following a script that looked good. There's a difference and I find it hard to believe that you don't see it.

 

[Natiko]

This is an odd sentence since it sets up a weird strawman. Nobody said getting people to share opinions is bad, they said that Ty was being fake about it and following a script that looked good. There's a difference and I find it hard to believe that you don't see it.

And I pointed out that the reasoning for the claims of this seems weak. Do you think Sophia is doing the same thing then? Because I found plenty of posts that are just as weak there. Your biggest argument thus far was against Bronx and almost every post you made against him you said you could see those actions being made by someone that is town or scum. How exactly is that analysis supposed to be helpful? It's almost like you were following a script that looked good as well. You yourself said to me earlier that all reads are weak on day one. I do not see the difference between Ty's supposed fake reads and your and Sophia's weak reads.

 

[Ty4on]

Work actually took 9 hours o.o

Awww, thanks Natiko.

I town read you, Natiko, as well. I really didn't like how different you were from Persona, but your explanation makes a lot of sense. The thing that most makes me town read you is just thinking rationally it is weird for a scum player to change their playstyle to be more aggressive, and, again, reasonable for a townie to do that. Your reads also strike me as reasoned, but not that safe either. I'd like to hear more about his read of Sorian and maybe Sophia, but I guess that will come from this interaction they're having.

I have to look into your read of Melon. As I said earlier she feels town and not like her scum persona that I know, but she's also not playing in a super townie way.

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Sorian and Sophia, you two both town read me early on. How did your reads change?
And yes Sophia, I ask a lot of questions. That's pretty much my playstyle and after Kawl complained about my vote stifling discussion I thought about making posts that'd get me learning more about what people thought of other people.

 

[Ty4on]

I guess to give you an actual example would be an older game we played called Danny Phantom. I subbed in and Ty immediately began chumming it up with me, and generally being pretty proactive and engaging in responding to my questions and inquiries. He looked town.

Didn't you have doubts of my alignment that you didn't share in the thread/noticed at night?

 

[Sophia]

Didn't you have doubts of my alignment that you didn't share in the thread/noticed at night?

I had some doubts, but I trusted my "logic", rather then my gut. ._.

 

[melonrabbit]

I have returned and am going to reread the whole thread. if you have any questions for me now is the time to ask. I'll be with y'all momentarily.

 

[Ty4on]

I have returned and am going to reread the whole thread. if you have any questions for me now is the time to ask. I'll be with y'all momentarily.

Splinter, also compared to how he was in The Price is Right.

 

[Sorian]

And I pointed out that the reasoning for the claims of this seems weak. Do you think Sophia is doing the same thing then? Because I found plenty of posts that are just as weak there. Your biggest argument thus far was against Bronx and almost every post you made against him you said you could see those actions being made by someone that is town or scum. How exactly is that analysis supposed to be helpful? It's almost like you were following a script that looked good as well. You yourself said to me earlier that all reads are weak on day one. I do not see the difference between Ty's supposed fake reads and your and Sophia's weak reads.

If you think my biggest argument thus far is Bronx then you aren't reading what I'm saying, I definitely put Ty4on and Acohrs (that might be spelled wrong again, didn't go to look and just went by memory, sorry if so) closer to scum then Bronx at this point.

Work actually took 9 hours o.o

Awww, thanks Natiko.

I town read you, Natiko, as well. I really didn't like how different you were from Persona, but your explanation makes a lot of sense. The thing that most makes me town read you is just thinking rationally it is weird for a scum player to change their playstyle to be more aggressive, and, again, reasonable for a townie to do that. Your reads also strike me as reasoned, but not that safe either. I'd like to hear more about his read of Sorian and maybe Sophia, but I guess that will come from this interaction they're having.

I have to look into your read of Melon. As I said earlier she feels town and not like her scum persona that I know, but she's also not playing in a super townie way.

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Sorian and Sophia, you two both town read me early on. How did your reads change?
And yes Sophia, I ask a lot of questions. That's pretty much my playstyle and after Kawl complained about my vote stifling discussion I thought about making posts that'd get me learning more about what people thought of other people.

You started talking and it was clear that you were too dry and not interested in solving.

 

[Ty4on]

You started talking and it was clear that you were too dry and not interested in solving.

But I was talking... &#128528;

Why are you so confident after misreading me in Persona?

 

[Kawl_USC]

finally got home

gonna read the thousands of posts and have something semi-productive out in the next few hours

 

[melonrabbit]

Splinter, also compared to how he was in The Price is Right.

Definitely feels a little mellow in what I've read so far. He doesn't seem too off. He does get distance when he's scum but that is normally late game, early game he runs a very pro-town leadership kind-of role.

Open question -- I'm taking notes about who said what to who post by post for each page. If it would be interesting or helpful I can post it in the thread, just curious.

 

[Natiko]

If you think my biggest argument thus far is Bronx then you aren't reading what I'm saying, I definitely put Ty4on and Acohrs (that might be spelled wrong again, didn't go to look and just went by memory, sorry if so) closer to scum then Bronx at this point.

I don't mean biggest argument as in he is your top scum pick. I mean you invested the most posts in your argument with him than you have an argument for Ty or acohrs.

 

[Ty4on]

Definitely feels a little mellow in what I've read so far. He doesn't seem too off. He does get distance when he's scum but that is normally late game, early game he runs a very pro-town leadership kind-of role.

Open question -- I'm taking notes about who said what to who post by post for each page. If it would be interesting or helpful I can post it in the thread, just curious.

Guess I gotta give PiR a read then

Sure. Is it for W/W or just general read?

Spoiler

W/W, wolf/wolf, usually used to see if two people interact as if they weren't both scum

I kinda think Sorian/Sophia are not on the same team after they wrote so close in parallel. It looks kinda scummy that they're not talking much too eachother, but it looks too obvious. Like this defence:

I find it amusing that acohrs ignored the actual comment regarding himself, and instead focused on Sorian's comment on Absolut.

I think I've only played with Absolut once or twice? Don't really have enough information to judge his playstyle.

Also dunno about Kawl anymore, seeing as he's not really around to chat. Meh.

Scum generally don't defend their mates like this.

 

[Ty4on]

*same scum team -_-

 

[Natiko]

Definitely feels a little mellow in what I've read so far. He doesn't seem too off. He does get distance when he's scum but that is normally late game, early game he runs a very pro-town leadership kind-of role.

Open question -- I'm taking notes about who said what to who post by post for each page. If it would be interesting or helpful I can post it in the thread, just curious.

I would be interested in seeing that if you don't mind.

 

[melonrabbit]

Guess I gotta give PiR a read then

Sure. Is it for W/W or just general read?

Spoiler

W/W, wolf/wolf, usually used to see if two people interact as if they weren't both scum

I kinda think Sorian/Sophia are not on the same team after they wrote so close in parallel. It looks kinda scummy that they're not talking much too eachother, but it looks too obvious. Like this defence:


Scum generally don't defend their mates like this.

It is literally a sentence summary of each post for each page. Quite long.

 

[Ty4on]

It is literally a sentence summary of each post for each page. Quite long.

It's not like this thread is flooded with content

 

[melonrabbit]

Fine. Here's what I got. Only on page 9.

So, it is super long. Sorry for usernames misspellings.

Page 5:
Sorian opens and votes for Natiko.
I posted a short survey and voted for Splinter.
Ty immediately goes after Sorian, joking.
Sophia comments prod vote in relations to Ty and Sorian, per usually dismisses the whole thing but humors my questionnaire

Page 6:
Bronx places a vote on me right away, those probably left over from the shitposting pregame
Sophia asks Bronx if he's scum
Pop comes in and votes for Sophia because of her prod vote comment
I mock Bronx with a witty pun.
Bronx responds to Sophia comment with "Czar and nin" in the scum chat told him to say yes.
I want further answers from Sophia regarding Megan Fox and Tattoo
Ty4on gives his answers in crayon to my survey.
Sophia sarcastically response to Pop vote on her with usual anime girl picture, not sure what to make of Bronx's joke (?) about scum chat and answers the questions on the survey.
I make sure Ty knows I'm disappointed in his laziness
Ty4on asks Bronx if it just three scum.
Fran wants to lynch Kyan because of the odds.
Ty4on says we gotta find his scum mates first.
Pop comes back to add that the streak (of Kyan being scum) was broken that game.
Sorian says that Pop vote on Sophia was grasping at straws but puts a vote on Bronx for the scum chat joke, anyhow even after pointing out the irony.
Magnum shows up to answer my survey and complain about it. Says nothing about the game.
Bronx says yes to there being 3 scum.
Kyan pops in to claim his a lost partner.
CCS puts a rather strange vote on Cabot to annoy him.
Fran again comments on the odds and says Kyan being scum 5/6 is good enough for him. Jokingly?
Bronx gifs his response to Sorian's vote. Doesn't say anything else.
Ty4on (I believe) says he finds Pop scummier for his vote on Sophia and Bronx more NAI.
Sophia asks a second person directly if they're scum.
I commented on Fran's liking the odds and find this unlike him.
Kyan answers my survey in Kyan fashion but doesn't say much of anything.
Fran to Sophia insists he is town, according to his PM.
Fran responds to me with "This has just started. Will keep the crazy rumblings for later." which I'm not sure what to make off.
Acohrs appears and puts a vote on Magnum, steals my survey question.
CCS talks to Acohrs. Jokes about modkilling.
I pointed out to CCS that likely Cabot is drunk and won't be around so it is a useless prod vote.
Nin gives 110% to my survey.
Sorian insists both Pop and Bronx are scummy. Asks about how new CCS and Acohrs are.
I tell Acohrs it is not nice to steal other's hard work.
CCS immediately backs off the Cabot vote and talks about his should've known better.
Nin has questions for Sorian.
Nin wants to know who CCS is.
CCS responds to Sorian and discuss role in Pop game.
Nin asks Fran questions.
CCS assures Nin that he is vanilla town.
Sorian says my posts are attention seeking but NAI, Pop will be MIA, Bronx is trying to play it cool and Ty gives him good feelings thus far. And Fran's odd comment is eyebrow raising.
Sophia says hello to Nin
Ty wants to know why Sorian finds both Pop and especially Bronx's scummy.
Nin asks Fran another question and Bronx. He keeps wording things like "What you looking to achieve" and "What are you willing to do to not lose" etc.
Sorian acknowledges that no one is new, new and jokes about Ty giving him shit for the pre-made post ages ago.
Ty points out CCS vanilla role claim.
Sorian disagree with Ty about Bronx and says his isn't behavior he has previously seen from Bronx in the past.
Ty says it is typical.
Bronx says Sorian needs to pay attention.
Fran responds to Nin's first series of question to him about improving their relationship. Says it is in the past and Nin shouldn't worry. Unless he is scum. Ask if Nin is scum.
Sophia ends the page saying that she sees nothing that indicates Bronx being scum to her. But maybe later in the day phase.

The behavior of Nin stands out to me, rapidly asking everyone questions. CCS and Acohrs constantly back and forth throughout the thread has seemed a little off. CCS backing down from his prod vote on Cabot seems strange as well but then later he doesn't and keep it. Sophia is quieter than I expect.

 

[Sophia]

Sophia ends the page saying that she sees nothing that indicates Bronx being scum to her. But maybe later in the day phase.

I don't really see anything alignment indicative of Bronx's actions right now, to be honest. At least not based off my past experiences playing with him. He's seems slightly more aggressive then in previous games, but that could easily be attributed to a number of things (like more experience with playing) besides alignment.

Something to look at later in the day phase, perhaps?

Your note taking skills need work.

"nothing alignment indicative" != "not scum"

 

[Ty4on]

That doesn't look that long to me. Maybe I'm spoiled after sharing a mason chat with Sophia

 

[melonrabbit]

Your note taking skills need work.

"nothing alignment indicative" != "not scum"

Sophia, I'm trying my best here.

 

[melonrabbit]

Page 7:
Ty posts some examples of Bronx's past town behavior from Pokemon
Ty comments on Sophia's odd phrasing "Something to look at later in the day phase, perhaps?" and it feels scummy to him
Fran clarify finally that his "odds comment" was a joke.
Nin responses to Sorian's thoughts. Wouldn't over think my posts but raised his curiosity, hopes Pop's won't be MIA, wonders if Bronx has a good role. and Ty is consistent to Nin. Says he always scum reads Fran
Bronx is annoyed. If he's inactive, we think he's scum, he is posts on D1, we think he's scum.
Kyan comments on how pretty Nin's avatar???
Sophia responds to Ty statement on her comment and ask why scum would makes such a statement.
Fran is annoyed that nin can't spell his name.
Nin responds to Fran. He is NOT scum.
That nin gives Fran a pretty picture. Weird exchange.
Acohrs takes time to address my complaint his stealing my survey and nothing else.
Oh, wait, Acohrs waits to get serious now.
Sorian says in response to Ty's Bronx examples that the name dropping is a problem and he has done the same as scum and town.
Acohrs talks about Bronx's avatar and that's why we're are picking on him (who is we?)
Nin responses to Acohrs and says that normally Bronx is more of a scared Bronx.
Natiko (first post?) promises to catch up.
Bronx wants to know when he is ever scared to Nin.
Nin says back to Bronx says there were a couple of times Bronx didn't response to accusations.
Bronx claims he always responds.
Sorian says to Bronx that is argument is silly as all D1 and a lot of D2 reads are weak.
I tell Bronx he got too cocky.
Magnum is back to ... talk about pizza toppings and doesn't comment that Acohrs has a vote on him.
Sophia not sure about Nin's Bronx is "too scared" comment and puts a vote on Sorian for his Bronx's push.
Bronx doesn't like pineapple on pizza.
Nin gives a quality Lady Gaga gif
Acohrs says Magnum is okay (although he didn't response to Acohrs vote or the game at large) but also says he won't unvote Magnum. Says some other none sense. Hard to follow.
Sorian in response to Sophia clarifies that there isn't a universal scum behavior.
I emphasizes I am not an attention seeker (this probably not true) and I'm not the biggest attention-seeker in the thread anyhow (meaning Acohrs). Says I'm not for a Bronx vote.
Natiko is back. Answers survey. Comments on Bronx's "Czar and nin" comment and Kyan's "lost partner" and links them together as possibly being scum sowing confusion. Agrees with Sophia's vote on Sorian. Doesn't like Acohrs won't unvote.
Fran responds to Natiko on the Kyan front and says that Kyan is most likely is sowing confusion. but it would be a bold move for scum. and if there is one and if we get rid of them than Kyan would be a main suspect
Sophia comments back to Sorian's modifier. And asks if looks like Bronx's meta.
I want Ty to answer my survey.
Stan joins, almost aces the survey. Makes a pun to Achors.
Stan adds that the hubbub around Bronx is funny. and that Day 1's are fun.
Sorian assumes I was talking about Nin is my post and says he always ignores nin because they're fluff posts, despite the fact the majority of D1 nin has been asking question and engaging more directly in conversation and using less flash and gifs. Responds to Natiko's comment that is hedging his bets. Says not omnipotent and wants to know if he's playing different to Natiko than in Persona. Agrees with Fran's post about Kyan and that Kyan has a target if there is a secret partner. Answers Sophia about Bronx's meta and says that people change from game to game.
I ask Stan who he'd like to lynch, who feels off.
Bronx says to Stan he is ganged up on in every game. Lists them.
Ty answers the survey.
Natiko says Sorian seem more confident in Persona and that he wasn't as worried about people's opinions as Sorian appears to be now.
I acknowledge I don't know what NAI means and that, to Sorian, I wasn't referring to Nin who had a light presence thus far. I asked Sorian who has it interested or doesn't.
Sophia tell me what NAI is.
Stan responds to me and says Pop feels off to him.
Bronx makes a sex joke.
Stan responds to Bronx's sex joke with a sex joke.
I thank Sophia and let Ty know his answers were terrible (they are). I respond to Stan's Pop pick and say he wouldn't be my first choice. Try to steer Bronx into answering some thoughts about the game.
Sophia doesn't like the way I worded a question.
Fran says this is 6/7 on the Crab scale and randomly brings up that there are non-traditional roles and possibly mechanic too.
I tell Sophia the question was worded from Bronx's prospective.
Sophia seems to accept that answer. And says to Fran that is possibly there are non-traditional roles/mechanics.
I don't know what the crab scale is

Natiko seems off to me and his exchanges with Sorian as a little odd. Sorian did have the opening post vote on Natiko. Not sure how I feel about Fran bringing up the discussion of game mechanism when we have no evidence and nothing to go on—unless we put some merit into Kyan’s lost partner claim. Stan also seems very jokey and not seriously engaged with the thread.


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Fran points me to Outer Gafia where the scale is and has reviewed a sample post of the winning condition. Questions if there is more than one threat to town.
Sophia says to Fran that is a standard win condition and it meant to be ambiguous.
Stan responds to me questioning him choosing Pop and says he wants "to do my part to ensure that no one here goes unappreciated amidst all the ruckus."
Sorian says we're 3 hours and therefore he wouldn't be as confident like in Persona to Natiko. Repost his earlier read in respond to my question.
Bronx answer me and says he's calmed down a bit now since it is just Sorian and everyone else is being goofy.
I tell Sorian I skimmed it. Ask how he feels about Acohrs.
I also ask Bronx is anyone feels a little too into character
Bronx says no, everyone is in line with how he'd expect on D1.
I leave for the night but question both Ty and Sophia having votes on Sorian.
Ynnek (holy crap Ynnek is in this game??) answers survey questions and leaves.
Natiko puts a vote on Acohrs for not unvoting on Magnum
Acohrs responds to this and says it just too annoying.
CzarTim enters and puts a vote on Sophia, claiming she is just plain awkward to him. Really doesn't like her "Why would scum make such a statement in plain view of town?" comment.
Sorian says Acohrs isn't even on his radar. Says his not unvoting isn't very important to him (meaning Sorian.)
CzarTim says Acohrs shouldn't vote Magnum because he's only had two posts.
CCS says Sophia is also seeming weird to them too. Leaving a vote on Cab though.
Cabot (shows up like 20 minutes later) doesn't like my defense of Bronx. Doesn't agree with Nin that Bronx is a scared player. Doesn't think much of Fran's non-traditional role/mechanic discussion. Responds to CCS about Sorian (though CCS was talking about Sophia) and wants scum tips.
Cabot puts a prod vote on Kawl
Cabot doesn't think Kyan will be useful. More gifs.
CzarTim doesn't like "what would scum do" line of thought. Thinks the games has enough shit poster to make it easy for scum to blend in.
Cabot responds to Ynnek's only post and wants to know Ynnek’s thoughts on Zelda.
Cabot doesn't think Sophia is scummy and normally does but she's always town. Need more evidence to believe she's scum.
CCS wants to know who has not posted.
Cabot answers CCS - AB, Splinter and Kawl
CCS thanks Cabot and puts a vote on AB
CzarTim is sarcastically to CCS (after just talking about shit posting being a bad thing)
Acohrs does want to unvote Magnum because he answered the prod. Talks about double masons...I legit don't understand this post.
Acohrs comments to themselves or maybe Tim still--I don't know what is happening.
CzarTim says Natiko is a bad mason because he voted. Still think it is fine if Acohrs leaves a vote on Magnum.
Acohrs claims Magnum has participated more than 2 other (???) and has never been around D1 in mafia before.
Splinter posts. Thinks Ty posts on Sophia vague. Doesn't like how I've treated the Bronx pressure. Nin read on Bronx -- doesn't agree with. Nothing out of the ordinary from anyone else. Although Acohrs makes splinter uneasy.
Fran comments to Acohrs that Magnum participated but said nothing. It fond of Acohrs new-found willing to unvote.
Splinter wants to know if in the previous game if CCS was town and Acohrs was scum.
CzarTim confirms Splinter’s question.
Cabot comment to Acohrs and understands as much as I do.
Acohrs unvotes Magnum and doesn't agree with Fran's argument to leave the vote on.
CzarTim brings up that Pop is also voting for Soph. Wants Fran to commit to a vote.
Cabot tells Ynnek to shut up.
Cabot is worried about CCS.
Fran has nothing and doesn't want to commit to a vote yet. Doesn't understand the Bronx push.
Cabot says the chances of an experienced Gafia player not on the scum team is very low. Doesn't like the Bronx push either.
CzarTim says that it is fine if Fran doesn't have a vote but it town leaning him and wanted to know where he was at. Also doesn't like the Bronx push.
CzarTim then wonders why everyone is calling it a push.
Cabot says it is because people--me and nin and Sorian--reacted to it.
CzarTim says to Cabot that Nin was open and Ty and Me defended Bronx.
Cabot says that defending him is an interesting reaction.
Fran says that he problem with Acohrs is that the vote wasn't a prod. And that he wouldn't unvote so fast.

Fran I’m feeling better about. CCS and Acohrs are acting very strange. Acohrs goes completely on the rails and I can’t not follow what is going on. Cabot also has me worried. I’m not familiar enough with Tim to comment on him.

 

[Sophia]

That doesn't look that long to me. Maybe I'm spoiled after sharing a mason chat with Sophia

Sophia, I'm trying my best here.

Fiiiine, I'll cut you some slack. The notes are pretty good tho.

Also you spoke too soon, Ty. XD

 

[Ty4on]

Yeah, that's more like it

 

[Ty4on]

Since you're both here, melon and Sophia, what do you think of the other one?

 

[Sophia]

Since you're both here, melon and Sophia, what do you think of the other one?

Her note taking skills are terrible. I want to lynch her for that.

Spoiler

I didn't really have a read on her. She's neutral, but I'll go back and read her posts now.

 

[Ty4on]

Her note taking skills are terrible. I want to lynch her for that.

Spoiler

I didn't really have a read on her. She's neutral, but I'll go back and read her posts now.

Do you know why you don't?

 

[melonrabbit]

Sophia is among my town reads. Along with Fran, at this stage of the game.

 

[Sophia]

Do you know why you don't?

Looking back over, she had a lot of early game fluff and not much substance. Getting past the fluff, she argued that Bronx seemed like an easy target to myslynch. That makes me wonder if she knew his alignment already, but I can't imagine scum would be that blatant. There's some prodding and questions, the vast majority of it seems to go nowhere.

Her posts now have something more to go off on, mainly because her notes have a conclusion attached to them. That being said, they're lacking in major hard stances.

So I don't know what to think.

 

[melonrabbit]

Page 9:
Nin responds to CzarTim on the Bronx's issue. Understands why Sorian was "eager to push" and then he, Nin, talked with Sorian and has moved on (went to sleep)
Acohrs asks if Magnum really posted before his prod
Fran confirms this.
Acohrs realizes he messed up and that it much ado nothing
Cabot gives up a Bugs Bunny image. I believe he is calling Acohrs a jackass need confirmation.
Acohrs says sorry to Magnum for prodding incorrectly.
CzarTim again brings up Magnum and wants to know what he thinks of Sophia.
AB talk about his raid night. Will catch up.
Acohrs moves swifts from his mistake and shifts prod votes Kawl, wanting to know his general thoughts.
CCS has vaguely scummy feelings about Sophia and vaguely town feeling on Bronx -- in response to Cabot
Nin correctly CCS that only Sorian ever pushed for Bronx lynch
I mistakenly think Acohrs comment about Magnum is about me. Also response to Cabot's criticism of my defense on Bronx. Emphasize Bronx focus on self-preservation is consistent with past games. I also ask Sophia for her reasoning on her Sorian vote.
Fran correct my for mentioned Acohrs mistake
And Acohrs confirms he meant Magnum and not me.
I apologize
And Nin quotes my apology and wishes me good morning.
I then ask Nin his thoughts on the game
Cabot doesn't like Acohrs sheeping his prod
They have a weird back and forth and finally Cabot asks me if anyone is bothering me.
I respond with my disappoint in Splinter's low activity, Ynnek one post of nothing and wanting to hear more from Sophia in general. Don't like Sorian and Acohrs seems fun.
AB catch up follow-up a little on the Bronx non-push and ask if Cabot meant Sophia instead of Sorian. A lot of nothing.
Bronx asks if Kawl the last one to post
Ynnek comes back -- doesn't think Bronx is a scared normally either. And no opinion on anyone else. Comment how chatty the game is.
Natiko unvotes Acohrs since Acohrs shifted votes. Doesn't like that Kawl isn't around and has no one else to vote for at the moment
Sophia is still reading, not awake.
Bronx says it isn't odd for Kawl not to be around. Reemphasizes how big the personalities are in this game and then an absence (Kawl's) is just more notable than usual. Gives Kawl until 6
Sophia says hello to Splinter and shows me her reason/post on the Sorian vote.
Acohrs talks about Pop queens....in respond to Natiko unvoting on them. Wants a policy for lynch. Should we lynch inactive etc.
CzarTim calls Acohrs out on this line of thinking as it is Day one of D1. Wants Acohrs to picks someone they're suspicious of, pressure them and see how they reaction as that would be more helpful to the game.
Nin also doesn't like Acohrs's suggestion and doesn't want to lynch the inactives for now.
Natiko likewise agrees and says they is plenty of time for the inactive list to shuffle around. Seems a premature suggestion.
Acohrs post more sad dog pics.
Sophia has an unsettling feeling on Acohrs (may be joking)
Kyan reads Ynnek's second post (of all the posts) and says this is the exact post he'd make as scum. "woe is me" etc.
Kyan then says Ty is posting less and he most have a good role.
Acohrs claims little experience and that is the reason he may say the wrong thing sometimes.
Kyan responds to the pages ago discussion by Natiko, Fran and Sorian if he, Kyan, was sowing confusion with his partner claim. Says No Fun Allowed.
Bronx -- fun? in mafia? in 2017???
Kyan also hates fun, will remove it
CCS is caught and struggling to come up with anything. Notes everyone but Kawl has posted.
Kyan mentions that Cabot is silly for doubting him/his ability.
Fran wants Kyan to do something and share some insights.
Acohrs wants to comment on the fun discussion with a Kate Beaton pic, so melon approves this once.
Kyan says Acohrs is all over the place. Not getting good vibes.
Kyan says to Fran directly that "you are reading the insights"
Sophia agrees that Acohrs is bouncing back and forth between IDGAF and helpful townie.

Page 10:
I worry about agreeing with Kyan on Acohrs
CCS says that Acohrs is acting similar to Pop Game and notes that he was scum there.
Sorian puts a vote on Acohrs (misspelled), stresses that he hasn't moved on from Bronx but wants to know his opinion on others in the game.
Sorian ask remembers Pop, the player, in in this game.
Acohrs doesn't like the fact his name is misspelled.
Sorian correct this which shiny new vote, blames CCS for the misspelling
Bronx find me and Sophia town. Says we'd tunnel on him if we were scum, because it'd be easy to so.
Nin is back to questions, wants to know if Acohrs has anything to add about being called out.
Nin doesn't agree that Sophia or I would tunnel on Bronx if we were scum.
Bronx says there was a scum last game (I don't know which he's referring to, anyone??) that outright said their PM talked about a scum chat. So, in Bronx's opinion scum have made strange choices in the past.
Cabot responds to AB's annoyance about being called out for not posting. Cabot says he was just answering CCS question.
Sophia says she is insulted by Bronx's claims, as scum Sophia is much smarter.
Cabot is waiting for Kyan to prove him wrong. Wants to know what Sophia thinks of everyone who finds her suspicious.
AB says he meant to quote CCS and not Cabot.
Sorian doesn't like Bronx's town reads on me and Sophia. Emphasizes he's now looking at other people.
CzarTim wants to know if anyone else found it weird that "Sophia acknowledged someone who commented on my vote but not my actual vote" also disagrees with Bronx town read of me and Sophia and says it could be for brownie pints.
Sophia doesn't have any in particular to say about those that find her suspicious, as she'd get nowhere. Slightly gut reads Ty as town.
Bronx tells Sorian to calm down and that I and Sophia as town are his only reads right now.
Acohrs responds to Nin and agrees that they would think the same as Sophia or Kyan. Says that going back and forth between the two extremes is how they want to play the game.
I now worry about Bronx town reading me.
Kawl finally posts, makes idle conversation - would vote Sorian or Sophia, fuck Cabot and Bronx is a non-issue and puts a vote on Cabot.
Sorian doesn't like this and wants Sorian to show his work.
Acohrs comments on CCS misspelling of his name and later again with Kawl
Natiko says that pointing out typos doesn't nada.
Kawl says sorry. Memorizing the name.
Kawl doesn't give a shit about his vote on Cabot.
Sophia puts a vote on Kawl, asking if he's fine with either Sorian or herself because he knows they're town.
Bronx says he is going back and forth on Sorian now. Doesn't think he's scum. Sorian reminds him of Ouro's town play.
Splinter wants to know why Sophia has a slight gut read of town on Ty.
Sophia because Ty isn't all over the place and as town, tends to picks at stuff and examine it. Stresses it is an early gut read.
Kawl says he is fine with it because he's vote however until end of day.
Splinter says that Fran's post on Acohrs unvoting or not looks opportunistic to Splinter. Fran jumps on Tim's question.
Splinter wants examples of Town! Ty
Splinters laughs at Bronx's town read on me and Sophia
Acohrs -- to Bronx's comments on scum being lurkers -- claims little experience but says that Saw was scum and highly vocal in Pop.
Bronx says that's a good point.
Sophia highlights a few example where Ty questioned what people had said.
Fran responds to Splinter's claims of him being opportunistic. Saying that the unvote wasn't the problem, rather it was the justification. The reasoning sounded wrong.
Fran asks if the voting is wrong and Kawl should have three votes
Bronx unvotes on me
CCS returns. Asks "Does anyone with more experience of the other players have any more meta points about how people are playing?"
MVP BALGAJO finds the thread and is very confused. Best moment so far.
Sorian claims that Kawl failed to answer his question. Wants Kawl to justify it.
Sorian continues this argument with Kawl.
Acohrs wants to knows which spelling for voting, which Sawneeks addresses, so we move on... Acohrs unvotes on Kawl
Kawl double down and disagrees with Sorian's disagreement. And says that Sorian can treat it as if Kawl has yet to vote.